If this drags long enough and Ethiopia complicates and compounds the problem as I think it would , those supporting Ethiopia today will inevitably support a new group or dissipate into whatever group they support leaving the TFG as is or not even weaker. Nothing good could come out of this.

^How does having same features as Kibaki is an insult?

He looks like Kibaki

Twenty one Somalis including me responded to this thread. Are we to assume all of us are the exception? A case of everyone is guilty but me! That said, I don't know what went wrong with qurbajooga, the Somalis I grew up with in Somalia were by no means rude. Of course they were rotten apples.

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^Woyanes and Kikuyes won't and can't get them. But if Somalis with credible leadership can sort AS, by all means. I just don't buy into the idea that Ethiopia and Kenya were coming to Somalia to liberate. The sad thing is you have many on SOL who oppose AS but can not agree on how to get to rid off, they are rather support Pland, Azania, Galmudug, Ahlu Suna or what have you than fall behind the TFG and pledge their loyalty to the state. If AS is defeated, your undoing will be clan or regional loyalty.

^I will try it more regularly and see how well it works.

Peace Action....It's not matter of who's patriotic, it's matter of you guys going against history, a history that has proven foriegn intervention brings nothing but misery to Somalia. You could use AS as boogeyman but at the end, Ethios and their juniors partners will not bring you peace and certainly will not defeat AS not because AS is strong but because AS is Somali and will just melt away to fight another day while new factions that are beholden to Kenya and Ethiopia spring up undermining the very TFG you are supporting. There's already contest over who will control Beled Weyne.

STOIC;769640 wrote: Rumor has it that his excellency the president is coming to DC per official invite by the state department...We are arranging a separate welcome occasion for him....and maybe i will fire one or two questions to him about all the noise from Awdal and SSC..... looooooooooool...our Sijui has officially joined the bandwagon. We have will NGONGE gadaal kagaar to give you the orientation:-)

^lool...you are smitten haye:-)

Zack-The world wants to contain Somalia's problems in Somalia. This has been the policy for longtime and will continue the policy. The involvement of AU, IGAD, Kenya and Ethiopia is nothing more than making money of the fears of the West while furthering their interests. At the end of the day, no one is interested in stabilizing Somalia as it's no one's interest except Somalis. Mark my words this will end in failure much like all the intervention before it unless sensible Somalis come to the front and wake up the masses from the coma.

Ciidammada maamulka Dooxada Shabeelle oo bartamaha Baladweyne ku dilay laba saddex qof oo shacab ah Isniin, Jannaayo 02, 2012 (HOL) − Ciidammada maamulka Dooxada Shabeelle oo ka mid ahaa ciidamadii ku wehlinayay kuwa Itoobiya dagaalkii lagu qabsaday degmada Baladweyne ee xarunta gobolka Hiiraan ayaa maanta ku dilay degmadaas saddex wiil oo dhallinyaro ah. Wararka aan ka helayno Baladweyne ayaa waxay sheegayaan in saddexda wiil ee la dilay ay ka mid ahaayeen rakaab la socday gaari ka yimid degmada Gaalkacyo kuna socday magaalada Muqdisho. "Ciidamadu waxay kala soo dageen saddexda wiil gaariga, waxayna ku toogteen buundada dhagax-jabis oo dhanka bari ee magaalada ku taalla," ayaa laga soo xigtay ilo wareedyo ku sugan degmada Baladweyne. Saraakiisha ciidamada Dooxada Shabeelle ayaa sheegay in saddexdan dhallinyarada ay ka mid ahaayeen xoogagga Al-shabaab iyagoo sheegay inay go'doon ku ahaayeen galbeedka degmada Baladweyne ayna la socdeen dhaqdhaqaaqooda. Degmada Baladweyne ee xarunta gobolka Hiiraan ayaa waxaa gacanta ku haya ciidammo Itoobiyaan ah iyo ciidammo kala duwan oo ay ka mid yihiin kuwa Dooxada Shabeelle, iyadoo falkan uu noqonayo kii ugu horreeyay oo ay ciidamadan ka geystaan Baladweyne. Ciidamadii dilka geystay ayaa la sheegay inay halkaas isaga tageen, iyadoo ay weli yaallaan maydadka saddexda dhallinyarada ah ee la dilay goobtii lagu toogtay, waxaana tani ay cabsi weyn ku beertay dhallinyarada ku sugan degmadaas oo ay muddo sanooyin ah ka talinaysa Xarakada Al-shabaab. Maxamed Xaaji Xuseen, Hiiraan Online maxuseen@hiiraan.com Muqdisho, Soomaaliya

Does anyone any success with interval training?

I haven't known Somalis to be rude in the time I lived in Somalia. It seems the general sense of decorum has deteriorated with the war. It's sign of broken down society where all aberrations became the norm.

^Watching Ethiopian carpet bomb Xamar while sitting in Villa Somalia is the very definition of treachery. He could have said no, that's what separates leaders from pretenders. And you can't have both ways, either Yeey was the mastermind or mindless helpless puppet. Indeed God Bless Wikileaks, it completely debunked the Kenya argument that some on SOL touting around.

^We can have Zack answer this? loooooool or anyone that supports Sharif but opposed Yeey.

Jacaylbaro;769541 wrote: Just for the record ... LoooooooooooL...for the record indeed. Somalia....Yeey was traitor nonetheless.

Carafaat...Who's gonna wipe out AS? Zack....With arrival of Ethiopians and the junior partners, the country will be worse off. It's beyond me how you actually think Ethiopia will do any favors unless you want to live under their domain. There's an occupying force, AS will melt away into the general public and assume guerrilla warfare. And do you seriously believe Ethiopians and their minions will hand over their territories to the TFG?

Now, you love Yeey...loooooool We should record this fro GD.

AS is Somali entity party to Somali civil war-their crimes are not worse than those inflicted by the warlords, TFG and clan militias. Now if you want to fight the,, you know where they are and who they are. You know what clans make up AS and who are their leaders. Inviting Somalia's enemy and justifying their crimes under guise of fighting AS is simply treacherous. And sad the thing, you don't seem to learn, no amount of Ethiopian muscle will defeat AS and Kenyans and their errand Ghandi will hardly make any dent.

^Of all Somalis in the world, how could someone from Somaligalbeed support and justify Ethiopian invasion? What do you tell yourself. I like to know your rationalization?

So you are using AS to justify indiscriminate violence and rape against Somalis in Somaligalbeed and Somalia? How does it feel supporting your eternal enemy?

I was in a lot of pain and there was no doctor, until today I have not seen a doctor. I was held in the prison for three months, and raped on at least 12 other occasions, by different groups of soldiers. The commander of the base also participated in the rapes and beatings. We were all raped-the girls and the mothers. They brought new girls and women all the time, at least 40 girls and women were detained during the three months I was there. .After the rape, some of the soldiers continued beating women, others were strangled with a rope but they didn't die. In our group, we were shot. I was hit behind the left shoulder with a bullet. The army left us in the woodland. We were found by townspeople who took us to the town Yes Good stuff indeed HRW