Originally posted by Khayr: Socad Badne, How much do they pay you to be a 'CHEERLEADER'? Well the UFOs don't really pay me to cheerlead for them. Them Kuffar UFOs instead give me intergalactic joy rides.

Originally posted by Ducaqabe: I think some of you forgot that Socod_badne is a neocon wannabe nomad who advocates for racial profiling of Muslims and believes Sharia laws are outdated and unsuitable. I'm not a neocon wannabe, I'm libertarian. Racial profiling is a reality and a necessity. If someone from South East Asian community commits a crime, you go to that community to search for the suspect. If from black community, you search for the suspect in the black community. If the white community, again you go to the white community. Common sense really. What is wrong witht the believe the Sharia law is unsuitable? Read the whole thing before you make a judgemental comments. I only made preliminary judgements based on the story as I first read it. There is nothing wrong with that. You're simply asking me not to think and I refuse [/qb]

Originally posted by liibaan: Whoa there, SB....Before you start saying that they think they're Allah and calling them "demi-gods" and sh*t...I don't agree with this from a first glance as well, but I'll reserve my venom for when I know the full story. Muqdisho is a city ruled by the gun and we have no clue as to how this whole thing started. I remember reading about this sheik wanting to close down this place because they were showing movies during ramadan and he didn't agree with it...We don't know if the cinema owner decided to retaliate or if the sheik started it. And if you were planning to argue like you are, you should have put this in the politics section. Agreed, we shouldn't be hasty to judgements. I probably was -- my emotions got the better of me. But not having all the facts is not legit excuse not to think or make provisional conclusions. Which is what I did. There is precedence here. Both in Somalia and other parts of the muslim world where self appointed wadaads/imams do outrages things while claiming to be doing God's work. I was right however in calling their likes demi-gods. They claim to be upholding Allah laws which are delineated in black and white in the Quran. What they did was not what Allah said in the Quran, hence their own. They took it upon themselves to decide what IS moral and what is not AND what should be done to those who break their morality laws, not Allahs...so how is that not mistaking yourself with Allah?

Why are Somalis judgemental? Because they're not introspective (I'm generalising).

Originally posted by Khayr: Well if the FOX shows'generosity towards others', then the muslims will think good of him and not see how that 'meat' that the FOX wants to share and show 'generosity towards others' was received in the first place and the muslims won't question the 'quallity' of the FOX's 'generosity'....hey CRAP can be GOLD as long as it is from the 'generosity' of the FOX-RIGHT! You lost me there. Especially the part: 'quallity' of the FOX's 'generosity'. What do you mean by that? Are you saying there is 'poor' or 'rich' generosity ? Can you give examples? And crap can not gold as you asserted. They're made of entirely different substances. The FOX and his KINGDOM will let you, the MUSLIM live in peace and tells you to promote 'PLURALISM' so long as it does not harm the FOX and intrude the FOX's Life, Business affairs etc. [/i] Nope. The FOX doesn't tell me what to do. And if it did, I have the freedom to accept it or reject it. The choice is entirely up to me. I have many options, among them is leave the FOX's hole and seek another hole. Even better option is make my own hole. [qt]Are you suffering from IDENTITY CRISIS saxib? [/qb] No. Why do you ask? Are you not proud of your ISLAMIC LINEAGE? I'm proud of my religion but not of its followers.

Now what is this I read about these wackos doing 'good work.' You gotta be kidding me? What 'good?' Is this the bizarre old world? Good is bad, bad is good? What the hell is going on here :confused: What we have here is wadaads gone wild! Someone oughta put a leash around their necks and keep close eye on them...they're clearly out of their minds. Killing over pixel ppl on screen. What is the world coming to, this is insanity! People like these wackos mistake themselves with Allah...what the bloody hell makes them think they have a right to tell what ppl should and shouldn't do? It is not like those ppl in the movie theater had guns to their heads, they were there out of their own free will. Paradoxically these demi-gods say they want to uphold morality but violate the most fundamental aspect of morality: the inviolability of life. When you have no respect for life's sanctity, you can't lay any claim to upholding morality...in fact you are the antithesis of morality, you are EVIL incarnate.

Somali cinema row turns deadly Somalia has been run by rival warlords since 1991 Heavy fighting apparently sparked by an Islamic militia's moves to close cinemas and video stores in the lawless Somali capital has left at least 12 people dead and more than 21 injured, local residents say. Clashes between gunmen loyal to Mogadishu's Islamic courts and local militia defending the densely populated Yaqshid district began on Saturday and flared again on Sunday. "The Islamic courts' militia are trying to close all entertainment centres of the district," one local resident Ahmed Dhuhulow told Reuters. Three people died on Saturday, and another nine on Sunday, in clashes that caused inhabitants to flee the area and shops to close, witnesses and a Reuters reporter said. Heavy firing could be heard from all over Mogadishu, home to one million of Somalia's 10 million people and scene of frequent street battles during 14 years of anarchy. "We have not opened the schools this morning, because of the shooting and heavy bullets which are falling down," said school teacher Abdullahi Hassan. At least two civilians, hit by stray bullets, as well as militiamen, were among the 12 dead, witnesses told Reuters. The wounded included a child hit by a bullet in the chest. Immorality Leaders of Mogadishu's influential Islamic courts oppose Western and Indian films which they say promote immorality in the mainly Muslim nation. In the 14th attempt to restore government since 1991, Somalia's new President Abdullahi Yusuf returned from Kenya this year, but has failed to impose authority and has set up base in Jowhar outside Mogadishu due to insecurity in the capital. Rival warlords have effectively run the Horn of Africa nation since ousting dictator Mohamed Siad Barre 14 years ago. Islamists have become more prominent during the absence of central authority in Somalia and want the government to ensure a new judicial system based solely on Islamic law. In Mogadishu, the Islamic sharia courts - along with customary clan law - are the only form of functioning justice. Politician's son killed In a separate incident, the son of a senior Somali politician was gunned down on Saturday, his family said. Unidentified gunmen shot dead Khadar Osman Elmi, son of the second deputy speaker of the Somali parliament Osman Elmi Boqorre, in south Mogadishu, they said. Speaker Elmi, who has just defected from a Mogadishu-based faction of the new government to the Jowhar group, told reporters he believed the killing was politically motivated. Besides the Islamic militia's hatred for Western and Indian films, politics may be behind Sunday's fighting, residents said. One house attacked by the militia was used during a recent visit by Somali Prime Minister Mohamed Ali Gedi, who belongs to the Jowhar group of the divided transitional government. web page ================================================ This is why religious fanatics should never come to rule. They obviously have no regard for human life and the precious sanctity of life slips past them like water under ducks derriere. :mad: They go on killing rampage over what? Images on a screen, the immoral behaviour of pixel people...what exactly?

Castro, You're dead wrong. I'm still fan of Einstien and there is not much I disagree with what he said. Although a Pantheist, he was not an atheist, paganist or polytheist like alot of scientists. He believed in one God. My understanding of Pantheism is that like us -- monotheists -- they believe in a single God but of different nature. The God of Pantheism is not 'personal' God and he is indifferent to out affairs here on earth. Johnny-B, Einstien was right in that one doesn't need a religion to have ethics or morality. Murder is considered a crime and inimical act pretty much across the globe, to even places where no organised religion exists. The first attempted codification of morality or ethics by humanity were non-religiously based. Religions too are source of morality and ethics. And this is undeniable. Whether christianity, judaism, Islam...all tell you what is right and wrong, what to do and what not to do. Not only that they compell you to do what is not eminently altruistic actions like giving alms, helping others, being kind to others...this appeal to empathy is one of the great inventions and attractions of religions. Where I disagree with Einstien is his suggestion a faithful's restraint from certain activities from fear of internal punishment or expectation of internal reward should make him unhappy. If this is true, then alot of ppl should be unhappy here on earth for we all are restrained by fear of punishment for our behaviours and activities. Do we not obey speed laws for fear of being ticketed? Do we not avoid stealing for fear of going to jail? Or kill/harm others? These are basically restraints on ppl's behaviours by the laws of their society, practically telling them what to do and not to do but do you see ppl being unhappy as result? Then, why should they be unhappy if the roles were reversed, and the restraining force on ppl were God's laws and not man's laws? I don't see the difference here. Back to science. Science is amoral. It can not tell right from wrong, bad from good. Science is both Dr. Mengle AND Dr. Salk. It is capable of doing great evil (the A-bomb) and even greater good (curing life threatening diseases). It simply a tool...a God damned good one, the best we have. This is why laws of ethics and morality -- both religious and civil -- are required to regulate science. To tell science what is right and what is wrong. The problem comes when science and religion ineluctably clash and collide in their respective attempts to sell a starkly different messages to the same customer -- humanity. Just like we have rules and regulations and to some extent unwritten rules and understandings whereever there is competition, the same is needed for science and religion. Some written rules and regulation maybe needed, I don't know. But I think somethings are eminently obvious and given common sense is allowed to prevail, inimical clash and collide won't have to take place. Science has no say on spiritual, after world affairs...religion has no say on the science brain surgery, string theory or deep space exploration. In the end analysis, it is the consensus of the society where the subject is debated that will ultimately decide. Science will always be told what it can and can not do by the society it is working for...religions have a major role in shaping a society's opinions and views on morality and ethics. Hence a need for both in a society. Preferably to co-exist in amiable fashion. BTW, this debate veered off course...any1 wanna debate Evolution theory vs ID theory :confused:

Originally posted by Bishaaro: Guy, you'r sicker then I thought, Akhh! I only said I was into necrophilia, so whatever revulsion you maybe feeling now, it's of your own doing. I DID say I'll leave the rest to your imagination...I guess that means you got sick mind! Right now I'm feeling: lackadaisical all Bishaaro's fault :mad:

Originally posted by Bishaaro: ^ so you have a playmate(s), or playing with yourself? I'm into necrophilia...I leave the rest to your imagination

Originally posted by OneEightSeven: I luv to women argueing... Please continue.......... Co-signed Socad_badne Laziegirl, You are a GODDESS and you rule my domain. Keep doing your thing, don't listen to these envious cretins. You know their kind. They're haters, they'll never appreciate true woman. Bishaaro, I don't like you

Foxy, behave!

frolicking

Originally posted by Simple Woman: we shouldn't emulate any kuffar people, no matter how humble or down to earth they are. Why not? I emulate kuffar ppl's generosity towards others they share nothing with, their empathy, their ability to foster lasting amity and social cohesion among the myriad religious, political and racial groups constituting their societies. I admire and wish we muslims could be as Inventful as them, as productive, as curious intellectually and pace setting, ground breaking in science and technology... They can feed, house, educate, provide jobs and security, oppurtunities, peace, decent governance, polarity and tolarance to their ppl. What is wrong with emulating any of that? My sense is that ppl who say we shouldn't emulate kuffars say so out of reflex...a knee-jerk response without any forethought. The West is not Evil, they are NOT the crusades. Times have changed, so has everyone. Let go of atavistic hatred and mistrust. Isn't it interesting that muslims world over would accept a move to Kuffar lands in a blink of an eye? That should tell you something.

Originally posted by Uma: My question to you is, What do you think of this? Women are now part of bombing and exploding! She'll probably serve time. But female suicide bombers are nothing new. Palastinians groups used them in the past, so did the Tamil Tigers -- the trailblazers of suicide bombings. I've heard of cases where male suicide bombers are dressed as pregnant woman to slip past security checks. The modus operandi for these groups is avoiding detection, not gender or class.

Originally posted by Khayr: Salamad, I was reading something earleir this week how the mukhabaraat subdued muslims. who's the mukhabaraat? they sound baathist secret police.

What are they suppose to do? How should they defend their people from people who have no regard for their lifes let alone those of others? It's easy to criticise but what is the alternative to current counterterrorism tactics and laws? Keep in mind that the ppl they are trying to stop are regular muslims up until they blow themselves up. How do you identify potential suicide bombers from the sea of muslims? Put yourself in the shoes of Western security forces, how would you deal with this problem? It is not an easy job. The only reason we don't see more suicide bombings is due to the bravura of western intelligence and security forces. No other reason!

Originally posted by OneEightSeven: Socod_Badne, Sxb listen up, its all great that your supporting your team and that. But you have to remember that football is a game,messing around with the Almighty 's name and Angels is a sin and bordering on shirk if not shirk completely. Safe the cosmic debris gooner fan! :mad: this is a WAR and in times of war every1 is entitled to call on God and his angels. You gooners and ManUres did the same when your teams were winning trophies. Don't let sour grapes cloud your judgement. There is nothing 'shirky' about saying/believing Allah is helping my team. I believe Allah helps me when I write exams. In fact angels whisper into my ear and say, "the answer is A not C you ***** !" Or it is just my imagination. Get over it. Your team is pathetic and will remain pathetic. While Chelsea will win champions for many years to come. Don't hate, appreciate and acknowledge. Isn't that what you gooners used to say to us? Lol!

SB welcomes you from depth of darkness. (don't ask where that is)

Originally posted by Khayr: Salamz, Has any nomad wondered about how funnerals are done-HOW MUCH A FUNERAL COSTS? Now, why the hell would you 'wonder' about funeral costs among all the things to wonder about? Khayr, do you plan on dying anytime soon? This is deeply disconcerting to say the least. Someone oughta keep an eye on Kheyr. I pray for you!

Originally posted by liibaan: Opprobrious? :confused: Meaning "one who tells funny jokes" ,I guess Where did you get those emoticons,SB?They're kool You guessed wrong. Opprobrious is SHAMEFUL. Here is where I got those avatars you liked: http://emoticons4u.com/happy.htm

Iga, This is for you: Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind -- Einstien

Originally posted by Sky: Has your Khat been stolen by another Farax? Is your Xalimo mentally abusing you 24/7 and you want a divorce without financially getting raped? Short in cash and you thrown yourself in front of a car to get fast money quick for another round of Khat? Has your Bariis & Baasto restaurant been shut down for poor hygiene? Did your competitor, the Pakistani cabdriver Akbar mess with your cab when you were chilling in Starbucks with the other Faraxs? Has your Jamaican neighbour filed a lawsuit against you for calling him Adoon and Jareer after he found out what those words meant two weeks later. Have you recently found out firsthand that a Chinese woman and Somali man in traffic is a disaster waiting to happen?

It is remarkable achievement. Wish they'd given her more than mere $500 :mad:

"Why Mr I.M.Lewis advocates for the dismemberment of Somalia" Didn't you hear the news? He converted to Somaliland's dominant clan. There was lavish ceromony about it where 1000 camels, sheeps and cows were slaughtered -- Xalal style and supervised by our own cyber Shiekh Alle-Ubaahne. More impressive was the list of invitees. They included Miss Somaliland (Hmmm...woof!...woof!), el presidente Fidel Casro, George W Bush, Tony Blair, Ariel Sharon... reserved seats for the apparitions of: late Pope John Paul II, Siyaad Barre and Mengistu. It was quite an event, I'm surprised you haven't heard about it at all I.M. Lewis for Somaliland is a ruse by them -- you know who