Now you are splitting hairs.

Apo..The argument is wether targeting civilians is justified? These troops massacred civilians just as USC did in Xamar, we can argue which one was more severe. Jach...the Somali state was still intact in 88 and soldiers of tribe took part as just they did in Mudug.

Lets be honest, there was no State since the SNA lost waqooyi.

Apo....It was all Ds. Troops belonging to H tribes were given safe passages through Ethiopia. Ds made their way South through sheer force. They killed and robbed.

Maybe when they first left waqooyi but I know this much by the time, they reached the South, it was largerly Ds. They reinforced troops in the Caymiska and massacred people at warshada baastada.

Apophis;917746 wrote: ^ You're confusing state led killings and clan led killings. To me, the latter is more heinous, as happened in Mogadishu The retreating army was entirely Ds and they included dhafoor qiiq. The system broke down by 1990. But about Barre regime, everbody dutifully served it until their clan became a target.

The retreating forces did do serious damage, robbed, raped and killed everything and everyone their way. In turn, fugees paid the price and Osman Caato paid reer Hiiraan in kind.

Let everbody write their own history:-)

Interesting... Wondering what Hague promised Siilaanyo?

Gheelle...Our houses have not been looted thanks to people we knew from the family's days in Beledweyne. As for living in Xamar again, in all honesty, I rather go where I feel safe. I have seen what Somalis are capable in person.

Siyaad Barre is always convienant scapegoat.

metta;917670 wrote: I guess you are right. I guess its also in the interest of reer Mogadishu to have the President rule and accepted in only the capital. More money and attention :cool: Good luck to everybody then.

^You know Rahima, I was reminded of something you were saying about Hargeysa and how foreign it feels now for other Somalis. I am beginning to think that applies to everywhere and everyone. Maybe it's not such bad idea to break down into pits. It's certainly better than being at the each other's throats. The concept of Somali nationhood is memory now and will likely remain so.

The Federal Government has no real power hence can't impose its will on anyone including the Jubba project. With that mind, I doubt this is a move to counter Xamar. It's IGAD project.

This whole thing is hush hush, complete lack of transparency.

Good news.

metta.....Everybody is protecting their interest even it comes at the expense of national cohesion.

Daqane is Liqaye? lol Abwaan...Let them vent, it's healthy.

Daqane..how many houses have you or family looted and/or how many people have you killed? N did you go back to loot more?

Document? You joking right?

There needs to be devolution of power in one form or another.

NGONGE;917415 wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about, saaxib. I was talking about House of Cards, the British version. I am referring to young journalist he throws from the roof, the one calls him daddy even as she was falling. that

Underdog..Yes, but we have now hills of snow with ice at the bottom. I guess it could be worse.

Ngonge...You mean 'daddy' wasn't memorable enough. I saw it on the weekend, it was aight.

Xamar ignoring periphery has consequence too. N you are putting too much stock on foriegners.