Would they ask the people if they own the houses? Property inventory for taxation purposes and other related issues like Oba's house being occupied by others:D

Wiil Cusub;918335 wrote: Che you have point, in this particular case you can't call genocide but what about if this case was the beginning of many more massacres (10 to 100 cases) in Burco area leave alone what happened other area. You could say that about any tribe including MJs that Barre targeted for threatening his regime. Indeed, there were many tragic massacres including Jaziira but they don't mount to genocide but 88 is different story. Caku Oodweyne, war ninyahow ragga tolkaa ah saas luuma galo, you should be thanking Daqane, Abwaan, and Co for putting the final nail into Barre's coffin and consider the stolen property of the south as reward for a hard earned win. Bal turn blind eye for sec.

Daqane...before you start changing the parameters of the thread, pay close attention to the title!

By Somali's definition of genocide, there are and were tens of thousands of genocides in Xamar alone since 1991..

43 is massacre not genocide.

The Government should either appoint all governors or leave the process to the locals. It shouldn't also overestimate its power in the periphery which is non-existent.

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;918088 wrote: I was in Xamar a few weeks ago. One fact I did notice was: Qabiil waa laga gudbay as compared to 2003 when I was in that city. Sanadkaas dad baa sanka ka hadli jiray because of tolkooda isku haleynaaye. Dadkaas baalashooda waala rifay, aad iyo aad u edeb leeyihiin maanta. (All thanks to Barbaarta.) Haddiiba 'looma'ooyaan' loo bixin as they used to call others wrongly nasiib ayee leeyihiin. Dadkiina buga oo qabyaalad qurbo ku heysoo ka gudba dadkii Xamar deganaaba waaka gudbeenee. One thing is sure, AS is the equalizer or even silencer.

I am not sure about that model considering how angry some people I know are and no they are not qurbojoog.

^I guess you are laandheer?

Everything we Somalis do is unwise.

It's an IGAD being implemented by a particular clan family. I don't think it's representative of the populace in that part of Somalia.

^LOL...it's family affair dear Oba.

Apophis;917781 wrote: No that's not the argument. The question is whether the two scenerious discussed can be compared. On the one hand, you have the state (consisting of all the clans) doing what it has to, to survive. And on the other, you have one specific tribe deciding to target another specific tribe. The kacaan government attacked all the tribes who were against it (including d-block), the same cannot be said for the people who attacked Mogadishu. Apples and Mangoes. The circumstances were obviously different, one was systemic cleansing of a tribe and the other a wholesale destruction of towns and people by SNA which by then was D-force.

Now you are splitting hairs.

Apo..The argument is wether targeting civilians is justified? These troops massacred civilians just as USC did in Xamar, we can argue which one was more severe. Jach...the Somali state was still intact in 88 and soldiers of tribe took part as just they did in Mudug.

Lets be honest, there was no State since the SNA lost waqooyi.

Apo....It was all Ds. Troops belonging to H tribes were given safe passages through Ethiopia. Ds made their way South through sheer force. They killed and robbed.

Maybe when they first left waqooyi but I know this much by the time, they reached the South, it was largerly Ds. They reinforced troops in the Caymiska and massacred people at warshada baastada.

Apophis;917746 wrote: ^ You're confusing state led killings and clan led killings. To me, the latter is more heinous, as happened in Mogadishu The retreating army was entirely Ds and they included dhafoor qiiq. The system broke down by 1990. But about Barre regime, everbody dutifully served it until their clan became a target.

The retreating forces did do serious damage, robbed, raped and killed everything and everyone their way. In turn, fugees paid the price and Osman Caato paid reer Hiiraan in kind.

Let everbody write their own history:-)

Interesting... Wondering what Hague promised Siilaanyo?

Gheelle...Our houses have not been looted thanks to people we knew from the family's days in Beledweyne. As for living in Xamar again, in all honesty, I rather go where I feel safe. I have seen what Somalis are capable in person.

Siyaad Barre is always convienant scapegoat.

metta;917670 wrote: I guess you are right. I guess its also in the interest of reer Mogadishu to have the President rule and accepted in only the capital. More money and attention :cool: Good luck to everybody then.