^ In the last two decades western justice system has been eroded by the mass media and public hysteria. The hugely important principle of "innocent until proven guilty" seems to be rendered irrelevant when high profile figures are accused so publicly, humiliated, their careers destroyed, their reputation tarnished, and relationships put in jeopardy well before they get the chance to clear their names through the courts. The charge of "Rape" is also being so over used by the authorities to convict mostly innocent people for actions like having sex with a drunk woman.

Guys you can't reason with Ciidansultan, you are just wasting your time. He is the perfect example of what western politicians call "brainwashed".

<cite> @Mooge said:</cite> this is fake dream wet dream of somalilanders. we see this all the time niyoow. they make up a picture to get people's attention. the two pictures are not even close niyoow. Do you realise this is a private business and has nothing to do with "Somalilanders" or politics?

I don't think the finished building will look like the one in the photo. What is constructed so far looks quite small in comparison.

<cite> @SomaliaPatriot said:</cite> Iam not praying. It is already happening. Maamulka Soomalidiidka is broken alongside subclan lines. In burco that is visible for any person with eyes. In Sool Sanaag and Cayn there is popular resistance against the clan enclave maamulka amxaarkalkaalland. The state built on clannism is dying. Soon we going to hear about jabhad in Awdal Region rising up against the Middle Clan. Keep daydreaming about it :-D

^ So you are praying day and night for a tribal conflict in Somaliland? Well you will be disappointed to know that like any other country we too have violent protests now and then but inshaallah Somaliland will still be here.

In its infancy, the SNM never had any meaningful support from the Duriyada population and were in fact initially seen by many people as trouble makers. However, everything changed when Siyaad Barre ignorantly thought or was badly advised that he could defeat the SNM and stay in power if he suppressed the civilian population in Somaliland. When he began a policy of collective punishment, nepotism, and clan profiling, public opinion turned permanantly against him and the ranks of the SNM swelled. He was deceived to believe that he could rely only on his D-block clan to keep him in power until it was too late.

Regardless of how Britain ended up ruling Somaliland, at least one thing is clear to me. Life under Britain was alot better for most people in Somaliland than during the failed union.

<cite> @Jacaylbaro said:</cite> Somaliland was a protectorate not a colony ,,, you must be mixing it with Somalia sxb. That is right. Although there were many men who did not like the presence of Great Britain in Somaliland and joined rebel movements like the Dervishes, the British were in fact invited in by the traditional leaders of Somaliland as a way of protecting our vital trade with the then British colony of Yemen and also deter the other European imperial powers and the much stronger Ethiopian forces from attempting an invasion of Somaliland. It seemed a win win agreement for both parties.

A French delegation was in Somaliland a week or so ago discussing among other things Ballore Africa's planned investment in Barbara, so I think this Ethiopian delegation mean business.

<cite> @Jacaylbaro said:</cite> This is how we welcome them and take them from the Airport to the Presidential Palace .... It looks like Obama's presidential convoy :-D

<cite> @Tillamook said:</cite> LOL @ Malistar :D Good job thrashing these dimwit secessionist habros. That's one thing you and are agree on, at least Well, envying the great people of Somaliland is the only thing that unites your forever jealous lot and the anarchists to the south of your border :-D

<cite> @Odey said:</cite> On one thread you are all tribal, on another you are the great Muslim brother---- bloody hypocrite !! He is a great Muslim brother who is also doing his Islamic duty of defending his homeland- the Republic of Somaliland, so what is wrong with that?

<cite> @Odey said:</cite> For the record, SNM was squarely defeated by the National army in 1988. Remnants of them were hiding in the bushes till 1991 when the capital city Mogadishu fell and the regime was ousted. It was the mistake of the naive new government that asked the national forces to surrender to local opposition forces across the country that gave SNM the chance You guys are really good at rewriting history!! You did it with that extremist mullah and now this :-D Have you ever thought about how the Kacaan government collapsed in Mogadishu when it was as strong as ever before the hostilities started in Somaliland?

Muslims attend an Eid al-Adha mass prayer in Moscow, Oct. 4. With thousands of Russian Muslims pursuing religious education abroad, the country faces a proliferation of extremist Islamic ideology and increased ethnic tensions, the Prosecutor General's Office has warned. "If in the 1990s, this [the import of nontraditional forms of Islam] was carried out by foreign preachers, now more and more frequently it is done by our own youth who have gone overseas to receive a religious education," Deputy Prosecutor General Viktor Grin warned in comments carried by the Interfax news agency. Grin referenced data made available by the Interior Ministry and the Federal Security Service. "Foreign Islamic educational institutions not only offer significant funds from charity donations, but also receive direct government support," Grin said, noting that Russia's own educational institutions must become more competitive in this sphere. These religious study-abroad programs likewise contribute to ethnic tensions at home by importing social norms and behavior that are considered abnormal in Russia, Grin said. "Migrants' negligent attitudes toward local practices and traditions is frequently aggravating for the native [Russian] community, provoking a growth in ethnic friction," Grin was cited as saying. Many young people from Russia's predominantly Muslim republics Chechnya and Dagestan have studied Islam abroad, in the United Arab Emirates, Syria and Egypt. Likewise, Islamic clerics from these countries have visited Russia to offer workshops and lectures. Although Grin did not elaborate on what specific educational themes were thought to be worrisome, Dagestan has seen numerous radical Salafi preachers emerge in recent years advocating the implementation of sharia law. Their growing popularity is believed to be a factor in fueling the militant insurgency in the region, a phenomenon that has made shootouts between police and extremists a regular occurrence. The expansion of the Salafi movement has also pitted hardline militants against the more moderate Sufi Muslims in the region, who have increasingly become targets in guerilla-style attacks by insurgents. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russia-risks-spread-of-extremist-islam-prosecutor-general-s-office-warns/508667.html

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> Actually, I just gave evidence that Chinatown was extremely poor, with low education rates and very high poverty. Yet Chinatown contains virtually no crime at all. So you're wrong here. And BTW, China has an extremely low crime rate....far far lower than in the United States or any African country. So you're wrong again. And China has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and within 30 years China will be a 1st World Nation, so the Chinese are making the right moves and doing the right thing. And sure, when a Black teenager shoots another Black teenager, we should blame that on slavery and oppression am I correct? Even though in 1920 (before Blacks even had Civil Rights), the Black crime rate was far far lower than it is today. Blacks weren't killing each other back then, the way they're doing so today. But let's not let facts get in the way of your constant complaining. Let's blame slavery for what's going on in the 21st century! Let's forsake all personal responsibility and blame "Whitey" for our personal faults! Why should a Black teenager go to school and make something of himself, when he could be selling drugs, shooting people, going to prison, and blaming the White Man!? How do you hold such self-hating views saaxib?? Where's your self-confidence in your people? Hallelujah !!!! that was one giant slap on the face of a self-hater :-D I like your analogy of the Chinatown. Indeed you can also take the example of the slums of South Africa and those in India. The living conditions of the slums in both countries is similar yet within those in South Africa mass murder, rape, robbery, hostage taking, and every other evil invented by Satan is a fact of daily life. Foreign Africans like the Somalis are lynched with impunity and you will probably not survive a day in those places without an army to guard you. Now compare that to the desperately poor slums in Mumbai and other cities in India. The crime rate in those slums is almost similar to the other wealthier parts of the cities. As a foreigner you can even live in the slums among the poor Indians and feel welcomed. The poor Indians wake up early in the morning, send their children to school, and go out to make a living unlike the South African who loiter in the streets to commit all sorts of crime. I believe the differences between the behaviours of the blacks and the Asians is due to the different cultures.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> No I am not. But I'm definitely not a Democrat and I definitely don't subscribe to the "victim mentality" which many Black-Americans subscribe too. I actually have pride in myself, pride in my people and I'm confident in what we can achieve if we put our minds to it. I don't see the White Man as superior to me which is why I don't blame him for my problems. I blame myself, and I seek to resolve my issues myself or with my community, instead of going on TV and blaming "Whitey" all of the time. Any Black Man who goes on TV and blames his problems on White people is implicitly admitting that he believes the White Man is smarter and superior to him, and the source of his misfortunes. Prove me wrong. I don't see Koreans getting on TV and blaming their problems on Arabs or Russians or anyone else. I never heard of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ever blaming the Pagan Meccans for his misfortunes. No self-respecting man would ever do anything like that. What you do is you become proactive in changing your life, become self-reliant so you won't need the White Man or the Arab Man or the Chinese Man. Come to the table as an absolute equal. We Blacks are in a position of weakness, and it's completely our fault. And it's our responsibility to build up our societies so we can approach the White/Asian/Arab men as equals instead of being subservient and weak. Not only that, but I value black life. So when I see thousands of Black men being killed every year by other Black men, that pisses me off. It pisses me off that Blacks can't live in peace in their own neighborhoods, without a high chance of being robbed or killed. It pisses me off that Blacks sell poisonous drugs to each other, and bring each other down instead of uplifting each other. But no, you wanna focus on a White Cop being racist, or some random White Judge being racist. When you're completely ignoring the fact that we Blacks are our own worst enemies. And until we have a "self-reliant" attitude, we will always be taken advantage of and marginalized. You are a good preacher don't you think? Let me know if you come to my town, I will definitely attend you spirit raising, tear inducing, mind enriching, confidence boosting evangelical sermons :-D

<cite> @Mooge said:</cite> Tallaabo, if corruption can indirectly cause death of millions through corruption, they should be killed. If bribery spreads throughout a society, it will undoubtedly be corrupt and doomed to destruction. Man undertook the Trust that was offered to the heavens and the earth but they refused to bear it. Hence, it is obligatory on man to observe this Trust in the most perfect way that is required of him in order to win the pleasure of Allaah The Almighty and reform society. However, if the Trust is lost, it results in the corruption of the society and it becomes disordered and disunited. To preserve this trust, Allaah The Almighty forbids His slaves from doing anything that could lead to its loss or decrease. Hence, AllaahThe Almighty has prohibited bribery, which is spending money so as to reach something that is unlawful, either through giving the briber what he is not entitled to have or exempting him from what is obligatory on him. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means): • {And do not consume one another's wealth unjustly or send it [in bribery] to the rulers in order that [they might aid] you [to] consume a portion of the wealth of the people in sin, while you know [it is unlawful]} [Quran 2:188] • {Devourers of [what is] unlawful.} [Quran 5:42] in the context of dispraising the Jews. There is no doubt that bribery is unlawful as Ibn Mas‘ood may Allaah be pleased with him said in his commentary on the aforementioned verse. Bribery is a Grave Major Sin Some scholars consider bribery to be a grave major sin, especially if paid to affect the judgment of a person in a position of trust. This is supported by a Hadeeth on the authority of ‘Abdullaah ibn ‘Amr may Allaah be pleased with him who said, “The Messenger of Allaah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) cursed both the briber and the bribed person.” [At-Tirmithi] This Hadeeth indicates that bribery is a grave major sin because it is known that only grave sins and evildoings deserve to be cursed. Aspects of Bribery Nowadays, bribery prevails in many sectors of numerous societies, to the extent that there is almost no area of life that is free from bribery, especially in third world countries. There is bribery in judgment such that the judge takes the side of the undeserving or prevents someone from having his right, gives precedence to the one who does not deserve to be preferred and vice versa, or is partial in his judgment to a relative or someone of high status - due to an unlawful bribe that he received. There is also bribery in implementing judgment. There is bribery in appointing people when someone pays a bribe to those who are in authority to appoint someone while there are others who are more deserving of the job than him. Leaving aside the fact that this is unlawful and the consumption of what is unlawful, it is also betrayal of the Trust because the better and the more efficient person should be appointed to the job. Allaah The Almighty Says (what means): {The best one you can hire is the strong and the trustworthy.} [Quran 28:26] Moreover, there is bribery in the field of education, construction and many other fields that are too numerous to mention here. Effects and Harms of Bribery Bribery is a crime that has grave effects and serious consequences on the individual and the society. We shall summarize some of them as follows: 1- Entrusting a mission to those who are not qualified to do it: When one pays a bribe to have a job that he is not qualified for, this leads to shortcomings in his work output and production and leads to the wasting of resources. 2- Destruction of principles and good morals: The spread of bribery in a society means the destruction of the morals of the members of this society, loss of confidence between them and the spread of bad morals like negligence, indifference, losing a sense of allegiance and belonging and the onset of frustration. 3- Wasting property and endangering souls: If one imagines that bribery prevails in a society until it reaches the sector of health and the production of medicine, what would be the condition of people’s health when they use bad medicines that were licensed through bribery? Imagine that one walks across a bridge that has grave defects that endangers people’s lives and properties and that the contractor who built it obtained permission to finish the work and construction through bribery. How many casualties and financial losses would stem from the fall of that bridge? One should draw an analogy to this case in all fields. Hence, bribery leads to the wasting of money and endangering of souls. The Difference Between Bribes and Gifts There is no doubt that there is a resemblance between a bribe and a gift but the main difference between them lies in the intention and motive behind each of them, for the one who presents a gift seeks to win the love of others and their acquaintance and to show kindness to them. Is a Gift Presented to a Ruler Considered a Bribe? Many scholars are of the opinion that the ruler’s acceptance of gifts is a type of bribe. In a Hadeeth on the authority of Abu Humayd As-Saa‘idi may Allaah be pleased with him he said, The Prophet sallallaahu <code>alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) employed a man from the tribe of Al-Azd named Ibn Al-Lutbiyyah to be a Zakaah [obligatory charity] collector. When he returned he said [to the Prophet sallallaahu</code>alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention )], “This is for you and this was presented to me as a gift.” The Messenger of Allaah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) then rose to the pulpit and praised Allaah The Almighty and extolled Him. Then he said: “I employ a man to do a job and he comes and says this is for you and this was presented to me as a gift? Why did he not remain in the house of his father, or the house of his mother, and see whether gifts would be given to him or not? By Allaah, if any one of you took anything unlawfully, he will come with it on the Day of Resurrection, carrying it on [his back]. I will not recognize any of you on the Day of Resurrection with a grunting camel, or a bellowing cow, or a bleating ewe.” Then he raised his hands till we could see the whiteness of his armpits. Then he said twice, “O Allaah! Have I conveyed [Your Commands]?” [Al-Bukhaari and Muslim] An-Nawawi may Allaah have mercy upon him said, “This Hadeeth clarifies that the gifts received by governors are unlawful to receive and an unfaithful act because it is a breach of their trust. The Messenger of Allaah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) clarified in the same Hadeeth why those who are in a position of trust are not permitted to accept gifts, unlike those who are not in the same position for in their case a gift is recommended. All that the governor receives under the name of gifts should be returned to the one who gave it. If it is not possible, it should be paid to the Muslims’ Treasury.” Ibn Battaal may Allaah have mercy upon him said, “The gifts of the governors should be put in the Muslim Treasury. The governor cannot own it unless the Imaam requests it for him.” What is the Ruling on the One Compelled to Pay a Bribe? What should one do if it is decided that the gifts that are presented to officials are a type of bribe, but the whole society is controlled by bribery and the governing regime is so corrupt that he cannot have his right without paying a bribe? Scholars decided that in this case only, the bribed person is the one who bears the guilt, whereas the one who gives the bribe is free from liability. This is so if he does this to have his right or to ward off some harm that may afflict him, his religion or his property. Therefore, if scholars issue a Fatwa (ruling) about the permissibility of paying a bribe in case of compulsion and state that the person who pays the bribe would not be held guilty, does this not indicate that a bribe is like stealing? Rather, it is worse because it ruins the consciousness of those in authority and drives them to wrong others for the sake of the briber. At this point, the regime will become corrupt and will be like a toy in the hands of criminals and unjust people who follow their fancies and possess money that they can pay to those who possess authority and public positions Mooge I do agree corruption is a major crime and is rightly treated with utmost seriousness in Islamic law, but I am not sure what penalty is proscribed for it. There is an Ayah in the Quran which allows the execution of those guilty of spreading mischief in the land, but again I am not sure if that Ayah can be used against those involved in corruption.

<cite> @malistar2012 said:</cite> Rer Waaqoyi Galbeed are funny they are enduring same poltical rift as south they are contributing to Somali blood shed with wealth and Mans .... Today Burco rer Habeel Attack us we have drawn clans in Burco this lady screems They invaded SSC regions blood is being shed for decades non stop , SNM boys are forcing rer Borama to accept to be Ruled by Hargeisa Fact we see the elders crying out loud daily on the News . What system is working for Somaliland other then Force shedding blood and Bribing warlords in Somaliland ? The only system that's working is unity of the triangle clans period . In South they are involved heavily The top leaders and Founders of Alshabaab are from Waaqoyi Galbeed ? Unlike your chaotic region where killing parliamentarians, journalists, aid workers, imams, singers, and basically anyone who dares oppose your mafia uncles is a routine business; the only blood we shed in Somaliland is that of the convicted murderers.

<cite> @SomaliaPatriot said:</cite> Is this: Look at us, we really exist. No, it is the action of a proper government taking its responsibilities seriously.

^ Another good way of getting a suitable partner is to spend your holidays in Somalia, Somaliland, or the other Somali regions of the Horn. There are many, many good natured, hard working young men in those places who might be right for you.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> There should be no sympathy for Somalis like this. These men weren't Canadian citizens and when they committed their crimes, the Canadian Government wasn't obligated to keep them in the country. Since they weren't even citizens Drug trafficking? Assault with a weapon? No sympathy for men like this. I don't like how we have sympathy for criminals but not for their victims. I agree with you on this. These are hardened criminals who abused the hospitality of the Canadian people. So I really would not have any sympathy for them even if they were deported to Antarctica.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> That's not good enough Tallaabo. We have countries in Africa which are "stable" but are beset with problems, too many to count. You're making it look like Somaliland is a utopia. Somaliland--in fact--is beset with many deep political issues, it's just not as visible as Somalia's problems. If you want the 2006-era Islamic Courts to rule Mogadishu, then you should practice what you preach and want them to rule over Hargeisa as well. Be realistic Dr Ken. Every country on earth has some political problems and deal with their respective problems in different ways. The United States has a problem with powerful lobbyists controlling their government institutions, in the United Kingdom we have a constitutional problem with the devolution of power to the four different home nations, Italy has its own set of political dilemmas. Therefore, the idea that Somaliland must give up its political system which works for us very well in order to solve some minor issues is ludicrous. I am not saying the Islamic courts were perfect for Somalia, but I do not agree with you when you give no credit to those courts for bringing stability to an otherwise ungovernable region. Moreover there is currently no political system which works for Somalia. All those expensive "peace" conferences failed to produce anything tangible. Federalism is now being tried but it seems it might take a long time for it to work properly.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> I know this is a little irrelevant to state here: But corruption should be a capital offence in Somalia. I totally see nothing wrong in executing corrupt government officials. This trend has already begun in China when the new Chinese President Xi Jinping started a huge corruption crackdown, executing any government official guilty of corruption or abuse of power. Africa--and most importantly Somalia--desperately needs these anti-corruption measures Unlike the atheist Chinese we are Muslims and fellow the Islamic shariah. Allah did not permit the execution of people guilty of theft or corruption.

<cite> @DoctorKenney said:</cite> CidanSultan, what's good for Somalia is also good for Maamulka SNM. And if you want an Islamic Courts-style 2006 government in Mogadishu, then maybe you should start by building such a movement in Hargeisa, and then gradually move South to Mogadishu and Kismayo Your assumption is completely wrong. Unlike Somalia Somaliland is not beset with political turmoil and has no chronic security problems. Our political system works for us but that is not the case in Somalia where the very existence of the government there depends on the presence of foreign troops. However, the Islamic courts did work very well in the brief period they ruled Mogadishu and the people trusted them.