It makes sense to pay attention to the capital since it's the only region that is totally at the hands of the federal government, and the stability and the economic growth there will expand the influence of the government which in turn will make it easier in the future for Turkey to invest elsewhere. Turkey is a traditionalist, they prefer to deal with a government that resembles them. I'm sure they have an interest in making the Mogadishu the center of power not a week entity in the middle of wrangling federal states.

burahadeer;940640 wrote: Khatumites etc,Remember 1988 when you were cheering Abe Siyad's policy of extermination, now the shoe is in otha foot, only difference being you are treated more than equally and yet threatening with all the bad you would inflict upon us.You couldn't do any with siyad's armaments cos you were wrong & can't do any today cos you r absolutely wrong again.It's ok to dream evil but the consequences will be up front with your eyes wide open.Sad saga of somali politics in last 40 yrs squarely rests upon you and CO. Now keep rewriting history with the much familiar words...."nothing happened & no one was meant to be uprooted!!!!" People like you is what makes me not to take Somaliland's aspirations for independence seriously. You were victims of a brutal regime and despite that your militias committed horrendous crimes on your march to the east in eastern Sanaag. I usually see this blood thirsty tribalism in other forums, we need be better than this.

Things are getting more interesting, I hope he follows through. If this is his final word then why is the Somali president wasting his time negotiating with Somaliland? Shouldn't he concentrate his energy in building a functioning country first?

Oodweyne;939894 wrote: ^^And the reason pirate boys are never going to be allowed to become Somaliland citizens is that they are cowardly ninnies with a thieving mentality at best; and at worse they are the remnants of the legendary "defeated lot" of the Somali history. Classy. What will prevent the eastern regions of Somaliland from demanding reunification with Somalia (although it's becoming less attractive by the day), the integrity of British Somaliland is not a foregone conclusion.

That will ease the paranoia of certain people.

That was a very quick revision.

Mooge;939713 wrote: another relative of qoslaye. Really! It's great to be a relative of the president these days.

A Somalia wide referendum is not logical, but even allowing a referendum in Somaliland will be a Pandora box in Africa and open the door for many secession movements that have bigger grievances than Somaliland. Even a framework for a referendum could prove very complicated and and make it impossible especially in the eastern regions. I find the idea quite ludicrous.

STOIC;939265 wrote: this will be utter disapointment in Silanyo adminstration if they attend it.No matter what excuse they can come up with nothing will beat attending a confrence chaired by Somali president! So for Somalilanders get ready, there's a train a comin' You don't need no baggage, you just get on board .All you need is faith in Silanyo adminstration and you just thank the Lord.....haha You set yourself up for disappointment if you view things that way. In your view If Somaliland chooses to attend the conference chaired by the Somali president then they are debasing themselves, but what will happen if they don't attend. Don't you think (especially after this meeting) that you're risking marginalizing yourself further and alienating an important diplomatic power. People love looking at things in terms of symbols instead of substance.

DoctorKenney;938749 wrote: Our competition isn't with each other This is some idealistic claptrap, the behaviour of the Somali people around the world and inside Somalia leads me to believe that tribalism is inherent and competition between ourselves is inevitable. That's why I prefer a federal system, let federal states compete ( though I think they should compete in more worthwhile matters not presidential palaces) let them compete in infrastructure,education, safety and industry. You see this competition everyday here, between Somalilanders and other Somalis, between Puntlanders and other southerners. I hope that one day we will evolve to be more cooperative , but competition is better than nothing.

Why not call for the withdrawal of all foreign troops? I hate it when "elders" who don't have the education or wisdom interfere with governmental and regional issues, you inject all the ugliness of the early 90s back into a situation that needs diplomacy and extreme care.

There is a lot of hypocrisy in this thread, but in the long run the people of those regions shouldn't overreact to the ebbs and flows of the Somali/Somaliland talks, If we learned anything from Somali history agreements are not worth the paper they are signed on.

I appreciate the sentiment, but they are long way from actually having an affect.

Tallaabo;938012 wrote: Somaliland's borders are colonial and have international legitimacy. As everybody knows borders are not sacrosanct, I wish Somaliland would spare itself the headache and just try to secede with whomever wants to secede. Based on the pictures both "presidents" look happy, let's hope it stays that way.

*ANWAR*;937989 wrote: I see only wasteland with 2, 3 new buildings I have to agree with you, it's unfortunate that both Puntland and Somaliland are arid deserts.

well, I appointed myself a suldaan recently and I reject Somaliland, why isn't anyone reporting it?! Some of these "rejections" are just a power play, the only power that can actually stop Jubaaland is Gedo.

I don't get it, are there any federal states in this so called FSG? This guy loves to complicate things, every time they appoint an administrator for a region they get rejected, how do they expect to enforce this in a short period of time?

Is everyone and their mother a Suldan these days? If I go to Somalia will I qualify?

NGONGE;936727 wrote: ^^ 3. Somaliland represents all those regions since the Somali government did not demand that the distinction be made before agreeing to sit for talks. You can't arbitrarily claim that Somaliland represent Eastern Sanaag and Khatumo. Those regions didn't hold elections and are not directly represented in the Somaliland parliament. You can claim sub sub clan out of nowhere claiming allegiance to whoever is paying them money but if you think that the people of that region will have no say in their future, you are greatly mistaken. I find it hypocritical of Somalilanders to want self determination but refuse it to others. Not that I think secession will happen anyway.

Xaaji Xunjuf;936706 wrote: Legend most regions in SL are all shared there is no region in SL where one clan or sub clan clearly is the majority. That's not true. If you conduct a referendum based on tribal lines say Maakhir, Khatumo, Awdal, and the rest of Somaliland you can see a huge chunk of Somaliland choosing a union with Somalia. I thought you accepted a village by village referendum.

Good luck to the people of Juba, they deserve to have peace and prosperity. Who do you think will be the president? They have to choose wisely to insure the cooperation of all three provinces.

I was a big time lurker in this forum but does Carafaat suffer from a split personality or something? He is all over the map, he supports the government and the same time criticize this clannish nepotism.

If we look at things historically all Somalis should evacuate the South and leave to the Bantus.

I wish that the actual people of that region would discuss their issues, not some outsiders who look at things from a tribal or geopolitical point of view.

I live in Edmonton and it's dangerous to be Somali in this city, the filthiest and worst criminals come from all over Canada to traffic drugs in the corridor between Calgary and Fort Mac and they end up dying. Most of the deaths are Somali on Somali killings as they don't seem to have any inhibition to kill each other, it's really embarrassing.