I hope they mean what they say. These menhave a track record of making allaince just to be antagonistic, and not actually deliver any of their promises.

Xoogsade-You are right Xamar is not bad as many here would like us to believe, but the question here is do the citizens in Xamar have the muscle to dismantle the militias, or are the warlords willing to disarm on own their accord.I do understand, and fully support Reer Xamar's objection to Ethiopian presence in our capital,but is there alternative plan. So far the warlords haven't presented any tangible alternative plans. Antoganism is all they seem to be doing now. Xamar is our capital, and as such is essential to the stability of our land, and the letigimacy of any Somali goverment. Reer Xamar have responsibility to the rest of the country to make mogadisho not just livable, but fully secured so that the Somali state could be reinstated. I did not see Che's movie yet. It is out on dvd, I was hoping to rent or buy one. I heard it is good picture. Ppl, Perhaps Iam wrong in generalizing all reer mudug,but you gotta admit lot of these ppl are little more tribalistic than your average Somali. Likes of Yeey, and Aidid Sr have always shown their addiction to tribalism, their tendencies to violence, and unwillingness to comprise for the greater good of the Somali nation. For looking back at 14 Somali reconcialation conference that preceded the latest one, you would see and agree that those responsible for the demise of those failed conferences are largely people of mudug decent. MsWord. A more deserving Somali worth of our Support would be perhaps someone from Bay/Bakool.Folks from these regions generally supported every Somali goverment, and have always been willing to comprise.

Ppl What did you expect from Reer Mudug. Their life revolve around Qabiil. They live, breathe and talk Qabiil. They have great appetite for destruction, and are in love with power. It is sad Somalis keep on choosing these people as presidents. AbdiQasim was failure, and so is Yeey. They both are hardcore tribalists, and the region they hail from represents all that's wrong with Somalis.Perhaps next time we choose the more decent and deserving Somalis from other regions. Xoogsade. Reer Mogdisho are either busy with daily struggles, or just too traumized to decide their city's faith.

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^^^^^correction, They already control 15-20% of Somali soil ( SomaliGalbeed), and run many parties of Somali proper via warlords. We are already in sad state, but the fall of Xamar Caddeey would be even sadder.

Horn-Give SmithnW few days. He still can't believe Yeey touched down in Somalia.He is too excited to remember without xamar there is no goverment, and that "minority rebels" could actually spoil this for his adeer. Having said, that I hope the warlords in xamar realise that all Somalis are tired of war, and this is befgining of the end of anarchy. We all had enough. Yeey n xamar must reach comprise.

N whats wrong with reer Xamar accent :confused: :confused:

Sky-African-Qabiil mistrust will always be there, and federalism won't dispel all this hatred and mistrust among the Somalis. Federalism is meant to give equal representation, and resources to all Somali regions, and also curb the powers of those running our capital. In other words-no more city state. Dividing Somalia among Qabiil lines will be detrimental to our interests in the long run. The more adequate federalism shoud divide Somalia into regions with multiple Qabiils. I don't why Mudug and Galgaduud can't join Pland. We can have three regions, the north(sool,Sanaag,awdal,w/galbeed thats if they chose to rejion Somalia), the Central(Bari down to Galgaduud,), amd the South.This will be more practical federalism, and will teach Somalis to live together in peace and share. Wind-talker-The mention of Caabudwaaq joining Pland(Though it turn to be just fabricatin) looked Pland is becoming a Qabiil state within State.

I was in school getting ready to take my mid-term(maybe final) exam. Ciyaal dhar jaalo aan ahaa(Galablay)I spent nine months in and around mogadisho, and I was out of there by november of 1990. The most horrifying thing was seeing this slaughter house(n It was literally slaughter as people's throats were being cut) where two women in Shuko are being killed. N the war taught us Abtirsi for first in my life. We had to learn many Qabiil lineage names, and recite those depending who you run into, the goverment troops or the USC militia.

Puntland should be more inclusive. If this is true, and I would say it is positive step.

QL- Keep on preaching bro. Che-Barre was unforgiving leader n see we are now....lol. We need a leader that would put the interests of people and the country first.

QL- We are superficial indeed, and hardly put in the effort to win our country, and sadly this extends to all Somalis including those of us in the diasporo. Xoogsade-How long do you think we could afford to stay on sidelines cuz of fear. Che- I do have a plan, and it begins with removing Yeey and his ilk aka warlords. I think Somali intellectuals, and diasporo should assume more responsibility in Somali affairs, and should also start asking questions. What has my Qabiil exactly done for me. If you are resident of any Somali town, one thing is sure, your Qabiil hasn't provided with jobs, paid your expenses, educated your kids, or even protected you from common thugs. Putting individual's interest before that of Qabiil might be the key to solving some of our problems.

Well we can agree on one thing, Somalinimo is indeed dead.Obviously we are not deviod of all imagination as qabiil-based solutions are being tossed around,but this only gives a rise to new question, don't Somalis realise focusing solely on your tribe's problems, and ignoring the plight of your fellow Somali haven't really provided them any lasting solution. Do they understand individual qabiils is part of larger nation whose welfare need to be looked after.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: When Cismaan Caato and et al. start talking about in defence of "Soomaalinimo" against foreign troops, mainly Amxaar, it makes me giggle for a moment. Where was "Soomaalinimo" in the last 15 years, especially when the majority of his hub (and most of other warlords' weaponry in every region) were bought and bestowed by the same Amxaar/Tigrey to kill and victimize another Soomaali? . [/QB] MMA-Somalinimo was temporarily on hold for these people.The simple fact is that these people will lose a lot if law and order returns.

Duke-Walaal Don't let your blind support for Yeey blur yourn judgement.Potraying Xamar as unsafe place will fuel more hate and unrest.n Also any deployement of Amxaar troops in our capital will be detrimental to our interests as nation. Your uncle need to focus on reconciling people instead demonizing xamar, and calling ethios to march into Somali proper. I do however have share your on opinion on so called Islamic courts.Those need to go!!!!!!

If this is true. It will indeed sad day for all us. No Amxaar should be in our capital city.It is symbol of Somali freedom!!!

Someone said Imagination is the ability to design ideas/solutions that creatively deals with unprecedented problems/situations. The problems facing the Somalis are truely unprecedented and have been going on for long time now. The effects of these problems are very profound, and have touched the life of every Somali in the most negative way.Under the current cirscumstances, one would think that Somalis would have flow of creative imagination that will effectively deal with their delimma as failed nation.However the very oppisite is true, and the minds of the Somalis whether be intellectuals, religious groups or average man are stagnant, and couldn't come up with any solutions that would help us overcome our problems.The now question arises, are we just indifferent to our plight or lack positive creative imagination altogether?. The latest pathetic attempt at restoring the Somali State just shows how stagnant is the Somali mind. The unwilligness of the Somalis to think for themselves is demonstrated in Yeey's call for IGAD troops to occupy Mogadisho. We need Somali solutions for Somali problems!!!!

If what Sangub says is actually true, I don't see how his comments are any different from that of his countrymen. Who among the Somalis haven't wished ill on other Somalis solely cuz of Qabiil. All Somalis ignorant and educated alike are either murderors or potential murderors. Ha deesay gacanta wax ku dilin, afka bee wax ku dilayn,ama niyada. His comments if indeed true only reflects ill the nature of the larger Somali society and their lack of emphaty for each other.

I think the call for foriegn troops is premature one.The world wants Somalis to do the heavy lifting, and assume responsibility for their affairs. This is how any Somali goverment will get any letigimacy in the eyes of the world.Any call for non-Somali forces erodes this letigimacy. N for this goverment to work,the warlords must understand their days are coming to an end, and the people have spoken.

The Nile is the life line of Egypt. Some restrictions had to be there to protect the sixty million plus Egyptians, but Egypt has to recognize the old treaties were unfair and obselete by now, and occupation won't guaruntee her the Nile. So they must sit with the other Nile and work out fair formula of distrubation.

Take easy buddy. It is just map. Can post your version if you like, or use as your avator.

Nobody knows what Mogadisho wants, and the idea of foriegn troops specially ethios in the Somali capital is bad one.

Why in the world would anybody support Ali Samatar. All criminals of Barre regime should pay the price. Every action has consequences and it is about time that Samatar and co face the music. Farthermore the leadership of the many tribal-based rebel forces should also be held accountable for atrocites that they have commited. For the Samatar supporters- Answer this what has Samatar done for you or your country to deserve your mercy. "He is old man" is no good answer. Or even more, what has Barre regime, USC, SSDF and SPM did for you as individual to deserve your support or loyalty. These retards destroyed Somalia just to gain power. They weren't fighting for ideology or religion. Their only aim was to attain power even that meant Somalia had to destroyed in the process.

Kudos to Yeey for showing not all Somalis agree with the miserably bunch that dug up the graves. Iam glad he had the mind and sense to calm down the matter, and apologize to the Italians.

Wouldn't inclusion of Cabudqaaw district into Pland be considered D-ism looking at the fact Pland never invited the good people of southern mudug n galguduud to join Pland administration. Pland is already an exclusive QABIIL entity, lets not make even more exclusive. Rather than worrying about Caabudqaaw, Pland should worry about how to reunite Galkayo.