^Again, you are saying you condemn this and then go on to make false comparisons which is just another way of justifying it. You either condemn it unreservedly and not link it to what others do or simply don't condemn it! It's like comparing a rapist to another rapist as if somehow the action of one rapist is qualified by what another rapist might have done somewhere else.

LOL@Jacpher....it actually took you this long to condemn what you see in the video. Are you saying individual behavior can not be partially attributed to one's culture? AS is Somali product! Thank you Somalee! One would think the human thing to do is condemn such heinous not defend the perpetrators.

I called the number and talked to Abdullahi Jamac Haaruun. He says if anyone wants to send money, they can direct it to the girl's father, Abdullahi Ahmed Abdi or they could send to him as well. I asked the man the uncomfortable question of how would the donors know if the money will reach the family in need. He stated that they will put another video once the treatment is finished. Whatever you decide, Whether you decide to send the money to the father or Abdullahi Jamac, you will have to use the number in the video 2522-4491690. And please individually, email or call Maxaay from somcare.org to encourage his organization to help! If you know any NGOs that could help, please forward the video. p.s. They are aware of the doctor in Galkacayo.

^Are you kidding me? Of course, Americans are responsible for what happen in Abu Ghariab. It's their army, their leaders, and the support of every average' 'patriot'on the street. The whole country supported the war. Don't make excuses. N of course, the Arab culture plays its party in shaping how these people behave! N whatever AS did, they are responsible. You sound like German! N are you really making an excuse for what those torturers are doing?

^Why do I get the feeling if it was Americans that were torturing these men, you would have been outraged. Because Somalis did it, that somehow justify what the torturers are doing, some logic.

uchi;920863 wrote: Who are they and why are they getting whipped?, perhaps you can enlighten us a bit more? Just posting it for the puprose of dehumanizing a whole people is not a good thing Che, you should know better brother. Does matter why and who? Under what circumstances that can their actions be JUSTIFIED? I didn't post the video to demonize anyone or have control over how people react?

The reason we have moderators and the topic perfectly legitimate unless people being tortured is also an insult.

LOL

^He has been using the wrong nails. I told the nicca to go Home Depot.

Dhagax-Tuur..I think the problem for many Somalis is they can't seem to differentiate the deen, the culture of the Arabs and the Arab themselves. It seems you have two extremes, ones that curse Arabs and Islam, and the ones who would make every excuse for the Arab by mainly employing the deen and proximity of the Arabs. I remember one woman saying Carabta yaan wax laga sheegin Nabiga ka dhashee.

One man can't build or bring to life one f*up nation whose citizens do everything but help you. Why can't Faroole reach out to Xasan? What's duty to the revival of the Somali nation?

First of all, those defending the heinous crime by screaming there are good Arabs, we have nothing to talk about. If you can't feel the pain of these men, may God help you! Secondly, this is not matter of good Arabs vs bad Arabs, indeed there are good Arabs. I have met them personally. What's at the question is the culture that accepts and even nurtures this sort of behavior, the culture that allows child brides, slavery, honor killings,'male servants', humiliation of the other and utter disregard for common decency. Now, if you want defend this culture, make your points and do so without false comparisons to other cultures including Somali culture. What are basis of your argument? And for those who resort to Somalis are racists, that might well be but do tell me this and I remind Somalia is in the midst of civil war, where in Somalia have Arabs been treated this way. I have lived with Yemenis in Bilaajo Arab and alot of them were better off than most Somalis, and all enjoyed the protection of the State and had the respect of the Somali people. Even now, in chaotic Somalia foreigner fares much better than many Arab countries. Back to the main argument, please put forward your defense of deviant culture?

Haatu....We are not talking about individuals but culture and enviroment that nurture these sort of thinking.

Bluelicious;920669 wrote: So Che what was your point with the video? If this sort of thing doesn't make Somalis compramise and reconcile, I dont know what will. I hate mention Somali women enslaved in Libya. Haatu....there's something seriously wrong with that culture.

Haatu...Somalis dont torture or demean foriegners living among them. There's inherent defiant in Arab culture.

People, you ate missing the point here. Wadani...stop insulting Somali women.

Alpha...do you even know where Jubba is on the map?

http://boramanews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6164&catid=34&Itemid=53

This is stuck in my head.

^He's curious kid, let him enjoy.

This whole conversation reminds of this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Dg59wBbegvk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> followed by http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=z9dsa967Y5E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen>

^Keydmedia posts a heavily edited videos meant to revise history. That includes this video. Now if you disagree with that assertion, then great.

Stop dreaming Oba, you work with what you get not what you would like to have.

I guess states are good start though not the best option.

You seriously asking for an update from Mooge? Hope this goes well.