<cite> @burahadeer said:</cite> puntlanders soon will have no say in Somali politics. You sound like Mohamed Yabarag guy, the guy who says Somaliland is on its last leg, the last nail on coffin.

The problem is, it sets unfortunate example for others to follow.

Gheelle.T I didn't say the Federal Government wasn't at fault either. It was wrong of them not engage Puntland, but Puntland's reaction was rather dramatic. We should not internationalize every situation. That said, how have you been?

Doc. The same domination will continue happening within each block. Examine each region closely, it becomes clear some will be marginalized while others will monopolize powers. The same problems whether real or imagined will exist. And the sad thing, such system will only benefit the elite; however the communities will blame each other for the elite's misdeeds.

^Got off your high horse. Timmalook. You are about one thing, no one can force anyone hence why Puntland can push its agenda on everyone else. Where did you get the idea the majority of Somalis support federalism?

Doc. I honestly think the problem is not what sort of system we choose to govern ourselves. It is about injustice, poverty and ignorance. Mind you, these mini-states might bring some sort of stability but the underlying issues will still be there. Within these mini-states, more than likely a group will try to dominate others and new resentments will bubble to the surface, a bigger problem reduced to many smaller problems with equal intensity. Only through real reconciliation, development and justice will bring lasting peace.

<cite> @Tillamook said:</cite> Now, if God in his ultimate wisdom and abundance chose to plant a certain contiguous segment of the Somali population-- who also happen to share a common ancestor-- in that part of the country, but did not do the same for the other federal states or prospective future federal states, then by all means, take it up with him! First of all, your not so subtle prejudice and immoral attitude towards fellow Somalis is noted. Secondly, the belligerent behavior by Puntland can plunge Somalia back into tribal warfare, both in the south and north. Any and all consequences of such possibility or outcome will be Puntland's responsibility. Lastly, the Somali Federal Constitution was never put to vote; Somali public needs to be given the opportunity to vote for or against it.

Doc. I think Americans and the West are betting on institutionalizing tribal federalism, hope being local governments might be in better position to secure peace without being threat to their neighbors namely Ethiopia. This is why Mogadishu is being forced to accept Jubba, South Central and now Central. Soon enough Hiiraan and Shabele will be merged. They are betting on this new experiment. It is not cheap supporting AMISOM. This may be the next chapter in our sad experience. One more thing, AMISOM has simply became too corrupt. Failure is in their best interest.

It's down to money at the end day. The mission is proving to be very expensive.

Seems unrealistic, but it seems the visit by the Security Council might have changed few things.

By David Lumu The African Mission to Somalia (AMISOM), a peace keeping mission operated by the African Union would be leaving Somalia in 2016, according to the latest assessment by stakeholders. Lydia Wanyoto, the Acting Special Envoy of the African Union to Somalia and Eng. Sheik Sayid Ahmed Dahir, the Somalia ambassador to Uganda say that the roadmap of 2016 would be adhered to and that by that time the federal Government would have developed capacity to independently run the affairs of the war-torn state. Sayid Ahmed said that Somalia is on the right path and thanked regional Governments, especially Uganda for ensuring that the conflict is subdued. “Somalia will have no more conflict in the coming years; and with the help our friendly countries, we are now ready to take full control. We welcome the capacity building trainings that our partners are conducting and I urge our countrymen to enforce what they have studied for the betterment of our country,” he said. According to Wanyoto, the process of Somalia becoming autonomous is almost achievable and that the only roadblock is the complete “flush out of Al-Shabaab” from the sea. “Going by the current projections, we are almost certain that we shall see take off in 2016 and according to our roadmap, AMISOM would be leaving Somalia in 2016. The target is achievable. So, as we clean out Al-Shabaab, we have the mandate to build capacity and this is a process we have embarked on,” she said. The two envoys were commenting on the AMISOM deployment in Somalia during the international humanitarian law training on Wednesday at Munyonyo Commonwealth Resort hotel yesterday where over 30 officers from Somalia National Army were equipped with techniques on how to handle civilians. In 2013, the United Nation Security Council extended the mandate of AMISOM to 2016. In preparation to leave Somalia in 2016, Wanyoto said that AMISOM has embarked on the third phase of training the national army with modern professional army strategies, especially changing their mindset from conflict-occupied to be more mindful of the human rights. These efforts are part of preparations for the 2016 general elections in Somalia. Uganda, Burundi, Djibouti, Sierra Leone, Kenya and Ethiopia are the AMISOM troop contributing countries. However, before the training started yesterday the thirty Somalia soldiers staged a brief protest demanding the organizers of the training to sort out their challenges related to travel, accommodation and other allowances. The soldiers briefly engaged the Somalia ambassador to Uganda in a two-hour closed meeting demanding that before he leaves the training, he should first sort out their demands. Later, Wanyoto and Sheik Sayid Ahmed told New Vision that the soldiers had “administrative” problems that they wanted addressed urgently. “There were administrative issues that we have resolved. Some faced challenges during their travel from Nairobi to Kampala. Their history is that of conflict, they are very sensitive people and dealing with them is not business as usual but we know how to handle them,” she said. Source: New Vision

War-Murtiyeed Kasoo Baxay Kulankii... http://somali.raxanreeb.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2014/08/2014820635441031174163797goamada-802x10241.jpg

http://www.garoweonline.com/page/show/post/141/somalia-puntland-sets-intl-presence-condition-for-talks-with-federal-govt Though Puntland's concerns might be legitimate; one cannot have a government within Government. This is the problem with tribal federalism.

Baarlamaanka oo taageeray barnaamijka ay Xukuumaddu ku dhigayso Hubka http://hiiraan.com/news/2014/Aug/wararka_maanta19-47945.htm

Please let's not politicize this very unfortunate events. Allah ha u naxariisto.

SOMALIA: “Puntland ready to open talks with the Federal government” repeats Puntland president Posted on August 18, 2014Somali News RBC ( Garowe) Puntland president Dr Abdiweli Mohamed Ali gaas has repeated his government’s willingness to open talks with the federal government of the country. Abdiweli Mohamed Ali Gaas, the president of Somalia’s semi autonomous state of Puntland has said that Puntland has been toiling and pleading for Somalia’s unity and is ready to invite the federal government on the dialogue table to instigate the cooperation between the two sides after the state has cut its ties with the central government. President Gaas has several other times called on the federal government on talks to reinstate the cooperation with Somalia’s foreign troops backed government, since Puntland government has suspended their cooperation with the Federal government after learning the establishment of regional state for central regions including Puntland territories. Puntland has alleged the federal government of Somalia of not acting in accordance with the Somali provincial constitution which Somali people have agreed on and rather creating crisis in the country that has suffered quarter century of civil war and chaos.

The young guy has it right.

Dox. Victorian is a period of time, en era. I think you and I simply disagree on the severity of the challenges faced African-Americans.

Doc. You cannot compare Victorian middle class to 1950s middle class. In any case, Victorian middle only represented minority among whites or blacks. Besides, the Great Depression plunged millions into poverty. Only federal intervention saved many people and the World War II ended that recession. Today's middle has its roots in 1944 GI bill where millions of returning veterans were given money for education, mortgages and businesses. Uncle Sam rewarded his white boys and the greatest economic expansion in history was ignited. Unlike their comrades, the GI bill did not benefit black vets. Exclusionary laws and discriminatory bank practices practically denied them everything. In other words, they faced structural/systemic racism. It is one thing for the average person to be racist but when the Government itself enacts discriminatory laws and practices, it is hard to overcome that. Blacks simply had no access to resources that could kick start economic mobility. None of ethnicities you mentioned faced the level of racism and exclusion as the blacks did. The Jews in Europe were excluded from many economic activities but they had niche industries mainly money brokers or the middle men, the Armenians in Ottoman Empire (before the genocide) were not systemically excluded from the empire. They were part of the civil service, had important positions at the highest level, so much so, Ottomans became jealous. They were not banned from trading. Nothing matches what was done to African Americans. It is amazing they survived at all.

Firstly, I don't know where you get the number of 90% of black males are in prison. That's highly unlikely. Secondly, the Irish and Chinese were economic migrants. Nobody put them to boats and sold them like properties in foreign lands. Thirdly, the black families never had stable existence. During slavery, families were torn apart as they were sold from one owner to another. During the civil war, families were also split. There was some stability during Jim Crow, but poverty and indentured servitude to former slave owners made life difficult. During the Great migration, families were further separated. Blacks did find economic opportunities in the North through manufacturing jobs but that ended when the white boys returned from World War II and the white flight to the subarbs. Speaking of dependency, America's white middle class came into being cuz the Government helped in creating. It was not just through hard and organization that made it happen.

Doc. You seem to be under the impression that blacks chose poverty and violence; things are far complex. It is hard to recover from slavery, Jim Crow, the Great Northern Migration, Civil Rights attacks, ghettoisation, war on drugs and other systemic issues lack of access to good education and employment. Why do you know how the white middle class came about?

Doctor, things don't happen in vacuum, this has been brewing for decades and this killing was last straw. As looting, it was by a small group and community its has come out against the looting. They actually helped the victims of looting. By the way, when the cop stopped Micheal Brown, he was not aware if Micheal robbed anything. The outcome would have been the same whether Micheal robbed anything or not

This is a very simple, it is about the treatment of African Americans by the police. Through experience and research, it has be proven the police unfairly targets black males because of certain look and skin color. The media also perpetuated the idea of angry black men. When The Media Treats White Suspects And Killers Better Than Black Victims http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/media-black-victims_n_5673291.html By the way those of you condemning blacks and siding with police, it will be very unwise to side with cops without serious scrutiny. police views dark skin people not as people to serve. but simple as a threat that needs to be deal with and if necessary neutralized