Khadafi

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  1. Khadafi

    Somali Bantu

    Cadale;987966 wrote: Adigana your not an ethnic somali go back to cumaan inaar. J/k LOL cadale, I suppose you prepared the boat? Buraha itoobiya markaad adi ku noqotid aan doonta qaadana
  2. SomaliPhilosopher;987814 wrote: I hope there are more psychologist than physicists
  3. Khadafi

    Somali Bantu

    Ridwaan;987943 wrote: No offense to anyone when I say this, I speak from lack of knowledge in Somali clans, but what is a bantu? They don't look like the average Somali. I don't mind having diversity in the horn. They seem quite interesting. The Somali Bantu are Somalis with a history in Somalia. They are hard workers and their region is the bread basket of Somalia. This is not directed towards you Ridwaan but this thread has seen a scene of xenophobia and racism that's horrible. I wonder how we Somalis in the west who face discrimination everyday can have the audacity to be xenophobic.
  4. I never claimed that people are forbidden to pray at the mosque. And no, Saudi Arabia is not based on anything; just because someone is claiming it, doesn't make it true. Saudi Arabia deserves to be criticized as do all the other countries I've mentioned. just because someone is claiming it, doesn't make it true. Saudi Arabia deserves to be criticized as do all the other countries I've mentioned. Ditoore, Your man of ideal's and I love that but sometimes you need to smell the fresh coffee of realism. I have always loved ideals but sometimes they don't add up to reality. What I am trying to say ditoore is that islamic ideals with justice and piety is always good and ever lasting ideals but man is always doomed to fail by his temptations. It's a catchy phrase to say that Islam is the solution but when you ask that person further questions like "what do you exactly mean by that statement?, the answer becomes subjective, meaning that you can understand it in the way you want For a example, a Turkish AKP-supporter would probably also say your cathcy phrase but his way of understanding it, is far from Al-qaedas, or Taliban, or even the muslim brotherhood. outlook on the phrase. The turkish AKP islamists are far far away from the islamists of Al-shabaab. Do you see my point? Regarding Saudia Arabia, the only reason that I mentioned it was to make you understand how easy it is to use the beautiful name of Islam in order to boost up your credentials or even your politics. Did you know that Morrocos kings formal title is "Amiirul Mu'minin" (Commander of the Belivers). He legitimizes his rule by his claim by the formal "bayca" that take place in Morocco every year. You would probably object to his claims. Islaam, and faith in Allah is far above from the dirty realms of politics but it's ideals of justice and piety is everlasting. I have a firm belief that it is these ideals that will be a solution to our problems. So where do I stand in these issues? Well to begin with as I have said I have firm belif that the ideals of Islam is always needed in our society. We are lacking in education but we have a few countries that are a role model. Malaysia is a muslim countrey and are dynamic well functioning society. They were in the league of Africa in the 1960 but are now a high tech countrey that could be compared to the US or Europe. Let's find their recipe and how they did it. And Sheikh Qaradawi gave the answer. It's because of laziness and ineptitude, and because they turned away from their religion. I agree with you on this point, maybe we have failed the religious obligation to seek knowledge? I'am not an expert to say why arabs or even africans in general are in stagnation but quick answers would be apologetical factors like colonialism?. But so many years has gone since we attained our freedom, we cant simply always blame colonialism. And Egypt was not even 30% perfect during the time of Nasser and Sadat. Their countries were still poor, they still never produced anything, and they were whipped by the Israelis in several wars. They had nothing to boast about, and the reason why you may think this is because Nasser was a charismatic leader. But charisma doesn't mean results. And he got no results Your 100% correct, he failed in a sense regarding Israel but have you forgotten the suez crisis and how he managed to fight back imperialist aspirations? Another thing historically is that FNL in Algeria successfully one the war in 1963 at the cost of 2 millions dead Algerians. Nasser's anti-imperialist support and rhetoric was needed to ignite the Algerians, remember that France thought that Algeria was not a colony because of the 2 million french settlers. to sum it up, What I meant to say that Egypt's cultural influence is minimal in comparison to the 70-ties. I know you agree with me and Haatu here I probably agree with you in most issues but Haatu is another story. But this is so seriously off-topic. This is way too off-topic I agree but hey that is a discussion forum, marka ha la hadlo
  5. I firmly believe that the reason why the Egyptians and the rest of the Arabs are in the state they're in.....is because they turned away from their religion and they sought to establish secular states, burying Islam so as to make it irrelevant. You've seen them establish their secular political parties (such as the infamous Ba'ath Party of Iraq and Syria) and look at what these policies have achieved in the region! Nothing but instability, poor economic performance, wars and the like. . Ditoore, I dont know if you have ever been to Egypt but nobody forbids you to pray in the mosque, Though if your trying to get power, weather your an islamist, secular or communist whats certain that you will rot in some prison cell. If Sheikhs were the answer then Saudia Arabia would be answer right? The constitution of Saudia Arabia is as they say 100% based upon Sharia. Just as your video of Qaradawi, I do agree with him that we have not seen even a needle being produced by the gulf. Nassers Egypt was not 100% perfect but during his time the arabs could draw some inspiration from it. They (Egyptians) have gone from inspiration to zero influence. Remember that Egypt is the bread basket and cultural capital of the arab World.
  6. I was not chocked to see this, these horrible human rights violations do happen everywhere in the world, from the west to the east, but what's horrible is that a high ranking crown prince is directly involved in torture, and please. I wonder how these arabs are going to be when the oil runs dry. Another thing that struck me was that I was reminded of the investment-frenzy (DUBAAY) that struck the somalis in 2003-2006. Somali families were jumping on the plane and buying houses in Dubai. I dont know, but guessing by that video, an individual does not have so much legal rights in that countrey or less human rights. One thing is sure, I would not buy a house their. PS Please, No Violent racist remarks against carabtaani iThousands of Somalis do work and live in the Khaliij and sent very needed remittance money to their relatives in Soomaliya.
  7. What's sad in this imperial game is the loss of Egypt with it's former glory within the Arab world. How dwarfed they have become since Nassers time.
  8. I would tell them to invest more in general education rather then buy big toys Somalis love to talk big Weather it's in Hargeysa or Mogadishu, it's the same problem. Khat addicted nomads with weapons with a bizarre police uniform and no formal understanding of policiary work. PS: Xaaj according to international standards those who you want equip with aircrafts while lacking simple police radios are by legal definition "clan militia" and not policeman.
  9. Khadafi

    1977

    What makes me curious is what would have happened if the Soviet& Warsawa pact didnt intervene on Ethiopia's side. Somali troops and with its Soomali Abbo allies liberating Addis Abebba from Mengistu would have been a gamechanger in Ethiopias history.
  10. Khayr;984594 wrote: The idea of having a proof for something to be true is a very modern and science based thinking. Deductive reasoning is very limited. You need Inductive reasoning to see patterns and confirm things. In hadith classification, a حديث can become stronger if there are other similiar hadiths that come to the same conclusion. For example, the hadith about having three daughters and two and one daughter. The conclusion being that raising one righteous child can be a ticket to heaven. (If I used a wrong example, then forgive me.) The deen is based on experiential knowledge. You can't understand anything without having endured and tasted. The Ahl al tasawuf are all about that. The bizarre thing is that Haatu says "bring the proof", it's a catchy phrase that sounds good. But how can I as layman without the basic extensive knowledge of the quranic verses (tafsir, sababu.nuzuul, hadith etc...) make a sound judgement, should I just go to the saxixaynand learn how to pray by reading random hadithes about salat?. Now, we do not. We learn how to pray by the way explained by the mujatahadin. Haatu, sxb you should know that even the most deviant sects often have "proofs" for their stance. The way to salvation is by following the ijmaac (the common understanding) and being sincere to God.
  11. Nice to see law and order regardless where it is, weather in Mogadishu or Hargeysa. But Ibtisam the spelling is horrible, I never knew we had the letter "P" as in "POOLISKA" in our language.
  12. Haatu;983555 wrote: War awoowgaa la janneeye use 'He'. It's very uncomfortable to read someone using the 'her' pronoun. . Haatu, re-read the post again, remember that we are the created ones, our existence (knowledge) of the world/universe is only understood by our 5 senses, pronouns like her/we/he is limited to us, Allah uses these pronouns to show us that "he" he can not limited to a pronoun or anything. Why do you think it's uncomfortable to see someone using the pronoun "her" while at the same time you feel at ease with the exact same masculine pronoun "he". My friend, you failed the test, If you think of God as someone bound by time or space or by pronouns you should really check your faith.
  13. Stoic and Ibtisam, Here is my few coins on how Muslims should perceive God/Allah in comparison to the author's view that God is not a tribal vengeful one. God and his/her (remember that pronouns can never describe God) presence is un-explainable. Allah reminds us in the qur'an (Laysa ka mithlihi shay"). This sublime verse means that there is nothing can resembles Allah. When some people think of God they might think of a white bearded man with robes (Western thought) but let them know that Allah is far from that. In According to the famous mufasir of the Quran, Ibn Kathir The Quran in it's infinite wisdom tell's us that God uses different pronouns in the Quran, sometime God uses the pronoun "We" and other times "He". The wisdom behind this is to show us that God can never resemble or be explained by our limited knowledge. His/Her/Their attributes can only be understood by his majestic names. Marka, if Some think of Allah as a tribal vengeful God then that is by that persons limited knowledge of God. Allah's mercy is ten times more then his "justice", remember that divine punishment is always connected to justice, the man who commits crimes against fellow humans must reap the consequences of his deed, in order for him reap that God must be just, hence one of his majestic name is "Al-caadil" (The just) For very Sura God begins with the beautiful verse of Bismillahi Raxmaani Raxiim "In the name of the most compassionate and mercy one. Mercy and compassion is ultimately connected justice. Punishment by God is only a reflection of Mercy and divine "justice". I am sorry for the long theological input but I felt it was needed when under attack by that article.
  14. Stoic and Ibtisam, Here is my few coins on how Muslims should perceive God/Allah in comparison to the author's view that God is not a tribal vengeful one. God and his/her (remember that pronouns can never describe God) presence is un-explainable. Allah reminds us in the qur'an (Laysa ka mithlihi shay"). This sublime verse means that there is nothing can resembles Allah. When some people think of God they might think of a white bearded man with robes (Western thought) but let them know that Allah is far from that. In According to the famous mufasir of the Quran, Ibn Kathir The Quran in it's infinite wisdom tell's us that God uses different pronouns in the Quran, sometime God uses the pronoun "We" and other times "He". The wisdom behind this is to show us that God can never resemble or be explained by our limited knowledge. His/Her/Their attributes can only be understood by his majestic names. Marka, if Some think of Allah as a tribal vengeful God then that is by that persons limited knowledge of God. Allah's mercy is ten times more then his "justice", remember that divine punishment is always connected to justice, the man who commits crimes against fellow humans must reap the consequences of his deed, in order for him reap that God must be just, hence one of his majestic name is "Al-caadil" (The just) For very sura God begins with the beautiful verse of Bismillahi Raxmaani Raxiim "In the name of the most compassionate and mercy one. Mercy and compassion are ultimately connected justice. Punishment by God is only a reflection of Mercy and divine "justice". I am sorry for the long theological input but I felt it was needed when under attack by that article.
  15. Classified;983397 wrote: Lol. Nowadays, for Somali women, FGM and attacking Itheir Culture has become their latest quick rich scheme. They'll get a couple of grants from public and private funds. Send back home to do a short documentary. Get a book deal. Get some air-time on National news. Come back to the Foreign nation you call home and create an "Out-reach" program for "your" community and milk the system. They deserve a Mark Twain award for their humor. lol Classified, why should we not criticize regressive cultural traits in Somalia? FGM and other " negative" cultural traits should be discussed openly. Every society evolves. 1800-th century Somalia is for example not the same as today's Somalia. I of course agree with you if you mean the "Ayan-Hirsi" types who has inferiority complex. They love to talk and criticize aspects within our faith but remain stubbornly silent in regards to the Wests imperial approach to Somalia or other poor states. That'speople with a double agenda.
  16. Safferz;983369 wrote: You enjoy strawman arguments, don't you? Anti-intellectualism can mean a number of things, but here I mean it as the unwillingness to engage with perspectives, positions and ideas different from one's own and participate in productive exchange (whether that's a debate, or reading a text) and specifically the hostility certain SOLers towards 'thinking outside the box' as Ibti put it. Marching in here as Classified and Khayr have, hostile to even reading the works of the two scholars mentioned in this thread, is the very definition and practice of anti-intellectualism. No one said anything about agreeing with them, you read THEN you share your thoughtful disagreement. Safferz, I fully get you here, read and then comment. That sounds very logical and I have to admit I myself had that mentality until a wise person once said to me,. Our eyes and ears are the doors to the heart and soul, so take good care of them. For an example, Ayaan Hirsi published a couple of years ago a book. I saw that it was for sale in a book-shop. I wanted to buy the book and read the book but I then asked myself, Why would I want to give my hard earned money for a book written by woman that I really dislike for her opinion. I simply bought another book. PS: By the way I do not know who Khaled Abou Fadel is, My anology with Ayaan Hirsi might not be correct but I think you get the message Safferz. Regarding the article ibti, It was an interesting read. Horrible though that author did not mention the love-aspect of Islam. The knowledgeable Sayyida Rabiica Cadawiya, She was first in Islam who came up with the idea that we should worship God out of love and not fear. This was1000 years ago.
  17. The topic name tells it all. The dacwa in Somalia in other words "the message of islam to Somalia". I thought that Somalis were already muslims so skip the code words and rename the thread as "the state of salafism" in Somalia. We live in bizarre times, when foreign trained neo-salafis have the nerves to call Somalis as "mushriks" that needs to be re-islamised as if they were non-muslims. As for the grave worshiping thing never ever have in my life seen a Somali worshiping a grave. If you believe that interssecion (tawasul, asking God through the prophet) is shirk then that is your opinion.
  18. dhugfe;983209 wrote: I think the Islamic mortgage financing process is fixed and there is no two way about it. That process gets murky, however, when those “Islamic banks” try to alter that process to their advantage. For example, the monthly payment towards the principle (equity) should only cover the principle, remain fixed over the life of the loan and should be known in advance. Instead those banks try to make it variable to reflect the “market rate” which is nothing but interest and it increases the bank’s equity, which should never happen in this system. The only thing that is allowed to be variable, to reflect the “market rate”, is the rent portion which shouldn’t be a surprise because rent varies over the years. There is a bank called lariba here in the states, and at first glance it looks legit, but further research might be needed. There is always something in the fine prints. That's what I thought dhigfe!. Why would a bank lend you money and on top of that make no profit on it?. Let's say that they did lend you the money but you were not able to pay the loan, who is going to pay them (or insurance them) for eventual losses when the house is sold byforce?. I am not so good on economics but thats my few coins on it.
  19. Khayr;983135 wrote: All those movies have black males as slaves, servants or pitch black pirates. Great things to aspire to and recant about over and over again right? Hollywood doesn't give a damn about black history. They retell these stories and almost always and I mean always - there is a white protagonist that some how has the power to free that black person from darkness. I just don't get the stoopidity of these negroes that want to play the slaves or thiefs or servants. Could you imagine Brad Pitt wanting to play the role of a jewwish thief? No such thing right, I mean about a jeeww being a thief - ever! khayr, I think that Hollywood has done some advances. Every now and then, new hollywood movies has prime actors in high positions. One example is seeing black-presidents or scientists. Back in the 80-ties black males were always portrayed in a comical way or they were the first actors to die i a horror movie. I think it's good for one thing that Hollywood portrays the agony and social oppression that blacks went through. Just as Safferz said they were always portrayed as "happy slaves" that were on the sidelines in movies about the south. You maybe don't like the victim role that the blacks play. You might be right on that but that is the true dark american history. I guess that it's same thing with Jews, always being portrayed as victims in films about world war II. (well I guess they were also picked upon). One thing that Hollywood needs to make is a movie that the blacks are not victims. Why not make a movie about heroic blackmen that defied racism in USA during the civil rights moments ( They have probably made one but I haven't seen it)
  20. Haatu: So thats what your into? Watching cunug niikinaayo lol I would never thought that about our great salafi sheekh.
  21. SomaliPhilosopher;982670 wrote: Somalida waa reer guuraah. Getting a mortgage is the least somali think you can do sxb! +!... I have to agree with you somali ph. It seems that it's "un-somali" to be stuck with a house on a certain place for a considerable time. I remember during the late 90-ties when thousands of Somalis from Scandinavia were moving to the UK. A couple of years ago I saw the same family during an event. I guess they moved back to Sweden. That's how we Somalis are, if some hears the rumors that the others side of the river has gold, soon hordes of his family will be heading to that side. Positive things with this form a "euro-nomadism" might be that we would have a lot of more experience and be adaptable to new environments but I do believe that the negative outweighs more then the positive, moving your family and kids to different locations and culture will probably make them feel not belonging somewhere. To the thread starter: Regarding buying a house, I have thought about it, if my family would have bought a house in 1991 we would not need to pay rent now but I guess my parents back then were refugees who did not think that we would be here for 20 years. But unlike my parents I I or my generation grew up here and are well into the 30-ties now. Somalia seems distant and why pay rent if I am probably going to be here in Europe for another 20 years? Paying money for rent for 20 years is a lot of money, and not being able to sell the house your renting means that the house is not yours. You are in another words simply throwing away your hard earned money. Another observation that I have made is that the greatest socio-economical difference between mainly immigrant youths & native swedes is that the native swedes have great capital by buying a house and then when they are old giving it to their off-spring. A close Swedish friend currently lives in a big villa that he inherited from his family. He does not need to pay a dime in rent. The only thing that is currently holding me back from buying a house is my faith in God. I believe that taking interest or paying interest is forbidden but do not blame others if they do it. Hey its a free world! , everyone reaps what he sows. I have heard of Islamic banks but here in Scandinavia they are not so well established and are not an option but who knows.They might be a reality soon and if so I will be the first to buy a house. Ps: I am not so educated in how Islamic banks work but could someone explain how they finance themselves if they do not take interest?
  22. burahadeer;982438 wrote: ^^^Biggest lie !! Free education & health care as meagre as it was existed before him(infact many schools in the north were closed during his reign...your world centred around Mogadishu) and you guys seem to emphasize only Mogadishu but scortched earth policy was going on in the north till late 70s.Again it shows how you didn't acknowledge that disaster in the north back then and still wilfully disregarding.Only when Mogadishu(south) suffers is somalinimo relevant. Burahdeers : you need re-read my post. I simply stated that his regime was brutal and is ultimately the reason that the vicious civil war erupted. The regimes massacres happened all over in Somali and not only in the north as some people want it to be. The wells of central Somalia was poisoned and massacres were committed on every group that wanted to overthrew the regime. But you need to understand that if we compare the Somalia of Siyaad Barre and now, we are comparing between heaven and hell. Somali education was one of the best in Africa. Education in Somalia or Somaliland or Puntland (what ever land or region) is today defined by the one who has capital (Doolar). Only 20 % of Somali children actually go schools, higher education is non-existent and even those who exist are all private and are not recognized in the world. Hawdian: Your quite true that politicians before the coup had dreams of written Af-Soomali , but Siyaad Barre implemented it and made an everlasting cultural contribution to the Somali society. By writing in Af-soomali what was before only orally he somewhat made his presence e permanent. Even Somalis in Jabuuti and Itoobiya today use the accepted writing of Af-soomali.
  23. Tallaabo and Safferz: People will always be nostalgic weather for the good or bad. What ever happens, Siyaad Barre ( aun) and his brutal regime are part of the Somali history. Only by discussing its achievements and failures can we understand the present and change the future. The regime of Siyaad Barre included all Somali clans and we should blame each others then pointing the fingers on a single man. One of the greatest failures of Siyaad Barre is that he failed to seize the moment when his regime was crumbling. Rather then leave the city and immediately start negations with the rebels he took another destructive path, Axmxaarki Mengistu ayaa ka fiicnay. Siyaad Barre and his regime was a disaster for the Somali society but his greatest permanent achievement must have been the writing of the Somali alphabet. Weather we like it or not, during his rule we had free education and healthcare. Now days only 20% of Somali children go to school.
  24. If the healthcare in Somalia is failing I wonder what will happen after the MSF pulled out.