Shujui! Bro, I didn't say that we or any muslim should sit back and allow humuliation, prosecution etc. My point is that these people who are claiming to be fighting under the banner of Islam ( Bin Laden, Xibu Allah etc) are in fact using counter-productive methods. Like Shyhem said, we have no leaders and we have no unity... so why creat problems for an already fragile nation? Surely, if you are planning a mass attack on the enemy ..... should at least take time to think about the out-comes of your actions..... how will bombing a hotel resort in Kenya help the Palestinians in Gaza? As for the media... Most people can actually see through all the propaganda. You know what they say, any publicity is good publicity. I got this letter from an islamic publication the other day... apparently since Sept.11 the number of inquiries regarding islam has more then doubled. I think it also shows 'moderate' gaalo loving muslims.. what ppl think of them. Hopefuly, this should give us more reason to unite! Salaams Mujahid.. Long time bro >As we are taught in the diin, only fight if they fight you for the sake of Allah not for a flag or >nationalism. Thank you! But most muslims fight soley for their countries and not only that; The majority of so called muslim states support gaalo over muslims to serve their financial interests. What is interesting, is that they use the 'islamic brotherhood' when theyget into trouble. As we see in Iraq.. for years Saddam killed and totured muslims. Now he is claiming that his ex-best friend America is attacking him beacuse he is a muslim... what a lax! >Anything not done according to Quran and Sunnah fails. Look deep into yourself and just be >concerned with yourself until you can call yourself a proper practising Muslim. Meanwhile, pray >for our brothers and sisters and do what you can to help them, send money, raise awareness >of their situations and etc. True that, good advice... We should all be striving for to do just that ..... In sha Allah. Ya Allah ! Set Bait Al Maqdis free, help all Muslims who are oppressed and give us victory both in this world and in here-after - Amiin Amiin, walaalo Amiin! Barwaqo, Until then my sweet qumayo

It is really disgusting to see Muslims mis-treat others on tribal lines. The other day I've come across this website called www.midgaan.com which highlights the hurt main somali clans cause to minority clans. It is really sadenning walahi and really hope we change our attitudes towards each other.

Those of you living in the UK (and other parts of the western world) are properly familiar with police discoveries of yet another terrorist cell in London and other parts of the UK. Judging from the latest news flashes it appears that the only criminals out there are Arabs (North Africans), Jamaican gunmen and the odd freaky white dude- but they don’t count I am really annoyed with these so called ‘mujahids’ who seem to have adopted an aggressive approach to what they call ‘jihaad’. First there is no clarity on who the enemy is? Is it the civilians or the government? I ask this, as usual the targets of these ‘mujahids’ are innocent civilians. Secondly, the perceived results of such acts of faith are rather ambiguous. I mean what do they hope to achieve from suicide bombings? ……. pissing off the worlds super powers and what are their bargains? :confused: I am no fan of America. And as much as I’d love to see their empire fail, I can’t help it but to think that the very people who are fighting against Americanism are as a matter of fact helping them. Not only, does the killing of innocent civilians contradict the Islamic teachings it also makes things worse for the Muslims Ummah. A hadith of the prophet (saw) advised us “do not to be delighted by the actions of anyone until you see how he ends up” A swift glance at the post Sept. 11 Muslim world indicates that these so called ‘mujahids’ are in the practical sense striving against the cause of Islam –peace. We have Mr Bin Laden to blame for the fall of the Taleban regime (not ideal but better than most). More damagingly, these heroic acts of terror (if I may call them that) has given the very enemy of Islam a perfect excuse to wage war on the Muslim world and at the same time help America serve its personal interests :mad: :mad: The recent incident involving the suicide bombing of a holiday resort has lead to a more ferocious treatment of the Palestinian people at the hands of Israel. In a sense, this stupid act of heroism also constructed some proof for Americas speculations regarding terrorists in the Horn of Africa. Finally, these risen or is it ricen producers in London couldn’t have immerged at a more perfect timing. Just as the British government is debating it’s new (and not so friendly) Immigration policies and the war on Iraq. Our ‘heros’ plan a perfect scheme to (erm..ahem) perhaps upset Western control over affairs of the world (best my little brain can come up with- sorry). The only perceptible result of this plot is more hostility towards Muslims, arrests of several Muslim men, declined public opinion of Muslims and ethnic minorities and a set back for all those truly striving for the Islamic cause. I am sure Blunkett is feeling rather smug at this moment in time. :rolleyes: Now, my question is. How do we the average Muslims deal with such a bizarre and confounding situation?

I agree fully with Barwaqo! There is no justice in any war .. Unless it is self defence. But in general, the only people that war effects are the helpless members of society; women and children. Wars breakdown important structures in society and put pressures not only in the countries involved but all the neighbouring countries that have to deal with the increasing number of refugees. I mean, in all honestly how many more displaced refugees can the host countries hold? Isn't there already a lot of pressure on aid organisations? It takes years and lots of money to rebuild a country... so what is the point? It is really strange, we live in a society where the government is constantly targetting musicians and some groups for inticing 'hatred' advocating and 'violence'. The same government that is calling for the ban of rap music and making legislations forbidding parents for smaking their children ..... seems to enjoy bombing defensless countries. Damn, hyporcits :mad: I am a pacifist .. most of the time

LOL @ Baashi. I trust that you'll point me in the right direction...

LOL @ Baashi. I trust that you'll point me in the right direction...

Somalis are facing a lot of hardships in the west. Many of us don't relise this and make in-considerate and unhelpful remarks. Where I live, London, we have lazy folks and deadbeats but on the whole Somalis are Very hard working ... espcially the females

Originally posted by Raage: intentionaly put her hand over the other galz shoulder to show off her huge ring.(isn't that haram) :confused: [/quote Oh, so your a mind reader? You can actually swear that the girl was showing off her ring? And what if she did intentionaly show her ring to the camera? Thats hardly an argument for making such a stupid statement about Somali Women! And you are being sexist and prejudice about Somali women! Men (of all backgrounds) also have their episodes of glory hunting... my car is better, my girl prettier, I am a better baller, player etc.... Human nature huuno, get used to it. And sisters, if you got it, flaunt it

Originally posted by Kool_Kat: Ameenah, must you rub it in my face... :mad: Don't remind me those dayz, cuz I get depressed of how long ago they were... Too long... Gee! Kat, I didn't relise you were that old .... how old are you again Oh! don't look at me like that .... just pulling your leg babes. I actually hated being a Teen. I can do with out all the rules, and the silly comments by the elders and not having your own credit card or cell :rolleyes: Yep, life is so much better on this side...the only miss is goofing arround without having to explain urself....

Originally posted by Kisima: In here they think differently and when this subject come out the first word you here is "ENGLISH ROSES" and off course Diana would be the top of the list not only on the category of beauty but also among the GREATES BRITON ever lived. To my dissapointment they voted Winston Churchill as the greatest Briton ever lived. Well, He did get them through the gruelling Wold War 2.. and he wasn't even a Prime Minister. I personaly think that Lady Di. was overrated by the British. Okay, she was the prettiest in the Royal household... big deal :rolleyes:

lol@ Kool Kat ... dare I offend you when your so serious? I liked how you handled these kids though.. sometimes they need to be told! I wasn't calling U ciyaal... but hey it is good re-visit the glory days sometimes iniit?

Interesting Mr Libaax. That was a nice article. I don't know to what extent I buy into idea of hearing "voices", she was either a Schitzo or did't recognise her own thoughts. May she just complimented the dude.. what ever the case.. she has my respects. I've always had a suspicion on the rumoures they made about the Somali Araweelo. I doubt that any woman is mean enough to castrate men. But I suppose the 'farax's' had to have a very good case for being ruled by a woman. Just like the Brits couldn't handle being beaten by a woman. Oh the shame of it all

lol @ Kool_kat and they call you cool cat because......? I think this topic is for the teens... I bettah get me arse outa here before I start beating ppl with my dacas :mad: :rolleyes:

^^^^ agree with you again. I am actually getting bored of constantly agreeing with ya I think that you can certainly, have both but it takes longer, I guess! Personaly, I've always fancied the idea of being my own boss. I doubt that I'll be able to realise that dream with a helping hand of an extremely wealthy husband.... At this point in my life I have other priorities, so I haven't given it much thought.

^^^^ agree with you again. I am actually getting bored of constantly agreeing with ya I think that you can certainly, have both but it takes longer, I guess! Personaly, I've always fancied the idea of being my own boss. I doubt that I'll be able to realise that dream with a helping hand of an extremely wealthy husband.... At this point in my life I have other priorities, so I haven't given it much thought.

Originally posted by Khayr: Salams, For any sister, the biggest contribution you can make is towards raising a family. 'A Women's Castle is her Home' Oh! Puh ... lees :rolleyes: Anyways, Mr Mandela once said that education is the great engine of personal development. It is through education that you become all those great ppl in our society ....... It is what we make out of what we have, not what we are given, that separates one person from another. Cool init! And as for entrepreuners ... one would only need to posses common sense and the drive to succeed.... most rich dudes aren't even educated !

Originally posted by Khayr: Salams, For any sister, the biggest contribution you can make is towards raising a family. 'A Women's Castle is her Home' Oh! Puh ... lees :rolleyes: Anyways, Mr Mandela once said that education is the great engine of personal development. It is through education that you become all those great ppl in our society ....... It is what we make out of what we have, not what we are given, that separates one person from another. Cool init! And as for entrepreuners ... one would only need to posses common sense and the drive to succeed.... most rich dudes aren't even educated !

1. Myself - I identify myself primarily as an individual .... 2. Muslim These 'identities determine my culture but arn't as importnat as the ^^^^ 3. Somali 4. Black African - 5. British .. but not English! 6. Dare I say, 'Caseeri'?

I'm speechless!

lol@ Barwaqo Lose my feather aaah? I just had them groomed nayaahe ... maad waalatey? Greetings to her 'Wilderness' Ur online appearance and raw sense of humoure is deeply missed. Whatever happened to your strange topics ... isn't the napping season over? Cabaro... pay rise .. is high on my agenda too babes... do U need help? what ever happned to hoooyo? Isn't Muna protecting her from those 'shameless' odayaal?

lol interesting :rolleyes: :eek:

lol@ Ilhaam, U know what they say... vanity is the mark of a fool. First they tell us we're stupid for not thinking a certain way... but then we r made to feel better with a dumb promise like that! let me know, if U spot any hunks or studs ... aight?

Muna :mad: Girl! You know so quit that... any way too far for my liking! Actually, he is getting on my nerves baryahan ... so I might change heesta! I think... Aaliyah's Age ain't nothing but a No. should be you song..... what do you say eh?

The area of Somalia that I would go to is pretty stable ... so me is saving up for my ticket. I doubt anywhere is safe in the world today. This morning my neighbour was telling me about a man that was shot near my estate the night before. We constantly hear reports of planned terrorist attackes ... our host natins are launching into war and the list goes on. No where is safe. So if I am gonna die ... I rather it was in Burco. But, In sha Allah khair.... better start working for akhira though, at this rate ama go straigt to .... shoot, look what you gone and made me do !!!!!

Originally posted by Shyhem: Who cares about somali youths anyway,afterall aren't we the folks who destroyed a whole nation and still hold the guininess book of world record for been the nation without a goverment for ten or more years Why must every discussion on society end with a debate about Somalia political situation. We are not bloody reponsible for what happened to Somalia so please take it to odayaasha! If you haven't noticed walaalo, the brother was talking about the youth in the diaspora. The Somali youth beisng discussed here are proprely your cousins, brothers, sisters, neighbours..... shame that you don't care :rolleyes: Northerner. Great. We have a few volunteers (students)working with youth clubs in my area. There is now a girls group and some of the brothers are starting something up for the boys. But it would be nice if the organisations that were supposed to do sort of thing took it upon themselves :mad: