salam i do not know why are you guys blaming only somalis.ethipians hate us too, i'm not talking about muslim ones beacuse back in somalia and before the war Oromo lived in somlia no one bothered them, and i have yet to see any somali who hates ethiopian muslims, but other ethiopian(not all of them ofcourse) hate more than anyone can imagine, and if you've ever been in their country then you know what i'm talking about.also why do some people like calling their own people racists, and ignorants, why do you only see what is wrong with us, and choose to see what is good about them, also because somalis are killing each other now, does that mean we should forget that ethiopian armies are killing somalis. people are fighting everywhere today because of land and somalis are not different.as far as i can see ethiopians hate somalis and muslims as well, and one more thing one of the reasons that somalia seems not to have a peace is because of ethiopian gov.

salaam what is going on, i thought the sis was asking how to prepare for the summer, and with no warning we have a civil war, and personal attacks, can't we exchange ideas without fighting?, anyway, summer is big issue for me, but there are two nice sites and they have nice hijabs and skirts, here they are: alhannah.com, alamirah.com. hope it helps you.

salam stay home that night if not emergency, and go another night, do not make it big deal, why would he ask you to stay home unless he wants to spend time with you, after all your family are more important than your friends.

salam when some women deny that their husband to take second wife, is not because they do not believe the ayah, and the example is fatima the daughter of the prophet refused ali(ra) to marry the daughter of abu-jahal, so ali never married another woman till fatima died, that is evidence that woman has the right to refuse their husband to marry second wife. also what will make woman to be unjust towards their husband, i do not think you need to be woman to know that, when prophet asked to marry um salma she said i'm very jelousy woman and you have other wives, i'm afraid i will do things that will make you angry, and Allah will punish me because of that, so prophet made du'a for her sake.for you to say that it is not neccessary for woman to ask divorce on the grounds that her husband took second wife, is beyond me, first you are not in that position to judge whether it causes her any harm emotionally, or it harms her religion,because everyone has a limit, and different people have different capacity.secondly where is your proof? i gave you the proof that women can buy their divorce if they feel they do not like their husband even if this husband does not mistreat her, and has both good character and religion, what is greater reason not to like one's husband than taking second wife?!!.

salam well you are asking the sister to bring a proof where is yours that woman can not ask for divorce, if her husband takes second wife?!!. i do not know what why you picked the writter's name is it because her name is amani? i read that article of yours from beginnig to the end,however i did not see where it says woman can not get divorce, it talks about how men are required to be fair among his wives, who is arguing about that?. i'm not scholar in anyway, and my knowledge is limited however i know rights that are given to me, and i have yet to see or read any scholar who denied the rights of women for divorce, your posts say that women can only ask for divorce if they are physically, mentally or financially hurt, but it seems to me bro you are forgetting that women can ask for divorce if they are afriad that they will not be able to carry their duties as wife, in other words if they think they will not be fair towards their husband,or simply they do not like their husband anymore and the evidence is in the first khula in islam that was practiced by jamila bint abdullah bin ubay and thabit ibn qays ibn abdshams, " a woman came to the Prophet Muhammad seeking the dissolution of her marriage, she told the Prophet that she did not have any complaints against her husband's character or manners. Her only problem was that she honestly did not like him to the extent of not being able to live with him any longer. The Prophet asked her: "Would you give him his garden (the marriage gift he had given her) back?" she said: "Yes". The Prophet then instructed the man to take back his garden and accept the dissolution of the marriage (Bukhari). so if the husband takes second wife, the first wife is sure that she can not deal with it, and she will not be the wife she's used to be because she is emotionally hurt, do not you think she has more reason to ask for divorce than jamillah who has no reason to ask for divorce except she did not like him anymore .islam discourages divorce from both sides, except when it is neccessary, and it becomes a neccessary if one of the parties know that they will not be able to perform their duties.i'm not advocating for divorce, but these rights are there, to be used when neccessary, so before you deny their existance do little research, reading verses that allow men to marry more than wife will not talk about whether women can get divorce or not, because they are not dealing with it. also if you want to debate someone, then you should not call that person ignorant, . and if you want read this verse: “The divorce is twice, after that, either you retain her on reasonable terms or release her with kindness. And it is not lawful for you (men) to take back (from your wives) any of your Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) which you have given them, except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allaah (i.e. to deal with each other on a fair basis). Then if you fear that they would not be able to keep the limits ordained by Allaah, then there is no sin on either of them if she gives back (the Mahr or a part of it) for her Khul' (divorce). These are the limits ordained by Allaah, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits ordained by Allaah, then such are the wrongdoers. And if he has divorced her (the third time), then she is not lawful unto him thereafter until she has married another husband.” [surah Al-Baqarah: 229-230],

Originally posted by Salafi_Online: Innalhamdulillah....Wa aSalamu alaykum x-Q Like i said Earlier...its not permissable for a women to ask for a divorce cause her husband wants to get married to a second women...as for Being just to them all...he is only required to be just them in a financial way...or Materialistic way.Which by the way is possible...however he way love one wive more then the other...Like the messenger of Allah(saas) love Aisha more then all his other wives...He heart was incline to her more...this is not something any human can control...So u are not held accountable By Allah...Refer to the Book of Ibnul Qayyim on multiple marriage Also Tafsir Ibn Kathir on the poligamy of this aayat.... warya QAC QAC this one is for u! salam even though this question was intended to sis x-quizit,i was surprised that anyone will deny woman the right to divorce,the right that islam gave to them more than 1400+ years, and will use the religion to deny it, is really unbelievable actually woman have the right to divorce their husband if they do not like him, that is why the khulca is there, secondly almost all the scholars agreed that women can ask for divorce if their husband takes another woman,you said they can not what is your proof? maybe you will like to read this fatwa. Marriage is a bond that unites two people who are in love to live as one for all eternity. It is the most beautiful part of life that we as human beings are able to experience. But, why does the liberty to divorce have to be so effortless. This is the major cause for the break up of marriages, many times, for no reason whatsoever. Why is it permitted to remarry twice or thrice thereafter? I have seen examples of people who keep more than 2 wives at a time. Is it permitted? Is this fair on womankind? Being a woman, I know that no woman would want to share her husband with another woman no matter what the circumstances are. I do feel that this liberty is misused very much. This has always been a very sensitive issue to me and I hope you will have an appropriate explanation. Date 2003/8/7 Name of Consultant Amani Aboul Fadl Farag Content of Reply Salaam Sister, Thank you for your question. In fact, it reveals a great deal of sensitivity and romanticism in your personality. You asked two questions one is about divorce the other is about polygamy. Your first question in which you complain about the effortlessness of divorce in Islam reminds me of another question that I once received from another questioner, complaining about the difficulty and rather impossibility of divorce in Islam! This means that both your complaints do not represent the absolute truth but they may be a reflection of certain situations that you both might have witnessed and have given you such impressions. To me, the policy of divorce in Islam is very wise and balanced, it is a midway between the two extremes of forbiddance and effortlessness. Having a look at those cultures that make divorce impossible, you'll find a bigger number of marital infidelities, more frequent visitations to psychologists, and more legal manipulations to seek refuge in what is termed "civil marriage" that guarantees easier divorce. Because you are young and idealistic you may think that the two people united in marriage after being in love will always be so, but reality says that in some cases love disappears and life brings about challenges that are too hard for some marriages to resist. In this case divorce and the chance to start a new happy life with some one else is a better choice than a miserable marriage, which would definitely lead to infidelity or depression. This does not mean that Islam - in its quest for people's happiness - makes divorce an easy option, but it comes as the last alternative after serious attempts for reconciliations. Please look up the links provided at the bottom of this answer to read previous answers related to divorce, then you will realize that though it is permitted and not impossible for both men and women to obtain it, yet it is not "that easy!" Concerning your second question about polygamy, I understand that it is difficult for all women, including the Prophet's wives, to accept this situation. This is as jealousy is an innate feeling born with every woman. But Islam in its genius balancing between the individual and the collective within the society, sees that there are many problems that appear due to limiting the number of wives absolutely to one. The first wife may be sterile while the husband wants to have children without divorcing her. Maybe he loves or maybe she doesn't have anywhere else to go if she is divorced. Also another reason is that a husband might not be very happy with a wife who does not respect or treat him decently, or denies him his marital rights - this behavior is more frequent than you imagine - while he cannot divorce her because of the children. In other cases, a husband is physiologically too strong to have one wife… Again in war times, when tens of thousands of men die leaving widows and orphans unattended, there is always a need of polygamy to help those ladies and save the whole society from a state of moral chaos, which would result from all these numbers of single women. Above all, those ladies have the same right - as you do - to have husbands! Imagine yourself or someone you love in this situation and you will change your idea. It is only because we are not the victims then we don't have enough sympathy. Such situations take place in all societies. In societies that do not permit polygamy, the alternative is definitely marital infidelity, relations outside marriage and psychological disturbance. On the other hand, Islam does not oblige a wife to accept sharing her husband with another woman. In case she cannot, she has the liberty to seek divorce. In general, I can tell you that both divorce and polygamy are options by which Allah has blessed our nation, in order to facilitate our lives and preserve our values. The misuse of such facilities by a few - and not many - irresponsible and hard hearted people, should not deprive others who may be in need of them and whose lives might be messed up without them. Thank you again for your question and please keep in touch. Salaam.

salaam og-girl said whatever i was about to say, in islam man do not need his wife's permission to get married, but also the wife has the option not be in that relationship if she does not want to, so i believe in polygamy. it is there to solve many social problems,and i have no problem as long as he is not my husband the one who is practicing it.many people including us muslims misunderstand polygamy actually islam discourages it, not the opposite, and what we see today is that most men do not practice it right.

salaam i guess it is personal choice and has nothing to do with being western. but i once read that sheikh mohamed abdo(he was president of azhar in 1930)went to france and ate with his hand in a resturant, so this french lady get mad and called the manager and told him to get this "uncivilized" man out of the resturant, so he said to the lady he can be sure where his hand has been, but can she say the same thing about her forks and spoons.so those of you who would not eat with their hands because it is not clean are they sure the spoons are clean.

salaam her name was nusayba bint ka'ab.

salam his name is sa'id ibn zaid, omar ibn khattab's brother in-law.

salam and i'm waiting that, let me explain my question more, yes there are many promised jannah but these are known as "the ten promised the jannah", there are muhajirin, all men. i hope that helps.

salam libaax this is not about what to follow, bro sayf made serious accusation against ibn taymiyyah, and i asked him to produce the proof, that is all. however ignoring the differences between shia and sunni would not solve the problem, because we do not even agree on the sunnah, and meaning of the qur'an. any way back to the topic, who are the ten that were promised the jannah?.

salaam that book was an answer to shia scholar, and basically in his book he talked about everything that was wrong with shia beliefs, it is four vol, i do not remember every single word that was in his book, and i did not read the all 4 vol, but i can find it, if you tell me the vol and the page, but i'm sure if he did say something like that, a lot of people would have corrected him. in your last post you were accusing sunnis misqouting shia, and you are doing excatly the samething.also i find that it contradicts what ibn taymiyyah said in his book "aqeedatu waasitiyah "creed of the middle path" when he was talking about the fundamentals of the sunnah"They accept what has been reported continuously from the Prince of the Believers, 'Ali Ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him), and from others, that the best men of this 'Ummah after its Prophet are: Abu Bakr; then 'Umar; third, 'Uthman, and fourth, 'Ali Ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with them all). so how can he say ali's islam was not valid, when he called him the prince of the believers!!.

Originally posted by sayfulaah-almasluul: i had full respect for ibnu taymiyah before i read his opinon about ali,he even allegedly claimed that alli's islam was not valid,and if you ask why,well, he said that alli ebraced islam while he was young. in any event,you can't expect sunis to qoute rightly from the shiates source and same applys to shiates. hope people will read more about shiates. [/QB] where ibn taymiyah said ali's islam was not valid?!! what book,you can not accuse him without proof.

salaam bro, maybe you did not understand what i meant,i do not follow one madhab, somalis might be shaafici, but i'm not, i'm neither shaafici, nor hanbali etc.some people do not feel comfortable saying they do not have one, that is fine,but also there are others who do not follow one school.however about the question you listed, i go with which ever i feel comfortable, comfortable meaning i find my peace with it,and his arguments convinces me, i do not follow anyone blindly if i have question i take the time to see what all of them said, and ask scholars.i may take one thig from hanafi, another from shafici, third from maliki etc. as far as i'm concerned there is nothing that forces me to follow one school.let's say you follow shafici, one day you had a question you look what shafici said, it did not convince you, but maliki did. what are you going to do?so again i do not identify myself with any madhab.

i do not follow any madhab, to philosopher, that hadith did not mean you have to follow any madhab, since all these schools came after prophet's death.

salaam i thoght someone has to answer the question before posting new one. so first question Ali(ra) slept the prophet's position, who was behind the plan to assasinate the prophet, i think it was eblis, quraysh were discussing what to do with the prophet, when eblis came to them and told them if every major tribe of quraysh brings two young men and they kill the prophet, then banu-hashim would not be able to fight with all quraysh. seecond question suurat cabaas waxay ku soo dagtay c/laahi ibn um-maktoom, sabab: wuxuu u yimid rasuulka oo la hadlaya odoyaal quraysh ah oo uu rabay inay islaamaan sida abu-jahal, waliid ibn muqayra iyo umaya ibn khalaf, c/laahi wuxuu ku celceliyey i bar waxa uu ilaahay kugu soo dajiyey, rasuulkuna wuu dhibsaday, markaas baa ilaahay soo dajiyey suuradaas, markaas ka dib rasuulku markuu arko c/laahi ibn maktoom wuu soo dhowayn jiray orana jiray ilaahay baa adiga dartaa i canaantay. here is my question two things were forbidden in the war of khaybar what were they?.

salaam islam gave these rights to the men but with responsability, ofcourse some people abuse these rights among other things, and according to the religion man does not need his first wife's approval, as a condition to get second wife the only thing they need is that they should be able to support both families equally.as men have a right to marry 4, women has the right not to be among them, also women who are concerned about that can write it down on the contract that he can not marry another woman without her consent, so then men are obligated to tell their wives. i do not blame only men but also their wives who let them get away with that.

Originally posted by m0hab: bulo,, bro u totaly,, missundersto0o0d, ma words,, any wyaz,, hope u'll check out ma mesage again,,.. waxad oagat waxna ka ahdlayan w adiintena,, ma ahand ood wadag cadi ah bro, so we should be carefull ,, Walakaa,, m0hab,, salaam first i'm not a bro , second i did not talk about your message at all, i was replying to Darman, and i said the name Allah is genderless, exactly what you said, :confused:

salaam we can say all we want about saudi gov, but one thing we can not deny is that saudi gov is the only muslim gov that spends millions on these two holy cities, there are 50+ muslim countries, and they do not even pay a penny, they do not help out the expenses of the haj,so the least thing that all muslims can do is to be grateful that someone is taking care of our holy cities.,second thing every single year the gov tries to minimize these things, before people use to die between safa and marwa, they made it two way street, since then no one had a problem, and this year they made a plan that they will let limited number of people inside each time, but people who are not registered managed to get to the haj, so this thing is trial and error, no one cares the safety of the haj more than saudi gov, and the evidence is how they are changing things each year

Originally posted by Darman: brother Mohab I will have to disagree with you on this one.. Alah, his almighty, has referred to himself in a male noun throughout the holy Quran.. you can attest to that from Surat Al ikhlaas which is one example of many.... :- salaam i agree with muraad Allah does not equal god, All the names of Allah are genderless, from what i heard is that pronouns that are used in the quran such as 'he' 'third person' or 'we' does not mean Allah refered himself male noun but it has something to do with arabic language, and the way arabs used the language, so scholars say that the name Allah is genderless.if you want to know more http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=2719

Originally posted by Opinionated: quote:Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: The Bible says the following things. Slavery is acceptable. [Wells, 1999] Its funny you should mention that. I thought Islam didn't prohibit slavery either. opinionated sis islam did indeed tried to solve the problem of slavery unlike christianity who encourages it, there are some sins were muslims were required to free slave, for a short period of times slavery problems were solved from arabia according to history books, before islam there were many ways that people could be taken as slaves islam prohibited all these ways except the prisoners of war, i once heard from lecture were the imaam was saying that the reason prisoners of war were not prohibited was that they were doing the same thing to the muslim prisoner, and if they do not start slaving muslim prisoners muslims will not start(you might need to double check it), this is an excellent article that will explain to you islam and slavery, http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/slav1.htm

salaam well kaafi i do not really understand how you want us to help him exactly,i know it is difficult for a lot young muslims to find potential spouse, but my solution is go to your nearest mosque and ask the imaam to help him find a wife,also if he is religious he should try to find someone like him otherwise he is going to have a lot of problems, or someone who wants to be religious like him.

Originally posted by Opinionated: [As for Islam being the only solution, I do not think so. Just look at the other so-called muslim countries...Are they really that stable? (Besides the ones that are rich off oil-money). You can have Islamic shari'ah placed in Somalia, but there will always be CORRUPT leaders. [/QB] good topic, and yes islam is the only solution all these countries opinionated they do not follow the shari'ah nor their system is based on it either, they follow systems that they invented. corrupted leaders are everywhere from east to west, islam has rules for everything, so if someone is proven to be corrupted they will be punished.

salaam jaale-qaxooti how can you be sure that the one Allah said in the quran is somali, not reer hebel .... somali is ethnicity not tribe, take example aws and khasraj they shared everything language, culture, land, like somali yet they were two different tribes, if we follow you then all arabs are one tribe. nothing wrong with qabiil, what is wrong is how people use it, Allah made us into qabiils to know each other,help each other not to fight, so if someone ask me my qabiil i see nothing wrong with that, he/she can be my long lost cousin.so somali tribe struction is not different than the one that existed in arabia, they used to fight for tribes exactly like us, but when islam came to them the prophet taught them the true meaning of clan. so somalis do not need to deny their tribes,and, rather they need to learn their religion.