Aeronwan, What is feminism? It is a term with variegated meanings. But the broadest meaning I think is this: equal treatment among the opposite sexes before Religion, Law and Society. Under that definition, feminism-- in moderation -- CAN be a moral force. What is amoral about equality? However, there are couple of things I disagree with in your first post which I'll comment on later.

Yes but only after Somaliland rejoins Somalia.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: I wonder if this guy is Jaajuus who happen to work volentarily with the agents, or he chooses so because he doesn't like his people, or.. I realy don't know, but help me nomads identifying, if any, the traits and characteristics of Jaajuus people. It seems one would need more than a leap of faith but perhaps touch of paranoia too, to link ones over enthusiastic patriotism for his adopted country and him being a jaajuus. Honestly, I can't for the life of me understand why you would think he is jaajuus. Is it because of his excessive love of his country? If so, then rest assured he aint ever gonna get the chance to jaajuus as he'll be in line waiting till his time to depart this world comes. There are millions and millions of americans like him. Part of being a jaajuus (a good one) is working in incognito. It's self-defeating for any jaajuus to give away hints of his double life, don't ya think? History of spaying would say so, most spies have always tended to be those you least suspected. So maybe it's YOU, Alle-Ubaahne, that is the jaajuus and this is one big smoke screen. Hmmm...Alle-Ubaahne with all his homilies and preaching -- with the intention of making himself look like a good muslim -- was actually a facade to disguise his REAL mission here in SolNet -- to spy on his fellow nomads. A thought to ponder for ya'all. Not for me, I have decided! I don't trust this Allah-Ubaahne bloke. Sorry, he is a bit too hinky! I'm gonna watch what I say from now on. I'll read Faatixa before I log-on to SolNet. The most comical part of your post was this: "he chooses so because he doesn't like his people" and with a GOOD reason. Why should he like you, from what you write it looks like you have nothing but contempt for him. Besides we somalis don't like each other. So much love produced 15 years of chaos and petty clan warring.

Originally posted by Khayr: You can flatout say-IT IS AGAINST MY RELIGION! Of course you can, laws are meant to be broken. You can break any law you like. But when you do, you must be ready to face the consequences. You can't pretend you just fell from the sky and don't know anything. Are you Khayr? Will you go to prison for your believes? I'm not disobeying any of Allah's commands since I'm against hatemongering. To the best of my knowledge nothing in Islam permits hatemongering. If you want me to get you transripts of what I mean by hatemongering, I can fetch up some for you. By denying that 'some' imams spew hateful words in our HOLY places, you are leaving me with no choice but to conclude you're being dishonest. Once again,I don't mean to give the impression this is wide spread or even a major problem, it isn't. However it a problem that exists (and a thorny one in the light of the recent rise of Islamophobia) nonetheless.

Originally posted by ALexus.: Developing such feels via the internet is unhealthy behaviour that needs to be looked into. Looooooool@unhealthy What leads you to say over the net relationships are 'unhealthy?' What do you have to say about those that made it work and are now together? They seem fine and 'healthy.'

Originally posted by Wordette: Love in my view enriches life, nourishes the soul, makes you and those around happy Maandhow, Love, much like liposuction, sucks and molests indecently innocent hearts . Looooooooool@avatar Ok. What do you propose as an alternative to love then? * cross my fingers it's not enmity *

Originally posted by ALexus.: Love isn't ...Especially not for Somali's. Since they take advantage of such a feeling. I agree with you in tote. Leaving aside the fact what you say above paints all somalis with same brush -- there're somalis like myself who believe in love --, you make a valid observation. Love as a concept is very alien to most somalis. It is exploited and often looked down as sign of weakness.

Originally posted by Libaax-Sankataabte: This debate was about the legitimacy of Alleubaahne's habaar and it was going ok until Socod-Badane turned it into a play ground for questioning the basics of Islamic belief. I feel like a lone cat in a kennel

Originally posted by Rahima: Although I’m sure this will come across as rude (it is not my intention), don’t bother. roger that

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: Now, my question is are you one of them, the ultra-secularists at large in SOL? No, I'm not part of any group. I follow my conscience, common sense and deen as I see it fit and don't give a whit about what anyone else says.

Originally posted by WinningEleven: oh and i suppose Abrahomervic is gonna go to heaven with a chelski season ticket yeah?? No, roman will repent and revert to Islam in his deathbed...Allah will forgive him and grant him a first class ticket to heaven. So will the whole of chelsea team! Insha'allah

Originally posted by Khayr: But what if they are justing read an ayat from the quran and really not speaking 'JUST THEIR OPINION'. :confused: Don't give me that jive. You know I wasn't refering to your 'average' imam, performing innocuous religious duties. I'm talking about Imams who were caught with their hands in the cockie jar. With video and audio tapes nailing them in the act of hatemongering, calling for death and destruction, instructing mosque attenders to kill civilians, kill women and children...the whole gamut I'm sure you're familiar with by now. Hatemongering from holy prelates?!?!? I'm sorry but when I go to a mosque I expect the Imam to better control of his emotions then mosque goers. I expect him to diffuse tensiosn , anger and rage, not inflame them with firey sermons. Where is the wisdom in telling the solution to every problem is righteous vengence? These threats can only be stopped when accusations of apostasy are listed as the hate crimes they are and made punishable by law. I don't know about that but if you live in Gaal land and it is unlawful to utter accusations of apostasty, then you shouldn't accuse. That is my view, respect the laws of the nation you reside in or leave. Anyways, accusations are worth dime a dozen! Anyone can accuse anyone of just about anything.

Originally posted by Rahima: I can see where this is heading. You are going to dispute that the word ‘hijab’ is not literally mentioned or something along those lines. This is just word, basically women have to cover that which is prescribed in the Quran and further explained in the Sunnah, some of which you do not believe in so I’m not sure how we can have a productive discussion if we don’t even agree on the sources. Of course you'd know where this is going . Why shouldn't you? My asking for quranic validation was a give away, a hint to you that I knew there was NO quranic verse demanding that muslim women wear the hijab. The Hijab is not synonymous with modesty, there are many ways a muslim woman can be dress modestly and yet be Hijabless. Or semi Hijabed. Or even better in my view go anti-Hijabing. Options for modesty are aplenty, options to exercise modesty -apparently- are amiss. You're spot on about my rejection of the hadiths as the final say on what muslims should and shouldn't do. I have my reasons but that is beside the point. The Quran is the single uniting source for all muslims, from all sects and sub-sects. Consequently, if the Hijab is as important as you make it out to be, one would venture there be an injection in the Quran -- the unambigious words of Allah -- propounding its institution. But there isn't a single Quranic verse obligating Hijab donning. Therefore, to muslims like myself and others who don't believe the Hadiths are the words of Allah have more then a leeway in rejecting the Hijab, we have valid arguement and justification backed by Allah's words or lack of. I'll respond to the rest of your post later, I'm strapped for time. Peace and ramadaan kariim

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: Somaliaonline shouldn't be allowing such people who clearly support the enemy of our religion, who are no different than Ayan Xirsi. You mean your religion? These extremist and ultra-secularist elements amongst us are testing our patience when they blatanly support the views of Allah's enemy and yet worse expect us to accomodate some rooms for their callous passivity about Islam. Safe the appelative for its rightfull place for a moment and answer me this question. Who are the extremists and ultra-secularist you're talking about?

Hats off to Jose 'the special one' Mourinho...he is slowly turning Chelsea into unbeatable winning machine. Did you watch the game vs Bolton over the weekend? 4 goals in 9 minutes!!!!! I think it is safe to assume by now how things panned out so far in EPL that Chelsea will retain the title. I don't know about the cup competitions though. Anything can happen. Who would've predicted Porto and Liverpool as CL champs in 2 successive years, huh? To the ManURE fan above my post: Man United will be relegated. Van Horseface will leave the horse track. Christiano 'look at me' Ronaldo will hush away crying to mommy. Roy 'the dino' keane will go extinct. Fergie 'the red nose' will fossilise. Malcom Glazier will sell ManURE to buy his way to heaven and redeem his rotten to the core soul. Oh yeah, almost forgot 'The Shrek' (rooney): Anger management, what a looney! Chelsea "The Immortals"

Originally posted by Curling Waterfall: There is a certain 'cloak of ignorance' that needs lifting here. over who?

Originally posted by Rahima: A person who knows for example that Allah has stated in the Quran that we women adore hijab and then at the same time calls it a "black cloak of ignorance" is not to be excused with ignorance. Where in the Quran does it say muslim women must wear the Hijab? This goes the same for those who are mocking the hijab right here in this thread. I hate it that they do so, but it is their opinion and really have no reason in terms of my responsbilities on SOL. Rahima, I got no beef if you wanna wear the Hijab. I got no bone to pick with any muslimah that wants to wear the hijab either. If by wearing the Hijab you and other muslimahs feel your completing your religious obligations, who am I to tell you you can't? No body! I fully support your right as a muslim woman to wear the Hijab. I'm surprised you took exception to my blithely, bland personal preference for the dirac (what man would prefer Hijab over see-through dirac? C'mon now rahima) over the Hijab. I'm stumped!!! I also support the right of OTHER muslim woman not to wear the Hijab. The operative word being CHOICE. And a choice upto the individual muslimah. Not society, holy prelates, self proclaimed Allah's translators/intrepretors, me or you. Because there is NO COMPULSION in religion as Allah has said so in the Quran. On the practical side, you can not force FAITH. No amount fear of punishment by demi-gods (holy prelates) will make someone believe or love Islam. Faith in Islam is something born out of learning, searching, questioning, doubting, contemplating, experiencing, feeling, gaining, losing, stumbling...FREEDOM being absolutely essential. Take away that freedom, force the person to behave in such and such way YOU deem religiously righteous and you step outside the realm of faith and into the realm totalitarian ideologies. One akin to fascism and communism. When the state (or religious authority) forces its citizens how to worship or society coerces the faithful by stern promises and veiled threats of ostracism or extreme social isolation, the faithfuls obedience and loyalty lies with Man and NOT with Allah -- as it should. In fact, he is worshiping man and not Allah. He fears Man more than God. Since whatever he does is done out of fear of being punished by his fellow man and not Allah. That is not faith! That is dictatorship! It is the for the explained reasons above that I FULLY support the separation of state and religion. So, rahima, my percieved slight against the Hijab --which you have whoppingly misread -- stems NOT from objection of the Hijab per se but from the attitude I sense from you and other Hijah-for-muslimahs promoters which is that the Hijab is UNIVERSAL dress code for muslim women. Or should be. The Hijab is not universal fig for muslims across the world. Never has been and there is every reason to think it will never be. The question really is: will YOU accept a muslim woman's choice of dress if it was up to you?

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: ^We don't understand midget and cockfight. Plus we are simple somalians, who are ESLers, so let's make it simple in Somali. Throw the somali version at me now! There is no somali version! So what is your take based on your vast and extensive knowledge in Islam about midget throwing as sport and cockfighting? I wait for your reply.

Originally posted by Khayr: Salamz, Do you agree, disagree with them? Agree with them completely. And the imams calling for death and destruction of kafirs AND fellow muslims IN Darul Harub should be expelled (warn them once or twice, if they persist, kick them out). They're no different from Nazis. Canada expells former Nazis and leaders of neo-Nazi groups.

Originally posted by Johnny B: Don´t you worry SB, just wish me a nice trip , am back in 10 days , and despite the circumstances i promise you , you´ll enjoy every minute of the disarmament of the eNuri troops. Have a nice trip, just don't get lost cause I wanna see you take on eNuri troops. Lol!

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: Next Habaar is going to be aimed at someone around here, if they don't stop bothering Burhaanta iyo Barakada shiiqa! You can habaar me anytime. Go ahead, have a ball! But can you answer me couple of question that've been bothering me? Is midget throwing haram or halal as sport (given the midgets aren't forced)? Is cockfighting haram or halal? Do the gamecocks have to wear helmets?

Originally posted by ALexus.: quote:Originally posted by Socod_badne: quote: Originally posted by Nazra: My older brotha’s think I am a drama queen :rolleyes: He's right, you're attention seeker! Get a life. Was that nesscary? I don't see why not. You think it's unwarranted?

What happened to Athena :confused:

Elysian, Gongrats From now on you'll get:

This is an outrage! I demand a recall! :mad: