Wadani. To see the insanity of Somali hatred and politics, one sometimes needs to forget other tribes. Just examine your own tribe, the hatred within them, the sense of supremacy of one sub-clan over another, the entitlement by some and supposed of inferiority of others The point is this thing goes deeper. And it's like with other tribes large or small. There's one thing I find interesting. A Somali person is most honest when you talk together one on one and as people iskuma ceeb qarino hence we are no mystery. The insults and hate that the larger blocks direct at each other exists within them.

P.s since we are crowning the most hated tribes, I find it insulting you didn't include Aidid's folks. hahaha

Warsamaale. Some of the most hateful people I know come from these two communities and their views of other Somalis the south in particular pushes the limits of decency.It is not the politics of other Somalis that they pick on but it's the people themselves. So to portray these people as victims is to absolve of them of the role in this debacle that's of Somalis. They dish out as much as others do. Others pick more on their politics, these people mostly pick on others not for their politics but for tribal backgrounds or aspect of supposed behaviors. Just look comments on the Somali President, more often than not, it's not his actions that are being condemned or discussed, it's his tribal background that's automatically interjected into the discussion, this is followed by insults against his tribe which the admins seem to be tolerate these days, and this Hag and that Hag. And by the way, examine any Somali discussion forum including SOL, who is fanning the hatred, just look here, most of them individuals who preach hate claim to be from Somaliland and Puntland, I don't wanna name names but just look who posts most topics insulting others and promoting hate, and there are like in every forum.

warsamaale;955660 wrote: che, you statement is totally off point. How so?

Wadani;955549 wrote: In my years of perusing Somali news wbsites, forums and talking to nomads in real life it's clear that MJ's and SNMers are the two most hated clans. Is it a coincidence that they also happen to be the two most successful clans in almost every indiciator of development? Somalis have a serious issue with envy and xaasidnimo which we need to address before we can move forward. Right, the everyday person in the South struggling with life has time nad the energy indulge your sense of superiority hahaha

They are exercising their right.

Whatever his mistakes are, it's very important for those in Kismayo to realize undermining the SFG by reinforcing Kenya's position will diminish the chance to a peaceful resolution and not farther erode whatever is left of what our sovereignty.

Somalia's President Hassan Sheikh Mohamed addresses a news conference at the African Union Headquarters in Addis Ababa May 26, 2013. Monday, May 27, 2013 ADDIS ABABA (VOA) — Somali President Hassan Sheikh Mohamed has expressed concern about Kenyan peacekeepers in the Somali port city of Kismayo, as the government seeks to regain control of the region. The Somali president addressed the issue at the African Union summit in Addis Ababa. Speaking on the sidelines of the summit Sunday, Hassan said his government is in discussions with the African Union after peacekeepers from Kenya allegedly declined to provide security for a group of ministers visiting Kismayo earlier this month. “For us we have no complaint against Kenya, but part of the AMISOM contingent on the ground have misbehaved and they operated outside their mandate," he said. Kenyan troops who helped to liberate Kismayo from al-Shabab militants last year have since integrated into the AU peacekeeping force known as AMISOM. Despite the grievance, Hassan said he has regional support for his government’s efforts to re-establish its authority in Somalia, as the country recovers from two decades of civil war. He praised the eastern African organization known as IGAD, which includes Kenya, for providing technical assistance in state-building initiatives. “IGAD has clearly indicated its role as a supportive to the Somali government, and we are very much satisfied with that position of IGAD," he said. In particular, the regional organization is trying to help the Somali government sort out a political crisis in the Jubaland region of Somalia, which includes the port city of Kismayo. Community leaders, militia groups and other stakeholders have independently arranged to create an independent state in the region, and selected former militia leader Ahmed Madobe, who worked closely with the Kenyan military, as the region's president. “There is a group in Kismayo who make unilateral decisions by their own, they are Somalis of course, they have views, we respect their views as they see it, but one thing that is very important in Somalia, today, there is only the federal Somali government, which is wholly owned by the Somali people," said Hassan. President Hassan also said that these groups in Somalia were getting “certain signals” and had been “wrongly lead” to believe they could establish their own state. Hassan said his government has a “very clear plan” for rebuilding the country by establishing interim administrations in the regions to clear the way for eventual statehood. He said the country’s first priority is to provide security, noting that while al-Shabab has been mostly defeated, there are still areas of the country under the group’s control. Source: VOA

^I thought your response was humorous yet true. I think Ace doesn't realize the only thing Somalis learn from Somaliland is the institutionalization of tribal homelands. We are now stuck with this land, that land and what have you.

Apophis;955074 wrote: ^ Good advice. Why single out J/L when actors in Hiiraan and above can do as they please. It's the most pressing issue with threat of conflict and all but the idea applies to all regions.

Realistically, a Government with no revenue base and which is dependent on foreign armies can not exert itself beyond its immediate environs. There has always one consistent failure in every administration that came through Mogadishu from Abdiqasim to Hasan admins and that's their inability to build a proper functioning administration in Benadir that has solid tax base which can support local competent security force and knowledgeable bureaucracy. While not ignoring its larger obligation, I think the Government should invest its meager resources in securing Xamar on its own terms. Such thing would require starting reconciliation process among local tribes that have fought in the city, a commitment from them is important, establishing a solid tax base by taxing telecoms, money transfers, properties and sales taxes of businesses, I do believe the Government can gather enough resources locally to establish a functioning government in Benadir with its own forces and healthy bureaucracy backed by the local tribes, civic organizations and the religious establishment. Every nation needs a strong center. This Government needs to establish that strong center. A success in Xamar can be replicated in every town. Now obviously, there's the problem of establishing Federal States. I think the Government should own the process first having the Parliament establish the legal and technical framework to engage those entities that claim to represent regions and wants to establish states. The Constitution as it stands now is subject to interpretation. This must be rectified and the legal and technical committees that solely deal with regions should be established. Using a Xamar as benchmark, the Government can make reconciliation the bedrock of Federal States, in other words the folks in Juba should have been made to understand a transparent and inclusive reconciliation is the starting a point of the process to build the state. I think it was a mistake by the Government to simply say we oppose Juba admin without tasking those controlling the region to setup a process and without presenting its own process. The Government knew Juba was coming yet did nothing to own the process. In short, build the center with Somali resources and forces (we will never be independent as long as Ugandans guarding Villa Somalia), complete the Constitution and engage the periphery by tasking them to prepare transparent, inclusive reconciliation overseen by the Government and in line with the Constitution, and let the Parliament take the lead on the technical and legal issues in regards to setting up Federal States, let the Government focus on establishing State Institutions (once Xamar has proper admin with local resources and force) and let the president be the guide to reconcile this troubled nation.

A genuine reconciliation! We have tried everything, tribal warfare, warlords, using external forces and religion. It's clear no will or can conquer the entire country and impose their will, the only option left is to sit down. We need to be realistic and not be lost in moments as many here on SOL.

It's train wreck with no happy ending however you look at it. All parties are at fault and from the looks, the so called Somali leaders in any region are not sincere. Two things will never work in the Somali world, the use of external forces to impose one's will onto other and the fact that you could hoodwink into anybody into anything. Sincere reconciliation is needed at every level.

^LOL

A bit late...

Safferz. It was great show. I thought stop watching after they were off to collage. It takes me back to my teens though.The only show whose last episode I remember was Seinfeld, something about their self indulgence and utter indifference, a show about nothing. lol@eccentric, waa kow

lol@Carlton Banks SP. I am surprised you remember the last episode.

I note this again this, Somalis had organized themselves into political parties before Somaliland. It's not matter if we can, it's matter if we should at the moment when the environment does not lend itself to such endeavor. I even say Puntland should stop flirting with this idea as the proper institutions are not in place and the mentality of the strong man remains potent. We need genuine reconciliation, a good selected leaders, and uninterrupted peace that could help us elevate poverty and ignorance. Any democratization process should be slow and methodical but it needs to be preceded by prolonged stability with robust economy and social development with the right men at the helm. And I hope secessionists understand citizens need jobs and social advancement. Democracy can't satisfy empty stomach and idle body. This will be the test for Somaliland.

Ace. See that's your problem, I didn't say I have exclusive right to anything, in fact you can refer yourself to as Somali but the fact remains Somalia is Somali and vice verse, that doesn't mean others are not. You want a political divorce to reshape Somali identity in order to validate your decision, not gonna happen mate. Maybe, next you will accuse Americans of misappropriating America from the Americas. The 100% thing would be true if you drop the phantom Arab Sheikh story that says you came to our shores many centuries ago and married a local gal:D

Safferz.I like when I deal with landers on one one in real life. They are calmer and much more honest, and funnier. And their views on Somaliland and its politics is far more in line with reality. There's one thing about all Somalis, iskuma ceeb qariyaan hence we are no mystery to each other! In fairness to Ace and others, nobody likes to be called Soomaalidiid.His attempt here is a way to neutralize that term:D I have seen Haabsade in video calling a someone from Khaatamu I think Somalilandiid, it didn't come out naturally, his first natural answer was Soomaalidiid lol. Ace. You have managed to hijack your own thread. Your attempt at preaching or was it boasting has failed miserably. Be nice and call us Somalis, so we can go on talking about what's wrong with Somalia:D

Ain't politics a b!tch dheh:) Is it an accident it's just a secessionist complaining this matter, yet to see a person from Jabouti, NFD and Somaligalbeed mourning about the interchangeability of the words Somali and Somalia.

People and the world perfectly understand one is talking Somalia when you hear the word Somali unless you want to share the honors of being Somali pirate, Somali warlord, Somali famine or Somali Government. I understand you are attempting to redefine Somali identity but you are going about it the wrong way, never tell someone else what to call themselves, t you can however exert them a little bit to call you what you want to be called, and as Somalis, we have been respectful enough to call Soomaleen or Somalilander. It's matter of common courtesy that doesn't need to be politicized. As for Somaliland, my views on it has been established, we will leave there since neither of us will be convinced otherwise.

To say my views on Somaliland is a smear campaign and your views on Somalia as valid doesn't set the stage for anything.If this will be your line of argument, than my friend you are nothing but hateful secessionist who would like to see the complete eradication of other Somalis, not helpful ain't? so let's be sane mate. As for the second thing, you can't dictate what people call themselves no more than I can dictate what you choose to call yourself. I am Somali and Somalia represents Somalis, if you have issue with that, that's fine but I will not be called Somalian just you could create new nationality and redefine Somali identity.

It seems your whole argument is to accommodate an agenda that you would like to see materialize, everything from following the 'Somaliland' example of politics,and up to redefining Somali nationality and ethnicity. If you want to call your self a Somalilander, by all means but I am Somali and Somalia is my country. As for politics, Somaliland is run by one family clan, a hardly model for diverse Southern Somalia with competing interests. Somalia needs to find its own system. Democracy might not be in the cards as of yet. Uneducated people with no sense civic responsibility and politics is a bad mix. We need to be realistic!

Maaddeey;954912 wrote: Is Madoobe any better, Che?. No. Classified why? You like Ethiopian lackey better than Kenyan one?