National conversation changing in Somaliland

[RedSea]

The euphoria will die down in the next couple of months and the reality will set in. I'm not any way denying that some people in Somaliland might 'consider' a change of heart, but it's too far up there to suggest masses or sub clans are suddenly ready to throw away everything they believed and built for two decades, because Muqdisho finally selected someone who is not of x warlord calibre.

 

There is much work to be done and much more sould searching, reconciling the differences of our people, before you start to see real wind of change start to take root in our respective regions. I, very much welcome any change so long as it's fair and gaurantees the rights of all somalis and not just Muqdisho.

[Carafaat]

Abtigiis, I was in Hargeysa myself a couple weeks ago and indeed the perception towards Somalia has changed from a couple years ago. But you forget to mention that this changing attitude is a direct related to the change taking in Somalia itself. Cause and effect. Action/Reaction.

 

This correlation is nothing new and was for also the case when Abdiqasim Salaad was elected(Wax Somaliland la dhaho ma jirto) or when Abdullahi Yusuf AUN TFG vieuwpoint was (Nimanka Hargeysa xaran ku heysta wan usoo soconaa). Only back then it was a negative corelation and vicious circle down, while now there is a positive corelation and I hope this vicious circle up continue.

 

Umada Somaliyeed wee isxu xirantahay. Ama gunta hoose aanu is la tagno, ama sara aanu isku dalacno.

[burahadeer]

is abtigiis & arafat the same?

[Taleexi]

Somalilanders' mps elected the right man to lead in the next four years. Governor Siilaanyo needs to convince his masses the result.

[Qaranki]

Anyone know the difference in votes the Somaliland and Somalia president got in their respective elections?

[Carafaat]

Taleexi;868538 wrote:

Somalilanders' mps elected the right man to lead in the next four years. Governor Siilaanyo needs to convince his masses the result.

Siilanyo was elected by the masses to work on development, creating jobs, infrastructure and raise the national wellbeing. And that is what he is doing. They dont need to be convinced by Siilanyo, he just needs to do the job they elected him for.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Mario B;868517 wrote:

The lady [Hilary] was loud and clear when she was in London,

"no break-up of Somalia

". Somalia is big enough for all the clans. Those peddling "

clan international borders

" and a

"President

" in every tuulo are just plain

mad!!

Hillary Clinton should worry more about whether obama selects here again as the foreign secretary of state or not.

 

The united states policy on Somalia and Somaliland hasn't changed a bit supporting the dual track approach for Somalia and Somaliland the support of clan federalism in Somalia. The Fight against islamist in Somalia,continue to support Somaliland democratization process and let Somaliland and Somalia clarify their own future relations.The West including the united states is very neutral on the case of Somaliland and Somalia.The united states well the bush administration clearly said that they will support Somaliland recognition if its done through the African union the Bush administration went even as far as saying that they should swift the power to Somaliland. Its not like kurdistan that is being hold hostage by a NATO member Turkey and a US ally in the region. Somaliland has the best case in Africa legally and it will take a political solution in the long term Neighboring IGAD countries are not clearly opposed to Somaliland statehood. But they only fear for their own territorial integrity Mobassa secession in Kenya and the O'gaden secession in Ethiopia.

 

Egypt has a new regime because of this new govt that took over Egypt they finally started to formulate a real foreign policy for the first time since Anwar al sadat.The Mubarak Govt allowed sudan to split they lost pretty much all their influance in Africa that the gamaal abdulnasir regime built in the 50s 60s to comete with the Israeli influance. The First visit of the Egyptian foreign minister was not to Washington or brussels but it was to sudan khartoum. Egypt wants its influance back in the region and in Africa and they want to focus on that.Former African union chairman Alpha Kunare was very pro Somaliland the case of Somaliland was raised at the african union a few times the Egyptians strongly opposed any discussion of Somaliland and they suqashed the efforts of alpha kunare to give SL a associate member status in the AU. He suggested that Somaliland should start talks with the TFG but at that time Somalia was a total mess there were Ethiopians icu muqawamo shabaab .But talks are now starting to take place so lets see how that goes i predict a very peaceful future of Somaliland and Somalia.

[burahadeer]

abtigiis...if you didn't hurt so much,fear so much,rage so much,you would be able to be fully alive.The hardest thing to hide is something that's not there...ONLF is obsolete,gone and greater somalia that will take your fight is history.

The possibility of anything works doesn't seem to be there....a rehash of what is been here before and a hope blended what the most insincere of words.

Typical divide and rule and a way forward to the deep hole you dug for yourself many times before.

Get excited about international community.Americans ,UN came & left,ethiopians came & left ...rest will follow.

[xiinfaniin]

^^ :D

 

Hillary baad u dardaar werinaysaa xaaji, maaha?

 

At least you and Ayoub have made clear that you will support the looming union if done right

[Tallaabo]

Mr Abtigiis ****** are only excited about the progress their brothers in Somalia are making but don't need to tell you where their bread and future lie; which is if you did not already know in their land and in their hands, Alle ka sokow.

[Mintid Farayar]

To quote my good friend, Oodweyne, the defeated lot rear their heads once again! Study the history of humanity around you - those who've fought for a certain political construct and won in overthrowing their oppressors do not give up said 'construct' easily.

 

As previously stated, Hargeisa and Mogadishu do not need any translators hailing from marginal corners to negotiate how to live side by side as two friendly entities.

[Alpha Blondy]

the words you are uttering are completely fabricated.

[xiinfaniin]

Macno Yare's clannish appeal misses the point...

[Mintid Farayar]

Somalis of the South are busy celebrating the successful transfer of positions between two presidents in very trying circumstances. Why is it that all posters attempting to bring up the complex issue of Somaliland/Somalia relations hail from those same marginal corners?? Is it because their only coin can be gained by pitting Hargeisa vs. Mogadishu? Is that the only way to gain relevance again after a losing hand attempting to gain the Presidency in Mogadishu? Makes one wonder...

[Carafaat]

Mintid Farayar;868596 wrote:

Somalis of the South are busy celebrating the successful transfer of positions between two presidents in very trying circumstances. Why is it that all posters attempting to bring up the complex issue of Somaliland/Somalia relations hail from those same

marginal

corners?? Is it because their only coin can be gained by pitting Hargeisa vs. Mogadishu? Is that the only way to gain relevance again after a losing hand attempting to gain the Presidency in Mogadishu? Makes one wonder...

True that.

 

But still we need to find a new corner for our brothers from Bari, the previous corner is to marginal.