salaam oh my god what did i do to myself , og-girl i have been in this forum longer than most people and my posts are less than 200,so it is very strange that you would accuse me looking for attention just because i do not agree with you, and FYI bulo is female somali name,i do not like name calling and accusations, if you have something to say about him then do so without making this personal. and again i'm telling that i'm not attacking him, he is not normal person like me and you but a public figure, it is the right of every somali to talk about him. Originally posted by Che-Guevara: The sayyid certainly did lot of mistakes by killing and antoganozing the very people who he was trying to free. Perhaps, there are times who should have communicate to his ppl not through the sword, but through his feelings. The man yearned and fought for free and independent united Somalia. It is for this many somalis admire for. this is what i want, all i'm trying to say is that do not try picture him as you(his fan) would like to see him but as he was, he had pros and cons. i'm not against him because his victims were my tribe or anything like that,i can honestly say that i'm able to think beyond the tribe thing, and because i'm somali does not mean everything i know come from my tribe, why is that whenever we(somali)say something has to be linked to the tribe!!!. but i believe honest history, and if we are talking public figure like him tell him as he was so people can learn from his mistakes. og-moti unless you are joking you know that somlia did not have written language untill 1972 and most of his victims were nomads, so they did not write their nightmare, but it survived through the years by telling their children, and their children,so on, i can prove that he killed entire villages, but the question is would you believe it? if someone tells you that he killed his/her grandparents, grand uncles/aunts and he(the sayid) knew all that cause they were captured and taken to his headquart would you believe it? are you ready to accept that your hero had women and childrens blood in his hand?,if not what will make you believe that he really killed innocent people that is if you are really trying to find the truth about him? i do not know that how would you justify that it is ok to destroy entire villages,to orphan kids, just because they did not agree with him!!.you keep saying jihad jihad... what if people saw him as dictator hiding behind the jihad, and they did not want to follow him is that automatically makes them kufar. and some of his poems and how describes certain woman's private parts because her father changed his mind about giving her to him for marriage, and calling her slut etc, i do not think that is what someone who knows religion let alone sheikh would say. i do not want to repeat myself but let's tell the whole story its good and bad, let's tell his achievements and also his victims, how many gaaloos he killed and and how many muslims and let the people decide whether he was a hero or criminal.

salaam first of all i'm not brother , to say that with out him we would not have independence is exagratation,cause he died 1921, and we remained under occupation another 40+years, the only reason he died broke was he was defeated, and died as refugee in IImeey.og-moti actually i read from his story from his supporter if you know aw-jama cumar ciise, you will know how much he loves and admire the sayid, and to say that his poets was fabricated is really amazing, because all poets that i quoted were written by his followers,and they are very well known. and for you to say that he did not kill children, i will not buy them, because i have seen the families whom he destroyed, i have seen whatever left from them, i will say again he killed women and kids , because as of today their great-grand nieces and nephwes still remember their names, and at that time they were less than 15 years,the only reason he killed them was that because their village did not join his organization.i started reading his history my 1st grade,and still read his poems, yeah i admire that he was talented, but also he was merciless leader the only difference between him and today's warlords is that they are not talented. i do not even want to talk about whatever he said from tribes , because that does not bother me, but i'm troubled that people will want to deny his well recorded crimes.he did recorded his crimes just read his poems you will see how he is saying he will go and kill all reer hebel, or burn reer hebel tuuladooda etc.that is if you can't find his victims' descendents.i actually did not read from his haters, only from his supporters, and i will not change my mind because i know for sure he was criminal, i just do not want call him more than that cause he is no longer with us to defend himself, but what can i say as long as you want to make him perfect human being i can not help but reveal his dark side.

salaam guys i hope you will accept the differences, you think he was great and i think he was closer to monster than a hero, or mujahid, my definition of innocent is someone who did not kill anyone like kids, and sayid muhamed killed kids, women and old people. he burned down a whole village, why are you guys denying that he killed kids, when he was arrogant enough to say that in his poets like this one one of his men, rejected his ideas and left him unfortunately that man left his little kids when the sayid found out what the man did he ordered his kids to be killed and said this "cabdulle shixriyoow arki maysid inamadaadiiye" it is long but i thin this sentence says what he is, i do not think that is action of mujahid or normal human being, here is another of his "gabanada cismaan dhalay gabana ha ka imaanina ......(he mantions a tribe) geel waxay lahaayeen gacmahiina ka buuxsada, waxay guunyo haystaan gunta iiga soo jara" are you guys saying that someone who knows anything about our religion will really order his army to rob, kill another village because they refused to follow him, do not say they refused the "jihad" because he spent most of his time killing somali rather than british,here is another one he was talking to his men and telling them what he wants them to do,"haruun gumaad baan lahaa gabdhna how reebin" here he is actually telling them to kill all the children of certain man, wow what a hero!!!. this is not about politics but i think that when og-moti started this topic he was not assuming that everyone will glorify his beloved sayid. if you guys really read honest history you will find out that he was criminal, but how rare it is to find honest history, even if you read his poets you can see that he was no mujahid or hero but the blood of his victims were dripping from his hands. i could not even write many of his poets because half of them he was bashing a tribe, and the other half he was encouraging two tribes to kill each other. who ever accused me bringing politics or attacking him, i will say to them i'm not attacking him but simply stating the facts, and this has nothing to do politics but only one man.but honestly i hope allah will forgive him as much as i hope Allah will forgive today's warlords who passed away.

salaam i do not want to be the one who brings the bad news, but if we talking about history, sayid mohamed was not that great, i agree he was the best poet that somali ever produced, but also he committed many crimes, killed thousand of innocent people in the name that they were kuffar, if you read his poets you can see that.

salaam rudy all the four imaams, all muslim scholars and from the prophet's time till now, no one ever doubted that the hijab is mandatory,people were always debating whether the niqab is sunna or fard, but not the hijab, nino_brownalready gave you a verse and here is another one [31] And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. bro scholars said that if someone drinks alcohol, or do not wear hijab they are still muslims, but if someone says that alcohol is halal or hijab is not mandatory then thay can be considered they are out of islam, because you can not believe half of the quran and reject the other half, that is what the jews wanted and it was rejected, so before you say this is wahabi or arab read the quran.

salaam i do not undestand here we were talking about islam what this has to do with saudi arabia, they are part of 1.2 billion muslims, and correct me we(somaali) are claiming to be muslims, and we are doing everything that is prohibited in islam such as killing, rape, looting you name it, why on eath are you rudy picking on saudi arabia?!!, saudi arabia is the birth place of islam home of the holly mosque yes, but that does not mean its citizens are representing everything that is islam. and yeah you have to have a visa because they have to regulate, with all these rules and still people are dying each year during the haj, so when they require the visa i think they are right because how else would they set the limit.so to talk about saudis and their mistakes are irrelevent to this topic because we are talking here about islam not saudis.and also to anyone who is muslim and get confused between the islam and tradition it is their fault because this is their religion they should learn it.we are really lucky to be muslims cause we could have born as christian or jew, budhist etc, so Praise be to Allaah Who has guided us to Islam, for we would not have been guided had He not guided us.

salaam well i think that hijab is not matter of choice,but it is mandotary to all muslim women,i say it is not matter of choice because this verse in ahzab[36] "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, to have any option about their decision: if anyone disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path". and rudy hijab has nothing to do with arab, Allah ordered all women from the time of the prophet till the end of this world to cover.

madax muuqda iyo mindi saawira midna lagama quusto lama madaxleba kala tag

salaam og-girl well i know arabs more than you think i do, so i do not have to ask, because i've been there, and i'm not saying all of them,as the case is with all non-white people(including somali), they too think the lighter the better, but that is not the case, i would really love to know why would you call black person abd, and not white person, or red, if there is no meaning behind the name and if there is meaning behind the name what is it?!!!

salaam og-girl if i were you sis i would not call anyone being black or not cabd, because that is very insulting, i have never seen any arab using that word, all my life i thought arabs using that word only existed in our(somali) imagination, until i have seen your post.and if its arab culture then because of their ignorance they connect being black and being slave, i do not mind people calling black because that is my color, and i do not see anything wrong with my color, why do you think calling someone cabd is better than calling them black?!, i would really love how would they react when white people call them "sand-nigger" etc i know arabs(not all of them) are racist, but i have never thought they are still living in stone age. i do not use that word

Originally posted by Paltalk: TO: OG_Moti I don't believe that Israel is colonzing Palestine.But I do believe that there are land disputes. lol then you need to educate yourself before you start writting, cause obviously you do not know nothing about history or the root of this conflict, you only know what they told you. Jewihs people have the right to live peacefuly in Israel. No matter where they immigrate from.they have the right to return to where they belong. . who said they belong there, or you believe that like them this is their promised land, if they are claiming that they were there 2000 years ago, then everyone has to go back where they lived 2000 years ago, let americans give back america to Indians, Australia and newzealand to obrigins,and even then palestinians will have the right to live there see that is not logic. and while you give them the right to cliam a land that their ancestors left god knows when, you do not give the same right to the 3 million palestinians who are forced out of their houses. and were forced to live as refugees. also you said that "isreali army has a right to deal heavy handed those who are responsible" so why the palestinians has no right to deal heavy handed those who are responsible for demolishing their houses, killing their children, taking their lands etc. Do you know that a great number of palestinian women die in check points while giving births. so palestinian has to accept all these and not talk about it. ask yourself if you were palestinian would you accept it.

salaam paltalk who gave them the right to settle, who gave them the right to demolish someone's house, who gave them the right migrate from russia, poland,germany, france etc, and settle there, do you know that 3 million palestiniand are not allwed to come back to their homes while someone from those countries can come any minute,you call them innocent. isn't so funny, that the whole world cries when one isreali dies, but do not pay any attention when thousand of palestinians are being murdered, stop listening to CNN and fox, get your information straight do not beleive whatever you are told some people can be really ignorant, you call palestinians terrorist i wonder what you call sharon. and isrelian army?!!!

salaam guys it simply haraam. we have two eids, and Allah gave parents their rights before these gaalo invent their one day,and the prophet talked about parents rights they invented so that they can get away from their responsibilties, they leave their parents and never ask about them till that day and then they buy it a gift.parents love more their children to be around them than giving gifts, cause no matter how much you spend on precious gift, it will be useless unless you were kind and obedient to your parents all the time. if you want to know what the scholars say about it you can find it here http://63.175.194.25/topics/mother/mother_eng.shtml from www.islam-qa.com.

salaam no i do not celebrate father's day, i give gifts to my father or mother whenever i'm able to do it. we should be giving gifts and everything to our parents 365 days, why do we have to limit ourselves only one day sure they deserve from us to remember them more than one day in a year. yes in my opinion its gaaloos thing.

salaam first of all qaqa you should not use the word most, because you do not really know most of us. also when people use the word modern what does it mean?in my opinion there nothing called modern, there are people both genders who are westernized, but i can not really find a definition for the word modernized.

salaam i have to disagree with you that point, as muslims we need to be more advanced than them in every way. sure they too have life outside the work, they have girlfriends, friends, clubs etc, but i think that they are setting their priority straight, i can not find any excuse why can not you come on time?!!and if you have work to do stay late, it is not like you will have extra work every day.

salaam i have to agree with modesty, he is trying to compare ours with theirs and also it seems to me like he is saying our masjids should follow the footsteps of church and temple, yes, i find his article way out of line, and if the churches are all that why are they empty!! the only thing in my opinion that the imaam needs is the knowledge of islam, and if he knows islam well, then he knows how to deal with the people, cause our religion is complete. (whether they get their certificates third world or not, and i find that sentence very insulting), and english that is if he is imaam in english speaking country.and whatever happened in our countries is not the because our imaams did not take sociology and human interaction courses.

salaam i remember there was a time that somlinet was like somaliaonline but i can not rememeber when they changed into what they are now, somalinet does not only insult islam but it also encourages tribelism. and for taqwa, maybe you are trying to help us to be better muslims but i'm sorry you are not doing it the right away, if Allah told his prophet to be this way with fircoon "Go, both of you to Fir'aun, for he has indeed transgressed all bounds But speak to him mildly; perchance he may take warning or fear (Allah)" (ta'ha). and also told prophet Muhammad(PPUH) this: Invite (mankind, O Muhammad) to the way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Revelation and the Qur’aan) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better” that is the way that daa'i should be.your ways will only make people run away.

tamina, i really agree with you, i see that no one is gaining any knowlege about this discussion, however, this difference exists between muslims and keeping quiet is not going to make it disapear. i think also that it is duty of every muslim to defend his brother/sister in islam, especially when they are not available to do that, i have no problem if you generalize, but picking up that sheikh particular, i think it is not right, if you read that chapter which i posted,tell me what part contradicts the teaching of the prophet(PPUH) are you saying the verses he used are not part of the quraan? or are you saying he used fabricated hadiths? if you answer no to these questions tell me then what is that you are against? in my opinion islam is not based on personal ideas, or desire, so if you want to do something then you should have clear cut evidence.so again i'm requesting the same thing rahima said before, proove that Shayk-ul-Islam Muhammad ibn Abdulwahab deviated from the fundamentals of Islam. Of course you must bring proofs from his writting and works, not from allegations. until you bring something he wrote and you say "he said so and so, and that is against that verse or that hadith" this discussion is over, at least from my part.

konwayn, you asked evidence from the work of sheikh imaam muxamad ibn c/wahaab(raximahu Allah) and here it is from his kitaab Tawhiid, i apolagize that it is long, but you asked for it. Kitaab At-Tawheed, Chapter: 20 What Has Been Said Concerning the Prophet's Protectiveness of Tawheed and His Blocking of Every Path Leading to Shirk Allah (swt ), says: " Verily, there has come to you a Messenger from amongst your-selves: It grieves him that you should perish: He is ardently anxious over you. To the Believers He is Most Kind and Merciful" (Qur'an 9:128) In this verse, Allah (swt ) has bestowed a great blessing upon mankind, in particular, the Arabs, because He sent to them a Messenger from amongst themselves who spoke their language, whose lineage, nobility and trustworthiness were well-known to them; and Allah (swt ) has described him as possessing certain Divinely-given qualities which make it incumbent upon all of us to follow him and believe in him, for he is troubled and grieved by whatever troubles and grieves his Ummah, and he ardently seeks that which is beneficial to them and earnestly desires that they be guided aright and he is full of compassion for them. Benefits Derived From This Verse 1. Evidence of the great blessing which Allah has bestowed upon mankind, in particular, the Arabs by His sending a Prophet to them from their own community, through whom Allah saved them from the abyss of shirk and humiliation. 2. Evidence of the Prophet's ardent care for his Ummah. Relevance of This Verse to the Subject of the Chapter and to the Subject of Tawheed That the verse proves the care taken by the Prophet (saas ) over his Ummah, especially his protection of their tawheed and his great efforts to prevent them from falling into whatever might lead to shirk, including his prohibition of glorifying graves, by building structures over them, in particular, his own grave - may Allah's Peace and Blessings be upon him. ..ooOOoo.. It is reported on the authority of Abu Hurairah (ra ) that he said: "Allah's Messenger (saas ) said: "Do not make your homes into graves, nor make my grave into a place of celebration. Send your prayers and blessings upon me, for they will be conveyed to me wherever you may be." (Narrated by Abu Dawood with a good sanad, and all of its narrators are trustworthy) Abu Hurairah (ra ) tells us in this Hadith, that the Prophet (saas ) forbade us from abandoning our homes and making them into graves where acts of worship are not performed and Allah's Name is not mentioned. And he forbade us from taking his grave as a place of celebration where people come to visit on a specific date, for a specific occasion. Then the Messenger of Allah (saas ) ordered us to send prayers and blessings upon him and informed us that the prayers and blessings of any Muslim, whoever he may be and wherever he may be, will be conveyed to him. Benefits Derived From This Hadith 1. The forbiddance of abandoning worship in the home. 2. The prohibition of praying towards graves. 3. The prohibition of visiting the grave of the Prophet (saas ) on a special occasion or for that matter, of visiting any grave in this manner. 4. The obligation to send prayers and blessings upon the Prophet (saas ). 5. That prayers and blessings upon the Prophet (saas ) reach him wherever the supplicator may be. That the dead can benefit from the prayers and blessings of the living Believers. Relevance of This Hadith to the Subject of the Chapter and to the Subject of Tawheed That the Hadith proves that it is prohibited in Islam to take graves as places of celebration, and that this demonstrates the Prophet's protectiveness towards his Ummah from the danger of every path that might lead to shirk. Important Note Some people have claimed that the Prophet's forbiddance of making his grave into a place of celebration necessitates that we should zealously cling to and visit his grave: As if he (saas ) had said: "Don't make my grave an annual place of celebration, but visit it all the time." However, this explanation is totally false and without substance, for the following reasons: (i) That this explanation is unclear and is therefore in contradiction with the established Sharee'ah,1 which is always clear. (ii) Had the Prophet (saas ) intended what they claim, his family and Companions would have implemented it and ordered others to do likewise. (iii) It has not been reported that the Companions ordered anyone to do this or that they did so themselves - and they were the most knowledgeable about the meaning of the Prophet's sayings. ..ooOOoo.. It is reported on the authority of `Ali Ibn Al-Husain that he saw a man approaching a small niche before the grave of the Prophet (saas ) and he went into the niche and began to supplicate. So he (`Ali) prevented the man from doing so, saying: "Shall I not tell you a Hadith (of the Prophet (saas ) which I heard from my father, who in turn, heard it from my grandfather [i.e. `Ali Ibn Abi Talib (ra )], who reported from Allah's Messenger (saas ) that he said: "Do not take my grave as a place of celebration, nor your homes as graves; send prayers and blessings upon me, for your salutations will reach me, wherever you may be." (Narrated by Al-Maqdasi, in Al-Mukhtarah) `Ali Ibn Al-Husain informs us in this narration, that he saw a man supplicating Allah (swt ) at the grave of the Prophet (saas ) and that he prevented him from doing so, using as evidence, a Hadith which contains a forbiddance of taking his grave as a place of celebratory visits and of abandoing worship of Allah (swt ) in the home and then he ordered us to send prayers and blessings upon him, saying that they would be conveyed to him wherever the Muslim who sent them may be. Benefits Derived From This Hadith 1. The obligation to reject wickedness. 2. The prohibition of intentionally making supplication at the Prophet's grave or any other grave. 3. The prohibition of abandoning worship and remembrance of Allah (swt ) in the home. 4. The forbiddance of praying at the graves. 5. Evidence that the prayers and salutations which a Muslim sends upon the Prophet (saas ) will be conveyed to him whether the Muslim is near or far from his grave. 6. That the dead Believer can benefit from the supplications of the living Believer. Relevance of This Hadith to the Subject of the Chapter and to the Subject of Tawheed That it proves that it is forbidden to take the grave of the Prophet (saas ) as a place of celebration in order to worship there and this shows the Prophet's protection of the purity of tawheed and his desire to close off every avenue that might lead to shirk. Important Note Setting out on a journey with the express intent of visiting the grave of the Prophet (saas ) is prohibited, because of his words: "Do not saddle up your riding beasts, except to three mosques: "The Sacred Mosque (in Makkah), this my mosque and Al-Aqsa Mosque (in Jerusalem)."2 In light of this, it is clear that whoever undertook a journey in order to pray in the Prophet's Mosque, is not guilty of any sin, while whoever did so in order to worship at the grave has disobeyed the Prophet." Footnotes 1. Sharee'ah: Islamic Law. 2. Narrated by Bukhari, Muslim and others. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/tawheed/abdulwahab/

i think that sending her death threats,is what she wants, now, anyone who wants to be a famous all he/she had to do is insult islam or the prophet(SCW), so i think that muslims should not threaten them but debate with them, i'm 100% sure her knowledge of islam is 0.it was just last night in 60 minutes, that this christian fundemant called the prophet(PPUH) a terrorist, and said that jesus and moses(calayhimaa salaam) were peace men, anyone who read the bible will find out that, he is contradicting his own religion.

Woman in hiding after she lambasts Islam Andrew Osborn, Europe correspondent Sunday October 6, 2002 The Observer Barely six months have elapsed since his murder but the Islamophobia openly espoused by anti-immigration politician Pim Fortuyn is now being voiced by a female immigrant whose words are outraging Dutch Muslims. In an ironic twist which would have amused Fortuyn, a Somali political scientist who immigrated to the Netherlands when she was nine has taken up his controversial battle cry that Islam is 'backward'. In doing so Ayaan Hirsi Ali has become the Netherlands' very own Salman Rushdie and is now in hiding after receiving a barrage of anonymous death threats, allegedly from extremist Muslims. The trouble started when she took part in a live debate on Dutch TV. An advisor to the Dutch opposition Socialist party, she used the opportunity to launch a bitter attack on Islam, taking issue with what she called the shoddy way in which it regarded women. Making a plea for full women's rights including 'complete personal freedom and individual choice' she claimed there was a 'serious imbalance' in relations between Muslim men and women and borrowed Fortuyn's famous phrase to label Islam 'a backward religion'. In the months since Fortuyn's death, Hirsi Ali has become a fierce critic of the way women are treated in Islamic society, particularly in tight-knit fundamentalist circles in the West. One of her accusations is that conservative Muslim groups cover up widespread domestic violence and child abuse in their midst. Yassin Hartog, a spokesman for Islam and Citizenship, the Netherlands' main Muslim lobby group, says he believes the death threats against Hirsi Ali may have been fabricated to blacken the Muslim community. 'We're getting more and more signs that these death threats are bogus,' he told The Observer. In an effort to distance themselves from the affair 17 Muslim organisations have signed a declaration condemning the death threats. However, this is not the first time anti-Islamic rhetoric has attracted death threats in the Netherlands and elsewhere. 'This is nothing new - just think of Salman Rushdie,' Secil Arda, the head of a Turkish women's group, told Radio Netherlands. 'Some people have the courage to say something, to give their opinion. 'I consider our fight a milestone in the process of emancipation. Without this quest we would never have change.'

salaam wlc abdulqaadir, and i hope you will like here.

salaam konwayn walaal itaqi Allah, whether sheikh maxamed ibn c/wahaab was good or bad, now he is infront of Allah, maybe you disagree some of his ideas, but you went too far when you called him shaydan, remember you will be asked every word you said against him, since he is not here to defend himself.. wahaabism is not a sect it never existed it is only a name that westerners use to divide muslims,we should be better than that.BTW can you give us the website that says add muxamd rasuul ALLAh is bidca, w/salaam

salaam i will keep your father in my prayer insha_allah.