Originally posted by Naku Penda Piya: I don't make Sambusa. Can't stand the deep fried odor it leaves behind. Absolutely dreadful. My place just smells like the perfume i'm wearing, or the candles i'm burning usually. No bur-bur & saliid saliid for me. I break it with bowl of oatmeal, orange juice, and spaghetti for dinner. Simple! Why don't you admit that you can't make a single sanbuus? Markaas ayaa flagrance iyo aroma ku marsiyoonee. I can ship you some from Curuba, though.

Samaal have similar cultural traditions and dialects that are mutually intelligible as opposed to the Sab should give you the clue. Ii sheeg, what are "similar cultural traditions" they differ from other clans groups than afka, which isn't that much indistinguishable either because af Banaadiri and afka loogu hadlo Shabeellada Dhexe is much more closer to Maay than "common" Soomaali. Oh, yeah, they are beeraleey, but half of them are geeljire too. Oh, yeah, they are 'sedentary.' Aren't other plenty clans sendentary as well? Sab and Samaale do not decide descents, its division is reminiscent of the American classification of white collar workers as opposed to blue collars. Horta, I don't believe Sab and Samaale thing. Quite frankly, most educated Soomaalis do not either. (The "Sab" label, by the way, I mean the clans that are said to belong this group, they don't believe such thing of their 'father figure' being Sab. They have their own ideas where they originated from, which I don't agree either.) It started a pure myth created by largely Orientalists of such days. And let's say if (and it is a very big if) I believed for a moment, what exactly does your analogy mean of 'blue collar' and 'white collar'--what does this comparison has to do with Sab and Samaale? Oh, one is elite? Oh, I see. Which one? There is another thing. Those you consider to be in "Sab" group, there are some clans who call themselves right after their clan names Samaale. They call themselves Hebel Samaale. What about those? Oh, those were "originally" from Samaale figure clan familias and joined the Sab, is that what you would think? Then that explains my grouping of alliance, which isn't confined to one clan. As for as I understand, there is only one Somali clan-family that grouped together and formed an alliance. That is the large clan-family of Bay and Bakool. That is what you think. Exactly. Most clans are truly by-product of federation. It is there, but most qabiil-worshippers are emotional when it comes to this and can't face it what they were imbibed to believe all those years are not only myth, but downright fairy. It isn't something as easy, I know, and only those who completely liberated the clan shirt themselves from can completely look down and understand it. A lot did, and a lot are coming to discover this nonsense. That is the large clan-family of Bay and Bakool. I hate to engage into qabiil trivia, even if we avoid naming them because we are using regions which is the same. One misconception some Soomaalis have is that the "clan-family" only live in Baay and Bakool. They aren't. They live half of Gedo, most of Shabeellada Hoose, a significant part of Jubbooyinka. Since it is a two part of family clan, only one section dominates Baay, Bakool and parts of Gedo, while the other never set a foot in this sections. The other, in fact, live in Shabeellada Hoose and Jubbooyinka. Together, they dominate towns as widely varied as Baraawe to Baardheere to Saakoow to Ceelbarde to Daafeed. There is a good reason behind why Afgooye town right next to Xamar is called af-gooye. I let you figure it out, and I am sure Afgooye isn't part of Baay and Bakool, is it? Irir has roots in early colonial-era Somali administrative history. Some people believed that one clan was in too much control of state apparat. Irir was proposed and advanced by a select group of known men (even some quite famous ones!), though I won't name names, to make political grap for power. It was ment to pitch All vs. One. Same like the Sab and Samaale. It is less subtle, but it is there still. Those never existed, and is as myth as that political Irir grouping. The only difference is Irir is a recent historical alliance, whereas others are said to be centuries old. PS, hada kahor waxaa tiri Shariifka is from "traditionally less-powerful clan, has broken clan taboos associated with the usual order of things." Shib baa lagaa yiri. Hadana another time waxaa tiri those same clans that reside much of South are, I quote, "inaysan Soomaali asal aheyn oo ay yahiin dad Soomaalized laga dhigay waagii Oromada dhulka laga kacinayay." Again shib ayaa lagaa yiri. Wali marka waa socotaa miyaa? Shib miyaa la iska ahaanaa? I had a hope that our brother wuu kala baran doonaa Soomaalida, and I still do, laakiin mar mar in lagu tusiyo dhabta ma xumo. (Af Maxaa Tiri heavily borrows from af Maay, including all those clan names. How can they "Soomaalinized" if Maay words are words themselves that are named most qabiil names that no longer exist in af Maxaa tiri? All those obscure qabiil some Soomaalis use are found still in af Maay. How is this possible? I, however, brother, thought you knew all this.) __________________ Caaqil/Viking: That was waxaan ka hadlaayi exactly. Qabiil is mostly based hearsays. If we only had many more who are enlightened about this, our country wouldn't have been in this dire situation.

Originally posted by Raqid: BTW what does Madhibaan itself mean? Seriously, even Somalis do not have one definition for them. I thought the name is self-explanatory. Ma dhibaan [those who bother no body], ma fahantay? It is fitting and appropriate.

Salaan... Introduced by Arab Sheikhs sometime around three hundred years after the birth of Islam in Arabia, groups of Somalis in a locality formed a confederacy to a particular sheikh who taught them Islam. They became his “Xer†commonly referred to as the “Xertii Sheekh Hebel†– The Religious Confederacy of Sheikh so and so. Given enough time, such confederacies developed into full blown tribes with their line of paternal ancestry adjusted to go back to the Sheikh himself and instead of "xerti Sheekh Hebel" it became “reer Hebelâ€. There is a simple prove for this: The average line of ancestry (abtiris) is 20 grandfathers to the Sheikh One idea we Soomaalis equally fail--or deliberately trying to subdue--to fathom is that all those large clans we find ourselves in today were never from one father figure, and thus they formed a united alliance in the last 700 years to combat other likewise amalgamating and emerging grand coalitions. It finally rested on four or five grand federated clans. Since then Soomaalis came up with fanciful and very mythical "father figures" that they descended from, which, to this day, can't be minimally comprehensible. Those nonsensical offshoots like Sab, Irir, Samaale, etc, are only something bordering a child's fairy tales, not what sensible people today would buy. Clans were/are political "alliance," whose destiny to survive was to form that alliance otherwise they would have been wiped from the face of competing "alliance" tribes, as it happened to some. Also we see today some of what I mentioned above finely in process. Those clans who opted out not to belong to a central, federated grand clan--we know what is happening to some of them. They were/are persecuted and harassed, called names and are mythogolized to descent from some God-knows-only people. There was a famous clan that today few Soomaalis can attest to hear it, but were powerful in their time. So powerful in fact they ruled a junk of what is Soomaaliya now and almost united the country, and are now almost are unheard of, save some few existing in there and here only by name. Today, we've some clans who are part-time within the "alliance" official clan, but sometimes bluntly opting out from the "alliance" when it doesn't help or suit their political ambitions. It almost happened at shirkii Carta, and again happened in shirkii Kenya. These clans, whom I don't want to indulge, can tell us a lot about how formed "alliance" worked and still working. It is in the interest of survival of fittest mentality that brought them together in order to survive in a harsh competing land populated by other large, similarly federated groups (clans) that with no indication try to invade their supposed territories. If we really look closer and investigate the history of these so-called large clans living today, we will know and won't be as obsessed to clans as we are now. I know it may come unexpected shock at first to some clan-worshippers, however, the reality is only the immediate clan members of your respective clans are family related, beyond that is jungle and unreliable.

Originally posted by Naku Penda Piya: quote: Markee the whole family iska soo hor fariistaan, oo miinshaarida, qaxwada, malawaxa, sanbuus, burka, isbarmuutada barafka wadato, shaahii dhabta ahaa. Kaas ayaa soon ahaa, runtii, inta kale been. LOL Miinshaar - ida. When exactly is Ramadan? the 4th, 5th? Miinshaar jirin ayaa raacay. Yac! Adigaa na bartay carab gajanimada. Kac! Maxaa la dhihi jiray? Mushaari? Mishaari? Aniga 'miinshaari aa dhahaa, awal kas aan u dhihi jiray hada waa ila tagtay oo ereygii saxda ayaaba ilooway. Goormaa cabana igu danbeysay, I mean the real mishaari. Ducaqabe, haa duqa. Inta teeda kalena baahi iyo oon maku qabanaayo. I mean, as long as soon happens to be in fall and winter months, marka dareenkii waaba kasii tagee. Maalintii igu horeysay aan soomo waxaan xasuustaa oon ayaa si xoog badan ii qabtay. Masaajidka aa ku jiray, oo dadka masaajidka ee jiifi jireen. Waa is celin waaye. Biyaa madaxa iskaga shubay. Konton jeer ayaan weyseystay. Kaali oonka iga bixi. Finally, gurigaa u orday and it was around 4 p.m., almost afur time, alas hooyadeey oo qeylineyso oo abaal aan kuu marinaa dhaheyso ayaa tubada u dhigtay afka. Xaax. Waligeey ma iloowaayi.

Adiga yaa kuu diiday inaad u duceysid? Come, ila duceyso: Eeboow Soomaali nabad, barwaaqo, bash bash iyo barbaar ka dhig. Aamiin dheh. And welkam to the site.

Salaan... After the exception of Soomaaliya, it would be Svizzera. There is something about this country, which had never been to war, what, 200 years or so, I guess. It pratically gave the middle finger to all: UN, NATO, EU, Warsaw Pact, World Bank, IMF, etc. And of course Swiss banks, Swatch, perfect chocolates, the birth place of Red Crescent, etc. Geneva, here I am!

Salaan... Reer Mudug aren't all that bad, and sweeping statement regarding them would be injustice, if not prejudicial. I believe Marxuum C/rashiid Cali Sharmaarke hailed from that region, and, quite frankly, as a family friend he was to my old man, for what I gathered, he had had a trait very few Soomaali "politicians" can even dream about, let alone possess.

No body __________________ Simple minds seeing simple things. But I don't know whether we are more simpler-minded than they are since they have a point--we, unfortunately, put ourselves in this snake pit, and still have to find and learn a way out.

Gentlemen, hala iska kala roonaado and hala isku xishoodo, baliis. Calling one another 'dhoocil' iyo wixii lamid ah is out of character, unnecessary, and it therefore degrades the intregrity of this site we all enjoy. For further reference, it won't be tolerated.

Sareeye Guute, I thought Guddoomiyaha Baarlamaanka Shariif Xasan Sheekh Aadan was in Ontario, too; I thought that a full warbixin ayaa naga soo gaarsiin lahayd, since you cared about Dowlada and its vital existence to us. See camal, saan fair ma'aha nooh. Sareeye Guute, ileen waxaan aa socday aa diideysay. Micno maleh, dowladii ee ku wada jiraan ee ku faraxsanoow, see waaye. Laakiin ha nixin.

Originally posted by Naku Penda Piya: Yonis: Xaat la calaacalaydaa? Inaay Bishaaro, shimee carab gajo noqotayna? Yaaya, muhu mihii ma'aha.

Ilaahayoow, adigaa waaxid eh. Hadee qabqabliyaasha saan ku noolaan lahayeen maxaa ku faraxsanaan lahaa. Nasiibxumo dadkii Soomaaliya usoo halgamay, oo wax walba u huray maanta qashin qub haku qaraabtaan. Eeboow, adigaa caadil eh, ummadaada dhibaateysan u gargaar. Yaa ogaada wadamada qaarkood ereyga "veteran" qof markii lagu sheego markee maqlaan waa u istaagaan qofkaas, xishmad heerkaas ee ugu qabaan dad wadankooda usoo halgamay, anagana we treat ours like this. Yaa Rabiyoow Raxmaan!

Salaan saaxiib. Runtii xasuus weyn waaye, qaas ahaan marxab, marxab yaa ramadaan iyo soorta la cunaayo, hadee subag tahay, sax.... Maxaa heesahaas (are they heeso horta?) socdo banaanka naloo bixiye oo nala dhahay ma soomadiin socda banaanka aada, banaankii oo cidlo eh oo qofna socon kushineeto iyo garaangar ku wad wadno wixii ciyaal baxa lasoo wada dhahay dadka ha dhibina. Soon walaahi wadankaaga uu sharaf ku lee yahay. Markee the whole family iska soo hor fariistaan, oo miinshaarida, qaxwada, malawaxa, sanbuus, burka, isbarmuutada barafka wadato, shaahii dhabta ahaa. Kaas ayaa soon ahaa, runtii, inta kale been. Marka afurka dhamaadana banaanka loo soo wada bixi jiray, magaalo markaas shidnaan jirtay. Biibitooyinka lasoo wada fariisan jiray, kii dublad ciyaaraayo ha ciyaaro, kii turub ciyaaraayo ha ciyaaro, kii taraawiix aadaayo ha aado. Xaraarad iga dheh. Hadana mala sugi karin maalinta ciida, shaati cusub, surwaal cusub, kaba cusub, balaayo oo dhan cusub carwada Iidka laga soo gaday. Shilimaanta qaraabada bixiyaan laga dhargaayo. Waayo waayo, walaahi.

Tanoo kalena waa inoo dhimaneed. R a'iisul wasaare Geeddi wuu tukadaa Kheyr ALLAHA siiyee, Laakiin madaxweyne C/llaahi Yuusuf in uusan tukan baan maqlay, qof aanan tukan haddii lagu daba feylana waa qasaaro." Yuusuf Indhacadde _________________ Laakiin qofkii tukado, oo soomo, oo xajka aado oo waxaas oo dhan ku nool wax iyo dhul dadka rayidka eh xoogooda ku shaqeysteen laga soo xoogay, oo "canshuur" iyo wax kale loogu magac daray, marka amee diintaas mid kale tahay. Ha tukado mise yuu tukan (none of our business, waa mid ee reer seef labood hilmaamaan), C/llaahi Yuusuf, as power hungry as he is, at least, doesn't bother and occupy at whim an unarmed, peaceful native locals dhulkooda loogu yimid.

Salaan... In an ideal world, yes. In anarchic world of Soomaalis, no. Shariifka doesn't know exactly what his job requires and demands, just as C/llaahi Yuusuf Axmed and Max'ed Cali Geedi don't. Some xildhaabo don't even realize whether we have a presidential form of government as opposed to parliamentary government or semi-presidential government or semi-constitutional monarchy.

Madaxweynihii ugu horeeyey Jamhuuriyada Soomaaliya Aadan Cabdulle Cusmaan (Aadan Cadde) wuxuu ka mid ahaa Madaxweynayaashii soo marey Qaaradan Afrika kuwaada si weyn loo qadariyo, waxaana lagu xusuustaa Aadan Cadde sidii shariifka aheyd ee uu dagey Kursiga, iyadoo loo aqoonsadey Madaxweynihii ugu horeeyey ee Afrikaan ah oo si Dimuqraadi ah uga dega xilika Madaxweynenimada. If Soomaaliya can produce Aadan Cadde regardless of which era, I still have faith in our nation and people, particularly in a trying age of despair and hopelessness that is so palpable today. Eebe ha caafiyo our nation's father, Aadan Cadde. The only Soomaali siyaasi no body, ever, I heard say anything negative against how he ruled our nation for a seven formidable years. That itself says something about his personality.

Salaan... Wiilka, err Wiilo, haye soo noqosho wacan. Mac macaankii ( ) makuu dhamaaday? Todobaadkii ma laga soo neefsaday? It's wonderful life to be in walaahi. Ka baxa single life-ka. Laakiin manoo sheegi kartaa guurnimo maxee 'wonderful life' ku tahay, ka ahayn "mac macaanka" aan soo sheegay, waana mid saas u loogu bogi doonin, oo xiisihiisaba waa maalmo. Haduu guur balaayadaas 'wonderful life' ahaan lahaa, singal maadar iyo heblaayo/hebel ayaa la furay ma maqli lahayn. Heestaan Hobollada Sheego soo saartay ma maqashay, oo inta ee heesta bilaaban laba Caasho aa sheekeysanaayo, hadalkaan aa dhexmaray: Muxubo: Haye, Maano. Maano: Haa, Muxubo. Muxubo: War aan ku siiyo. Maano: Maxaa heysaana? Muxubo: Macalinka maanta maradiis banaanka u dhigay, moosna waa ku taraaraxay maka heshay maahinoo? Maano: Macbuudkoo!! Muxubo: Walaahiiii!!

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^ When I get a eaction like that. It makes my job worth while. At least Somalilandesr are getting to know exotic locations like Jowhar, Xuddur, Balcad names like, Geedi, Qaynyare, Jurrile, Mayow Tasiyow, Cade Gabowe. While keeping an eye on the progress of familiar folks like, Suudi Yallaxow, Morgan, Presidnet Yusuf YEY... I see it more like educating rather than propoganda alone.. I agree.

I was reading the Toronto Star as usual the other day when, on their opinion page, I came across this piece. The very first and second paragraphs had these sentences: A friend of mine spent six months as a student teacher last year at a Toronto inner-city school. The student population in the school, from Junior Kindergarten through to Grade 8, is predominantly black. One of the first pieces of advice her host teacher shared with my friend was not to waste too much time on the Jamaican kids because they'd never amount to anything and most would likely end up in jail anyways. As for the Somali students, she was told, it was likely "inbreeding" that accounted for their "total lack of intelligence." This immediately revolted and dismayed me unexpectedly. I never in my entire life heard that Soomaalis inbred that much or that we "lacked intelligence." I immediately scrolled down to see if the author, who was Jamaican, had an email and try to inquire further, even though she didn't exactly harboured those thoughts since she was only trying to quote a friend who was a supply teacher in a new school when another teacher confided her to those racist thoughts. The rest of article doesn't regard Soomaalis specifically, for it advocates black-only schools in Ontario.

Salaan... Kikikikiki. Jecliyaa!! (Tuujiye ereygiis). Kii quuq keeno, fuustada ku quful. Kii quf keeno, barmiilka ku qataar. Kii wir keeno, baafka ku dabool. Kii kir keeno, tanaka u dhig. Kii baryo keeno, hoo budka. Kii aboo-aboo lasoo shirtago, hoo shaaftada. Hoo sabaaxada. Caro maanyo sii. Ka cabso kaaba laadarka Salaamasee. Ka cabso taraafikada firimbiga loo dhiibay. Jecliyaa!!! No more maskiin nor macruuf nor akhiyaar nor shariifnimo. Officially taking the title, not name, Jinoole-aw-Jacburis, nom de guerre Xaaji-Xuux-XaaX. Intaas introduction ee ahayd oo booto ka buuxdo, of course. Waa mahadsantihiin akhiyaarta dhamaan. Laakiin seriously Soomaali kii dhexdhexaadiyo eediis ma yaro.

Originally posted by Gediid: quote:Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: I assume you are not familiar with Soomaali culture. Most Soomaalis do not go to club and those few who do won't flaunt it, especially on here, dear. Welkam to the forum. Do u honestly want us to blv that you have never seen the inside of a club back in your day,swayed your hips to Kool n the Gangs Tonite,held hands under the moon with the sound of Joanna blaring from you old 124,scrippled the lyrics of shes fresh on ur womans notebook...Come on odey I'm sure you have had ur day in the sun,let the young sister have hers...... Hey If it was upto me I would not only point her in the rite direction but I would show her where its popping... Of course, back in the day at Curuba and swinging with Shimaali's songs, I don't consider those to be "clubbing," mind you. Seriously, waraa, I wasn't even that geesi (ciyaal maamo birimo, sugunto, iyo teerso waliba) enough to venture past Dabka to the West and Suuqa Bakaaraha to the East. Those were my neighbourly boundaries as far as I could go, adigana club aan aadi jiray ayaaba i leedahay.

Salaan... Shyness (xishoodnimo) is one of the most underrated human traits. It is a personal virtue most people overlook. Being and having a moderate shyness in your character is a gift, and one should be thankful for that.

Salaan... The ridiculousness and ludicrousness of this world is getting more and more absurd and alarming. O slo's trendy Grünerløkka district has just opened the first oxygen bar in Norway, where patrons can relax and buy a session of exceptionally fresh air Pust (Breath) Oksygenbar" is the region's first, and serves up 92% pure oxygen, with or without added aromas. "People are just too stressed and they don't even take the time to breathe," said Pust co-founder Aleksander Herresthal. "Here they get the opportunity to relax and do nothing but breathe. The effect of 20 minutes of oxygen on people varies, but most feel refreshed and more energetic," Herrestal said Sii aqriso

Xuseen Maxamed Faarax Caydiid, waxaa dhalay Janankii sida weyn loo jeclaa ilaahay naxariistii janno ha siiyee, kursiga uu ka geeriyooday jananku waxaa dul qotomiyay Xuseen First paragraph waxaas ayaa ku qoran. Yep. "Janankii sida weyn loo jeclaa." Laakiin yaa jeclaa, ma bini aaden mise...? And what kursi uu ka tagay? Qofka waxaas qoray camal ayaa wali nagu dhex jiro. It makes me sick.