Didi....You conveniently left SSDF out whose only aim was to dislodge Barre from the power so their clan could return to the blessed days of 60s.

Paragon.....Any idealogy is only as good as the people that adopts it. What brought down Somalia is bad governance on the part of an ignorant leadership, and lack of development due the decisions made by those in power. The problem was made more acute by citizenery who didn't understand their role in the political process ( and this explains the political apathy shown by Somalis, and their lack of empathy for each other). Whatever idealogy that takes hold in Somalia today must emphasize in incorporating the comman man into the political system. One must feel they have stake in the process for them to care about the country. Somalinimo was never given the chance to address the nation problems. Its efforts was cut short by barre's ascend to power. And I agree with you, it really won't for us today. But it mustn't be discredited completely since it never took hold in the minds of all Somalis. And the faith of today's Islamists would be decided what they install in the citizenry. If their aim is totalarian rule which alienates the public,then Iam afraid we will be doomed to repeat the same mistakes. Redsea..Walaal lets agree to disagree.

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^^^The women are allowed to walk around without Burqas in Shiraz.And on rare occasion, you might see them in tight jeans.

Hmmm so who get da biggest brain? it is always about size...lol

Wildy summarised well. Tanug you. I was watching this program once about the human reproduction, it turns the clit and the penis orginate from the same organ. The only diffirence is that once the baby sex is determined, the organ protrudes outward if the baby is boy or inward if it is girl.

LooL@lazy... Didn't see as type that likes to be pampered. Jiinoleey...Yes I have right. The right to go out with da hottest chick.

^^^Hmmm, that's an idea

^^^^Well, she saw me checking her sista out. Laakin in my defense, I didn't know that was her sista. Da problem, I run into da wrong sista!

Originally posted by Paragon: ^^ Maybe not idol worshiping but the concept of nationalism is dead ma is tiri sxb. If I understand Redsea better, what I understand of his words, I would say he is advocating for the Islamicity of Somaliness over all else. This meaning, one should make the criteria of his/her Somaliness be based on shared-Islamicity, secondarilly strengthend by other common factors (such as culture and language), instead of making these other factors the priority, to arrive at a faith-based identification of our society. I find nothing wrong with that, to be quite honest, because nationalism as a criteria gives way to regionalism (Puntland and Somaliland), which inevetably gives birth to clanism, hence divisionism. To avoid such divisionism, then, wee should use faith as identity. I don't think Somalinimo (as an ideology) is sacred cow, but I believe it had won us our freedom from the colonial powers. Men and women had given up their lives so that the future Somali generations could live in peace and prosperity. It was Somalinmimo that brought together those freedom fighters who won us our independence. To them, Somalinimo wasn't bunch line or a way to make it to the top of the food chain. It was SINCERE effort to see their people liberated. To catergorize their sincere efforts as idol-worshipping is an insult. Let's not tarnish the legacies of those truly embodied the meaning of Somalinimo just because those inherited that legacy failed to understand what it truely stands for.

^^^loool...waad isma mahadisay

^^^^Mr Redsea, It is disturbng saaxib. Society so quick to sacrifice its young. N we don't have the support of all Muslims. Duke...Waad qoslaysaa, that could actually happen

Turki is not politician.

Duke......Do you have an actual thing to say about the ruling?

I respect your Surwaal gaabs, but please don't come here and tell us Somalinimo is idol worship.

all this fitnah kinda defeats its purpose anyway.. You ain't the one initiating the fitna.How does it defeat the purpose?

^^^Wixii danbi galoo dhan. Definetly that would include indhocadde and Co.

Ma is cafinaa oo yaaban waxba laga soo qaadin wixii dhacay Cafas Ma xumo laakin waa inaa danbigii lagakay kow la qirtaa, kuwii la galanay wa inee ku caafiyaan. Dadka qarkoodna in lacafiyo ma qumana ( Jees, Morgan, Aided, Yeey, etc) Agreed Naxar.

My point exactly Naxar. We might not killed any northerners. We did nothing when they needed us the most. I don't remember the Somalis in Xamar demonstrate against the massacres upto north. They did the samething when Mudug was being destroyed by Barre. I think the sooner we Somalis come to accept our own demons, the better off we will be. Forget about the evils of other Somalis, look into your own mistakes and crimes.

Saaxib...Adiga shiqsi ahaan kaama hadlo. Soomaaladi Xamar joogtoo dhan sheegayaa. Bal maxii qabteen markii reer Waqooyi labaabiinaaye. Midakale, dadkaan aad ku haysid Hargeysa and Beledweyn lagu abuuray. Soo Dagaalkii Somalia gashay masoo bara kicin. Soomaalow dhanbaa danbi gashay including you and I.

^^^Saaxib, cut da qabiil crap. It makes you look retard!

Kamal...You missed the point duqa. What have you done to stop the massacress that were committed in Hargesya and Burco. The reality was majority of your so called peace-loving people couldn't be bothered with the tragedy that had befallen on our northern brethens. Reer Mogadisho were complacent. And lack of empathy atleast in my book makes guilty as well.

Cut people Axmed iyo Kamal.

what makes you think it will be limited only to the south? I was thinking in terms of the immediate effects. But surely, this will be devastating for Somali regions (including those under occupation). Kamal....Calm down duqa. USC alone is not at fault. All Somalis are guilty. Where were these peace-loving folks when Hargeysa and Burco were being bombed to the stone age by Rhodesian mercenaries.

Suusaa sangalo sii daaye