^ I'd take life insurance anyday

Here is a solution - effective parenting.

Hello Ladies and Gentleman, Welcome to a Waterfall Party – amusing but pretty biting (hope you can take the pinches). I know you’re thrown off by the word ‘party’ in this holy and festive month, but I guarantee you its completely ‘xalaal’. Infact, we will make it so proper that we will reply in packs of 5 – 5 male replies followed by 5 female replies. Ha isku dhax yaacina hadaba, the free intermingling is not healthy. So come in, grab yourself a drink, a bite – courtesy of our head of catering NGONGE and lets commemorate the long and tiring efforts of one of SOL’s patrons. She is sweet, idealistic but perhaps most striking of all, vehemently against Somali marriages. For years, she has amazed us with her wit, intellect and complete lack of apathy for the poor Somali man. Not a lot of people understand her wry sense of humour, but those that do are known to go into an epileptic fit. Aeronwen, its good to see that you’re reached the 3000 mark and are the 3rd highest poster on this site. It confirms my hunch that you’ve nagging urge to twaddle. I’m not sure if this party is to congratulate you and tell you we enjoy your acerbic posts or to be kind and realistic and boot you out respectfully and tell you to get a real life…. Take your pick (or carefully analyse the attendees' responses ). Welcome once more and please help yourself to the hors d'oeuvres chaperoned by Pucca and Castro. No tips allowed.

Originally posted by underdog: I Don't need an excuse, my agenda is past the review and planning stages and full implimentation is underway. Being responisible for someones happiness is not a role thats up to you. the same weay you can't choose who makes you happy. Review? Plan? Marriage is a project to you? Shouldnt it just happen? What methodology have you used (could come in handy to some of us )?. Isnt marriage = responsibility. Anigu responsibility ma qaadi karo. The poor faarax wuu igu ag dhiman. I cant cook and I cant show love. How many faarax's are willing to settle for no food, no love?

^ I'm the only one who voted 'Because I don't want to be resposible for the happiness of another person'. Whats yours?

Ducaqabe, you made my poll inconclusive! So far, all the guys are partial to more than one woman which of course tells me they r prone to cheating (cuz they will NEVER have more than one ) And then there are the socially inept ones who cant find mr/miss right. Wey riyoonayaan kuwani. There is no such thing! The 'I wanna finish ma career' ones are just lying to themselves and have commitment issues. The same goes for the last two options. I feel sorry for the two who are inlove with ppl they cant have.

^ That last paragraph is rich. But we can move on. Lets face it, you'll never understand that half baked fatwa's, tedious copy and paste jobs and making implications that are far, far beyond your scope are at the very least in bad taste in pointless discussions. p.s. Enjoy the rest of your Ramadan as well.

^ You're a loser if after all this you dont see the error in your ways. p.s. nin iska dhig oo stop the useless insults, curses and booto on this site. Talking of this man this long and over his beleives while he is absent is tantamount to eating the flesh of your brethen. Orod tag awdalnews.com and send a quick e-mail to Bashir Goth if you have an issue with him as opposed to his article which is the point of discussion here. O you who believe! Avoid much suspicions, indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting) . And fear Allâh. Verily, Allâh is the One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful. "(49:11,12) backbiting: To speak spitefully or slanderously about (another).

I bought these the other day. Rough, ugly and just how I like ma boots. None of that softie PJ-like stuff.

Rahima, was that an attempt to mortify me? I’m only replying because I find it mind-boggling that you continue to bypass clear proof that habaar is not sanctioned by diinta and if your only claim to the otherwise is ‘some scholars said so’, then my dear, I feel for you. There is so much you can blind urself to whats right infront of you and twist and turn. As some1 said in a previous statement. ‘ignorant arrogance is one of the ugliest qualities anybody could have the misfortune of possessing’. What exactly are you attempting to convey with that irrelevant to the subject of discussion copy and paste? If you are: 1) Attempting to tell me that belittling and making fun of religious principles is something I shouldn’t make light of. Then dear, thanks. I know. 2) Implying that Bashir Goth is an apostate. Then let me say that Fatwas or religious addicts should only be issued by clerics with religious authority. Followers cannot label other muslims as apostates. I’m sure you know that if you label another Muslim a disbeliever, and if they are not, then you become a disbeliever. So if Rahima/Alleubaahne has logically deducted that B.G is an apostate and he is indeed not, then Rahima/Alle-u-baahne is. Still, the outcome is in your favour I would say, so wager on!! Also concerning (2), let me make you aware of your own previous statements If he says that he is Muslim, then certainly none of us here is in a position to dispute that If he says he is Muslim, then he is a Muslim I’m not willing to take the chance of making such a judgment on a person who the scholars have not made a decision on, be it Mr Goth or any other individual I don’t agree with Alle-ubaahanes branding of the man (i.e. that he is an apostate) simply because it is not for laymen/women to throw around such branding, but I agree that he is belittling Islamic principles and therefore is wallowing in evil. Lastly, have a second go at the hadeeth that I posted earlier. Then try and draw a link with ur ‘evildoer’ definition and here is the catch, read the commentary as clearly my point is about ‘cursing’. I cant continue in every post and rewrite my previous argument in bigger, fatter letters! but I have yet to see any establishment of wrong (for certain) thus far For certain? But you have seen an establishment of wrong then? Or none at ALL? So right and wrong is relative then? I cant stand ambiguous explanations, self-righteousness in religion, fruitless back n forth arguments and least of all ppl who contradict themselves at the least and are hypocrites at worst (And its said the lowest level of jahanam is reserved for hypocrites, not even apostates ) . No need for a fit, it’s a general statement.

LOL@Results. So far, the Xalimos are vain and the Faarax's are dreamers.

I just figured what G & A industries are. Cant say I'm too pleased with it Gediid. Maybe A & G

If marriage is half the deen, why aren't YOU married?

Originally posted by Gediid: ^^^^the only thing missing is a touch of your ingeniouty and mine of course....... Love the greenery and would settle there in a heartbeat and make it my business hub,how does G & A industries sound Athena.... Aha .... And I'A when the time is right, we will touch it. ahem.. whats G & A?

^ The one where we hold the holy texts with one hand and go against its teachings in the other. Right and wrong is not relative in Islam. 1562. Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) said: A drunkard was brought to the Prophet (PBUH). He said, "Give him a beating.'' Then some beat him with their hands, some with their shoes, and some with (a folded) piece of cloth. When he left, someone said to him: "May Allah disgrace you!'' The Prophet (PBUH) said, "Do not help Satan overcome him by uttering such words.'' [Al-Bukhari]. Commentary: We learn from this Hadith that imprecation against a sinner helps Satan because he is avowed to disgrace and humiliate Muslims before Allah. When a Muslim curses another Muslim and imprecates for his humiliation and disgrace, he in fact tries to accomplish the mission of Satan because in doing so Satan will have achieved his objective. Therefore, one should not curse a fellow Muslim even if he or she is a sinner. In fact, one should pray to Allah for his or her guidance. Rachel, habaar was never condoned on SOL before and hopefully it wont be condoned from now and become an established norm.

There is a certain 'cloak of ignorance' that needs lifting here.

alle-ubaahne who was tryig to earn some Ajar in wishing Halaag iyo Ibtilo not my Habaar which I assume has earned me alot of Ajar iyo Xasanaad.

boo!

Paranoid Personality Disorder. * 301.00 Paranoid Personality Disorder A. A pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following: 1. suspects, without sufficient basis, that others are exploiting, harming, or deceiving him or her 2. is preoccupied with unjustified doubts about the loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates 3. is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that the information will be used maliciously against him or her 4. reads hidden demeaning or threatening meanings into benign remarks or events 5. persistently bears grudges, i.e., is unforgiving of insults, injuries, or slights 6. perceives attacks on his or her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack 7. has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner

Choco, you’ve missed the mark by...erm.. miles. I’m not defending the points in the article. :cool:

I’m a bit surprised that some of you blame the Wadaad for waking the parents to these problems. Thought I don’t doubt brother MMA or the Sheikh but I’m terrified by that number. It’s a huge number and I haven’t heard of it as I am a resident of the state it took place. My 1st thought on reading ‘Wuxuu soo arkay qof ka shaqeeyo isbitaal’ was to picture him conversing with the janitor. Sorry, I have such a low opinion of Soomaalida. I wouldn’t sit here and indignantly say this is lies lies n more lies! But I think its scare-mongering more than anything else. I doubt there is a Somali doctor who specializes in abortions and therefore how the statistics came to be known as 40 is simply astonishing. Not to mention such information is private and confidential in hospitals and not ethnically categorized for the papers. I’ve a hunch the number is made up… but the problem definitely exists. So lets cut the ‘oh shock’ ‘horror’ down to a minimum.

Rahima, 1.What do you call an individual who makes fun of Allah’s rulings and does not repent? An unrepenting sinner perhaps? Yes. But I don’t see how this applies to Mr.Goth. He was dead serious in his article so there was no element of jocularity there. Secondly, you don’t know if he has repented. Infact, you don’t know anything about him, because what you call ‘mocking the diin’ is actually directed at certain self-appointed wadaado in S/land who impose diin in the most inappropriate ways. He is entitled to his opinion of these people. This article is more political as Mr.Goth dabbles in that than religion Rahima (of course you’d know this more if you were an avid reader of his website awdalnews.com). Thirdly, if you know about Somali Society before the 90ties, you would realize that most people held a similar view to Mr.Goth regarding the hijab. There is nothing in his article that’s actually not true of pre-war Somalia. That was how people understood Islam and dare I saw, they were not ‘evildoers’ but people who misunderstood diinta. 2.Do you agree that at least in this piece Mr Goth is making fun of and belittling rulings of Allah? Refer to last answer . 3.Do you agree that the definition of an evildoer is a sinner who does not repent? Lets recap your definition of an ‘evildoer’ 2 – Cursing a particular kaafir or evildoer concerning whom there is no text stating that they are cursed – such as wine-drinkers, those who offer sacrifices to anything other than Allaah, the one who curses his parents, those who introduce innovations in religion, and so on. As I said in answer [1], you don’t know enough about Mr.Goth to label him. Now I’d like to ask you a question. Going by the definition you’ve presented here, I take its safe to assume those who knowingly sin are evildoers. So, say… a fornicator, is line with a wine-drinker and is an evil doer? A woman who aborts her baby is an evildoer? Therefore Rahima, (and I’m not taking a pot shot at your moderating skills for such a gimmick is beyond me), on what grounds did you edit Sky’s post yesterday? He said his insulting/cursing was ‘driven by passion for his religion’ like Mr.Alle-u-baahne here. See my sister, this is my point about commonsense, for I certainly do not believe that you need to be a Muslim to realize what crosses the boundaries of basic decency. And I’m also sure, you’d agree with me that one needs commonsense to read and understand the holy texts. 4.Finally, if you agree that Mr Goth is making fun of and belittling rulings of Allah (and he has not retracted them) and that makes an individual a sinner who does not repent, then on what grounds is the label ‘evildoer’ wrong? I only agree that Mr.Goth is like any other oday of yesterday who misunderstood diinta and therefore doesn’t deserve any labeling or cursing by Mr.Alle-u-baahne or you here. Rahima, we have had a similar debate before, and I’m sure you’d agree with me that its gullible to accept everything posted under the guise of Islam online. The only thing we can go by here is where there is clear proof to the claim. There is clear proof to my claim that its not permissible from your own fatwa. There is none to your claim and its naïve to continue saying ‘these scholars’ (whose names I do not recognize) said so n therefore its true. Where is the proof? You’re right that I initially based my objection on my opinion. But I was raised a Muslim and I like to think I know the right from the wrong on such simple issues and my judgments on such issues come from my background. Lastly, we are clearly not gonna go anywhere if the only aim is to stick to ones guns and our efforts are wasted. And at the end of the day, what any1 says here matters very little where Mr.Goth is concerned . Therefore, I make a swift exit. I think I’ve explained myself and made my points very clear. I hope I've answered all your Q's with no cay . Alle-u-baahne, Brother, what you fail to understand is that I do not object to your objection of Mr.Goth at all. What I object to is your cay and habaar. Aaamiiin to Allah forgiving my sins And as is customary now.. lemme leave you with a piece you might enjoy reading by Mr.Goth Quick! Click!

Originally posted by Sky: When a black man curses Lil'Kim for influencing black girls to be promiscues, he gets cheers. Well obviously that doesn't apply to a Somali brother named Sky LoL. Perhaps you're right. After all, you're only insulting and cursing 'evildoers' ----------------------------

LOL. Maybe af soomaaligii wey ilowdey?

As impressive and tempting as the position and the Anti-Saudization Movement (ASM) sound, I think I will pass to be my own queen in my own kingdom (hopefully in good terms with both the ASM and SM )