Yes, they do! Bombing an entire city, desecrating mosques, raping women, and massacring nomads! And in the case of Ethiopia, massacring its own Somali population! Mind you, AS wasn't even a problem when Ethiopia invaded the country to overthrow the courts.

Apo. I already said they have became the menace and need to be eliminated, but that's not excuse to massacre innocent Somalis unless carpet-bombing Xamar or killing geeljires is just dandy. Miyir. Again, nobody denies Somalis did serious damage, but how does excuse what Ethiopians, Ugandans, and Kenyans did?

Miyir. Let's diminish or deny the crimes committed by these countries. 'They were fighting Al-Shabab' is not a valid argument. You can't mourn the lives lost today while diminishing the suffering of the Somali caused by these countries. This is while saying what one rapist does is okay because other rapists commit the same crime.

Miyir. I actually agree with you, Al-Shabab has became a menace the moment they start terrorizing the general public, it's one thing to attack a foreign army or the SNA. In any case, Al-Shabab can only be defeated by viable Somali state, "inviting" these countries only exacerbates the problem and as we see it today, they put their people and economies in jeopardy. The world had every opportunity to help establish a proper Somali army, but no country wants that, least of all Kenya and Ethiopia. After the Ethiopian occupation and not to mention the many years of Ugandan presence, you would think people would appreciate the fact it's ONLY Somalis that can fix this problem.

Miyir;978810 wrote: its war innocent people are killed unfortunately Well, unfortunately, these innocent Kenyans are casualty of that war. On different note, do you sincerely believe foreign powers will defeat Al-Shabab? It seems a bit naive!

They should have consulted with Ethiopians before venturing into Somalia.

Miyir Right, the Somali public asked Ethiopia and Kenya to invade the country so they could be massacred. How hard is it for you admit the crimes committed against the Somalis? Nuune. It certainly up the ante. It is unfortunate though.

I never justified anything, but when you attack a country and massacre its people, what do you think is the likely reaction? Unless you were okay with Ethiopians and Ugandans carpet-bombing Xamar and Kenyans massacring innocent geeljires.

One thing has been clarified on his end as far as the Constitution is concerned though.

Ill-equipped and ill-trained forces, but to be fair, how do you prepare for an attack on mall?

Never understood Somalis justifying the atrocities committed by Kenyans, Ugandans, and Ethiopian. If you don't acknowledge the suffering and the humiliation visited upon our people, you are in no position to preach to others.

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As long as there is a conflict in Somalia, there will always be a space for every group. Mind you, Al-Shabab is a mere symptom of a larger problem. No amount of African mercenaries will 'liberate' Somalia. However, things are not looking good for anyone.

Ali Dheere on Westgate Attack

The time honored tradition of Somali bashing.... Every Somali is racist but me, every Somali is ignorant but me....

Figures, you seem to be living in the clouds.

A senior figure in the Somali militant group al-Shabab has told the BBC it carried out a deadly attack on a shopping centre in neighbouring Kenya. Al-Shabab, which has links to al-Qaeda, said the attack was in response to Kenya's presence in Somalia, where its troops have been fighting the militants since 2011. Earlier, Kenyan officials blamed "armed criminals", putting the toll at 11. However, the Red Cross says at least 30 people were killed and dozens injured. On its Twitter feed, the al-Qaeda-linked group said it confirmed it was behind what it called the "Westgate spectacle". The attackers entered the Westgate centre at about 12:00 local time (09:00 GMT), throwing grenades and firing automatic weapons. Dozens of shoppers fled; many were trapped inside. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-24191606

" kdf has killed thousands in somalia - a blatant lie" How do you know it's lie?

DEG DEG: Xarakada Al-Shabaab oo sheegatay Weerarka Suuqa Ganacsiga ee Westgate Xarakada Al-Shabaab ayaa goor dhow sheegatay weerarka ka dhacay Xarunta Ganacsiga ee lagu magacaabo Westgate Mall ee ku taal bartamaha magaalada Nairobi, halkaasoo duhurnimadii maanta ay gudaha u galeen rag hubeysan. War goor dhow ku soo dhacay war qabadka Jowhar.com ayaa sheegaya in Afhayeenka Shabaab Sheekh Cali Dheere oo qabtay shir jaraa'id uu sheegtay weerarkaas, isla markaana ay u daba mareen Ciidamada Kenya magaalada Nairobi. Gees kale war qoraal ah oo la soo dhigay bogga Twitter-ka Al-Shabaab ayaa lagu sheegay weerarkaas, iyadoo Ciidamada Kenya lagu eedeeyay inay xasuuq ka geysteen Soomaaliya, kadib markii ciidamadooda ay ka weerareen, bad, berri iyo cirba. "Mujaahidiinta waxay galeen gudaha West Gate, inay Kenyanka kula dagaalamayaan gudaha dalkooda, 100-qof ku dilnay dagaal wali socda" ayaa lagu yiri barta Twitter-ka Al-Shabaab. Hey'adda Bisha Cas ee dalka Kenya ayaa sheegeya in ilaa labaatan ruux ay ku dhinteen weerarka, hase ahaatee Booliska Kenya ayaa sheegaya in weerarka ay ku dhinteen 11-ruux, 29 kalena ay dhaawacmeen. Kooxaha dableyda ee galay Xaruntaas Ganacsi ayaa la sheegayaa inay afduub ahaan u heystaan dad dhowr ah, isla markaana aanu wali howl galka soo gaba gaboobin, waxaa ku hareereysan ciidamo boolis iyo kuw si gaar ah u tabababaran dhismaha howl galka ka socdo. Ciidamada kala duwan ee Kenya ayaa ku sugan dhismaha xarunta, iyadoo saraakiishii u sareysay ammaanka ay joogaan dhismaha Westgate Mall, waxaana la sheegayaa in dableyda Hubeysan ay dabaqa kore saaran yihiin sida ay soo tabisay Kaamirada qarsoon ee loo yaqaan CCTV. Wixii warar ee ku soo kordha kala soco wararkeena dambe http://www.jowhar.com/news.php?readmore=1531

^What do you know about oppression?

Jacaylbaro;978680 wrote: Unfortunate minor clash ,,, But all is well as planned. Good job Somaliland Gov for outsourcing the false Somali old notes. False? hahaha

That's how they spell it https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/ministry-of-defence

Not you too Stoic, let Mr Caps and Saalax do the dirty work

It's not American English, Defence is right.