Heshiskii hordhaca eeh Djibouti lugu gaadhay sidan bu u dhigna The governments of Somaliland and Somalia agreed to pursue political and peaceful means to resolve their differences. · The two sides agreed not to use diplomatic or political pressures against one another in resolving their dispute, which is centered around Somaliland declaration of independence. · The two sides agreed to respect the International Boundary between the two sides prior to the union of 01 July 1960, which will be treated as de facto Border between the two territories until final political settlement has been concluded. · The two sides also agreed to share the proceeds of the international financing on prorate basis, to be agreed upon, based on the needs of the two sides. · An International Fund will be set up to finance the needs of the two sides. The Fund will be managed by International Joint Committee and both Somaliland and Somalia will be entitled to their respective share of the funding.

We are not Arabs even if we have 2% of Arabs in our blood, but since we don't know the Arab DNA its self we are not Arabs, tracing ancestry to an Arab fore father doesn't make you an Arab, if the good old sheikh who lived 1000 years ago was an Arab, doesn't make me an Arab today. My people their mother tongue is not Arabic , they customs although heavily influenced by Arabs its still not Arab, our folkore dances are not Arabic although the seylici dance is mix of the 2 . Do you see where i am coming from. why are people fixated about arabs,nothing special about these folks. Haatu if Somalis were homogeneous as you claim why do they carry different haplogroups and genetics. Somalis are homogeneous in one aspect since they developed a common identity with the rise of islam in the Somali peninsula, but they are not entirely homogeneous when it comes to ancestry only linguistic and and religiously. Since Somali genetics proves that some carry the T1 T2 , some carry the E1B1C some carry the E1b1a, why are you refusing that there are some gallas who were adopted in the Somali ethnic group, genetics proves that , there are even afars and arabs , and Persian in the Somali wide ethnic group all proven by genetics.

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Taleexi the garaad clan , their elders and intellectuals miscalculated when they joined with Puntland they should have declared their own state, now Puntland will never withdraw their claims of the Khatumo regions. They will act like they represent, it most likely very impossible for Khatumo to battle both Somaliland and Puntland, if it doesn't get support from Xamar. And Xamar doesn't want to lose its stable relations they have with Hargeysa, so who would khatumo deal with , will it be garowe hargeysa or xamar?

Bring in the guns tanks figther choppers and ofcourse figther jets , well done:D

Wadani for instance me and you would belong to the same haplogroup , but because we are from the same tribe than later the later the same subclan we could also share the same sub clade sub clade because we share the same genealogy paternally, which is fascinating that the qabil theory is correct i have seen it before.

SomaliPhilosopher;924551 wrote: No test whatsoever should be conducted. We share the same language, culture, religion for the most part. We do not need to differentiate ourselves with these irrelevant genetic test Well thats the way we could know the true ancestry of the Somalis, i believe Somali is a very wide identity like the Arabs, who are all associated as Arabs , but many are assyrians jews berbers armenians canaanite phoenics ancient Egyptians with the Muslim conquest many became just Arabs so it became a wide identity. similar with the rise of Islam in the Somali peninsula lots of assimilation bantu gallas arabs persians afars gurage harari indians and other groups. Remember imam Ahmed guray conquest how he united the Somalis and other Muslim groups in Ethiopia and Somaliland. I think little before that that's when the process began.

Thats still very low but still my theory is still correct , that they carry all different haplogroups. Maybe we should do a nation wide test in Somaliland Somalia Djibouti and the Somali galbeed and NFD region that we have exact statistics.

Miyir;924528 wrote: Hahahah loving the arabs? this map is fake so the next one. all test done Somalis have lowest J1 and J2. less %2. Somalis are about 17 million the J1 is not an arab haplogroup , its also found in turkey and it originated from Russia and then Armenia , there is nothing to love arabs, , why would any one fixated with Arabs. And no one can exactly say what haplogroup is really the most found among Somalis , its just statistics and with the numbers we have. But these tests were not all done by Somalis, the Qabil theory is correct though some share the entire same sub clan while belonging to the same clan not sub clan very interesting

I think among Somalis 7% carry the J1 or j2 haplogroup just reading the statistics and about 35% carries the T haplogroup high frequency among Somalilanders parts of the Somali galbeed region and Djibouti and other parts of southern Somalia and than the last portion carries the E1b1b1a about 42% of the Somalis carries that haplogroup, and about 16%carries E1b1a, high frequency among the Bantu Somalis and Boraama oromos assimilated into the Somali groups. So Somalis are not entirely homogeneous, when it comes to tracing back our ancestries. This is what i think before the rise of islam in the horn, we were different people but Islam really united Somalis , while they were different yet islam united the Somalis by culture religion and they slowly developed their own traditions and language.

And then there is the E1b1b1a also found in large portion of Somalia

The E1b1b1c

This is the J1 originates from Russia

The T haplogroup

SomaliPhilosopher;924492 wrote: How accurate can such test be given geneticist have had very little access to the country over the past few decades Not all people took these test maybe less than 5% of the Somalis

Miyir;924490 wrote: according the last genetics study Somalis are most homogeneous nation. 98% of us carry African YDNA only less then 2% carry Arab YDNA, a hint coastal Somal-arab people. There is no such thing as an ARAB DNA or Somali or African DNA , genetics doesn't work like that E1B1C more than 40% of the Moroccon Arabs carry it also a huge portion of Somalis carry that haplogroup, also significant portion carries the T1 and T2 especially Highest frequencies among Somalilanders and Somalis from Ethiopia specially around jigjiga and diredawa. than there is J1 and J2 in many parts of the Middle east but its originates from Russia,It is not an Arab sub clade whats so ever because these Arabs have so many different haplogroups.

Mugabe is rageedi, the man is still fighting against European imperialism in his country send back all those English farmers back to their motherland Zimbabwe for Zimbabweans. Gadafi was Mental and very bad for the citizens of Libya that's why they turned out to be savages after he was Killed Mubarak was the biggest Puppet the Americans ever had in Cairo and i still think they miss him Zanawi was also Americas biggest puppet how ever he was very bad for the Ethiopians to, he divided them along ethnic lines

Give it a rest saaxib Ismaciil Cumar geele is the best President Djibouti ever had there is no opposition bunch a disorganized Mullahs , will not challenge the legendary geele

SomaliPhilosopher;924374 wrote: The doctor has a point. A double standard of praise for Chavez and condemnation of Barre seems to exist. Doctor, I think this double standard can be explained through the fact that the general ideals and values propagated by "Socialist" leaders such as Chavez and Barre are one of which we admire. Though when these leaders nastily infringe on the "rights" of its citizens as a means of consolidating power is when we begin to to turn this admiration to condemnation. As Somalis, we are able to criticize Barre because these infringements have been felt by us or people close to us in essence it is personal whereas the infringements of Chavez is something very distant to us, something that is hard to see or feel. So instead we can only see Chavez in the lens of his values and ideals. There are good dictators and bad dictators as i see it Good dictators Hugo chavez Isaias afewerki Ismael omar geele Robert Mugabe Bad dictators Meles zenawi Muhammad Siyad bare Gadafi Mubarak

Halyey Chavez was a true geesi,his legacy will live on in Venezuela

NGONGE i am not sure Wadani might have started as a weak opposition but when the likes of Dr Gaboose joined i am not sure, if the government can pull it off. By the way the Somaliland and Somalia talks is a separate road map, should not be confused with the conference. Also Sultan Faisal ali is unpredictable.

NGONGE this conference will be different it will be chaired by Hassan culusow and David Cameron the previous conference was not like that,what will Somaliland benefit from attending such a conference, so far the government was invited but they said we have to think about it. If they go they shoot themselves in the foot , both of the opposition groups are against this conference. I still have hope that Oday Siilaanyo will not make such miscalculation.

My favorite horse

Taleexi;924288 wrote: If history sums up to anything. There has never been a clear winner in Somali politics and in light of our social fabric there will never be ONE. All we need is a political justice, as long as that is absent; Somalia shall never see the light of normalcy. Nevertheless, the potential is there. Waka garaadki ba asiibay,, Abwaan na wuxu leeyahay sawnaga hagaagsan, meeshay sartu ka qudhuntay ba wu iska indho tiraya well said ya taleexi.

War maxaad ku qoslaysaan:D