i thought the 90 days was rejected by parliament?

Can u elaborate for those who may not know what u mean, pls? After a long night (or week) of chewing our famous stimulant (qaad), and being on a high (marku xidigaha soowada tiriyey), the chewer may go and seek something 'to top it off' (the high that is). Thus making a journey to a dingy street and parting with a few ££s. The chewer goes back to his wife and kids,,,,

^^it has already filtred through to the Somali community. Key word being qaadka! :rolleyes:

Iman Siraj Wahaj, Yusuf Estez and Dr Zakir Niak :eek: :eek: :eek: I only wish i was attending, enjoy your time Nomads and we expect a full detailed report

Axmed, staying away from the mosque will not provide you with answers, it will not make you more confident about yourself if you stay away from people due to your perception of being targeted for being a Red Cross worker. Eightmonths not attending a mosque is a serious issue, what about during ramadan, eid, friday prayers (30 friday prayers), not attending Friday prayers for 3 consecutive weeks is a serious issue in itself. You have some valid comments on Somalis attitude towards religion - like a light a switch (on and off as and when) but you must not compromise your Iman based on a few comments/experiences in a small town.

Interesting,,,, No doubt the US will use this to demonstrate human right abuses of other countries while at the same time taking in huge orders for companies like Cisco Systems to provide the exact services these countries require to control the internet. Having said that, the US will then monitor websites which they see as a threat, shut it down, trace those with 'views' and arrest them :rolleyes:

Capital Z Stop insulting people and get a grip! Its just a game and different opinions will always occur but it doesnt mean you should insult someone because of it. ps reading American sports threads is not my thing so dont make me come back! Your have been warned!

^^Yes, BUT We are talking about what is happening now in the UAE ie lashings or hormone injections? As far i know authorities in the UAE do not kill such people for comitting such act :confused: But if they do, then carry on

An interesting article French riots - Blame Socialism or Islam? By: Amir Butler In examining the recent riots across France, it is tempting to level blame on the supposedly irreconcilable differences between the secular West and Islam. The rioters, after all, were largely the children of Muslim migrants from North and West Africa; and the target of their rage was, after all, an archetypal secular polity. If much of the commentary is to be believed, these riots represent the opening battle in some sort of European intifada or an al-Qaeda inspired push to re-establish the Caliphate in the Parisian suburbs. However, it is a simplistic reading of the situation that impugns Islam for the riots. Rather, the violence had little to do with some Muslim hostility towards democracy, but everything to do with economic problems that are largely unique to the socialist economies of 'old Europe'. Unlike Australia, the United States, and the United Kingdom, France does not recognize multiculturalism. Migrants must assimilate and the state has undertaken a series of aggressive measures - such as banning Islamic hijab in public schools - to push the process along. Integration is, however, more than merely forcing migrants to adopt some vacuous notion of 'Frenchness'. It is not enough that new entrants merely embrace some cultural affectations and give their children French names. Perhaps more importantly, migrants must be integrated economically. It is only by working, earning money and being financially independent that a person develops the self-respect and dignity needed to be a productive member of the social and cultural fabric of the society. This is where France has failed: whilst it has demanded its migrants assimilate culturally, the economy has offered little opportunity for economic assimilation. The French economy is growing at just 1.2% and has one of the highest rates of youth unemployment in Europe. For those under 25, the unemployment rate is 22% (approximately twice the rate of the United States and Britain). In the banlieues, the poor suburbs where the riots erupted, youth unemployment is estimated to run at over 50%. These alarmingly high levels of youth unemployment are caused by a rigid French labor market. France has one of the highest minimum wages in Europe and its workers enjoy the protection of strong unions and a variety of regulations that force short 35-hour work weeks, generous state pensions, and long holidays. It is very difficult for companies to rationalize staff numbers or hire temporarily. Meanwhile, with government spending accounting for roughly half the GDP and an escalating pension and social security burden, individuals and businesses endure stiflingly heavy taxation. As a result, the French economy produces a miniscule number of new jobs each year as compared to the United Kingdom or United States. The high minimum wage exacerbates the problem by making it expensive to hire new staff. The result is obvious: businesses will discriminate in favor of job applicants with closer cultural ties to the dominant culture, more experience or already employed. Therefore, migrants and the children of migrants are pushed to the margins. They are told that they are French by a system that refuses to recognize the multicultural face of French society, yet when they attempt to find employment soon realize that they are not competing on an equal footing. With laws preventing the collection of any statistical data based on ethnicity or religion, the French government remains blissfully unaware of these problems. This, in turn, builds resentment and a feeling of alienation amongst the young who find themselves excluded with no hope of economic or social ascent. Instead of addressing the true cause of unemployment, the French government has plied these poor neighborhoods with public funds: government housing, hospitals, and generous social security payments. An emasculating dependence on handouts, aggressive demands of cultural assimilation, and yet little reciprocal hope of economic integration has created the cultural milieu that begot these riots. In competitive, relatively liberalized labor markets, the ongoing demand for labor ensures employers cannot readily afford to discriminate on the irrelevant basis of race or religion. It is for this reason that ethnic groups in more liberal economies do not face the same social problems as those in countries such as France and its neighbors. It is also for this reason that it is unlikely that similar riots would ever occur in Australia or the United States. Regardless of what some opportunists now warn. Amir Butler is a writer based in Melbourne, Australia. Link

^^ discourage and/or contain those with such urges/tendancies As i stated 'if caught in the act' ie caught red handed/an admittance of guilt - once it has been proven, then the lashings/beat downs will be called upon. You may think it has been inneffective but imagine if there were never any beat downs/lashings ever conducted in a Muslim country for such an act :confused: but thats another topic. The brutality towards ones comitting such an act has been a deterrent in the same way as the men/women who were shot for adultary in public in Afganistan during the Taliban rule was a deterent. Therefore, it has been working, it will never totally eradicate the problem it contains it through the 'beat down' process. I conclude that the lashings will: a)make them think twice about comitting such acts again or make them more detremined not to get caught b)discourage those with such tendencies from comitting it (for the first time) c)clearly state that such acts are not acceptable If being caught dressed as a woman (in the article)at such a party/wedding is classed as being caught in the act then yes a beat down would be necessary. This will be more effective than a trial process (as in Church article) or hormone injections (as in original article)

LIverpool up to fourth, 6th consecutive win and clean sheet, we will be in 2nd place come saturday afternoon all be it for a few hours when we beat Wigan.

American pop star Michael Jackson, who has been in Oman for the past two weeks, is reported to be interested in buying into the Sultanate's prestigious Blue City project. According to sources close to the project, the pop icon was said to be more keen on buying property within the development, Gulf News reported. The $15-billion, 35 square kilometre Blue City project, which will be built over 15 years, is centred on Al Sawadi, some 100 kilometres northwest of Muscat. © 2005 Mena Report (www.menareport.com) Link This guy was at my local mall the other day :confused:

My battle cry (if battle cry it is) is follow the faith as much as you possibly can. That does not mean to pick and choose what to follow but rather that being human it’s understandable, expected and natural to sin. The real quandary comes after one sins and one’s reaction to that. The beat them up, shoot them down brigade sometimes have a point, but like the lawyer in the article they’ve become too obtuse to bother to explain it. They make a long story short by killing, beating or injecting homosexuals with hormones. They fear that to discuss is to justify it. Interesting, you have two questions here. a) Does discussing it with the aim of rehabilatating constitute to accepting it? b) would it work? c) or would the beat the beat downs/lashings be more effective in discouraging such acts (if caught in the act)? I would go for the c to be the only way of discouraging and 'containing' such acts even though A may contribute 'a little' towards educating back towards celibacy.

How fortunes change in football ey? i'm in a relagation battle with bushwackers FC. Soma Inc, my entire midfield were suspended so i had to use defenders and strikers in midfield :rolleyes: I have given up on this league and await the next one, if i dont get relagated

AS we are all aware one will say anything in order to be left alone to do what he wants. I still prefer the lock-em up and throw away the key theory. How would you think this will be brought to the table in the UAE for example, how can one prove that the other is/is not gay after their period of 'rehab'? What the church is doing is condoning it but playing around with words and terms. How will a 'current' gay preist proove he is not gay in three years time? The church is merely trying to absorb the situation as 60% (if not more) of its priests are gay anyway :rolleyes: I dont think anything similar will ever work in a muslim country. Best option is to beat it out of them so they do not repeat the offence(s).

NG It’s all about education, some people travel far and wide to seek it and others don’t benefit from it when it’s free and on their doorsteps! Very true but one would assume that the wrong and right regarding this issue is in black and white no matter how much education one received. Upon reading the above article, are proposing /advocating 'sweet' talking the girly men back into celibacy?

Not one to venture into these parts very often but I could not, not reply to this topic. I applaud Geeljire & Simply I for having an 'opinion' and stating it. This 'opinion' may be striking and some may find it offensive for differing reasons but the fact of the matter is that its their 'opinion'. We all have our minds to establish our stance on any topic. If she wishes to conclude that a woman riding a bike is unislamic (with reasons provided)then why not just let her 'opinion' be? If others feel its not unislamic then thats their 'opinion' also and should live in the hope of not being unsulted for having that 'opinion'. This is a forum and we are all here to debate/argue (call it what you like) but persuing someone for simply having a different 'opinion' is childish and does not suit many on here (some cases excempted). I also think women riding a bike is unislamic but I also think wearing shorts in a football match is also unislamic :confused: ... so is smoking, wasting time etc and many other things....

NGONGE All the arrested parties were UAE nationals and one can only percieve them of having a sound knowledge base with regard to ISlamic teachings. Heck they were raised in a muslim country with quranic/hadeeth teachings through their lives. Your last post is interesting but it is obvious these guys(girly guys) have not or are not following their knowledge and teachings obtained throughout their lives. They most probably know much of the Quran by heart but are then attending such places with such people with the aim/intent of doing what is forbidden. Flip the coin and you will get those who are hetrosexual but comitting sins 'hetrosexually' before or even during marriage. Using the philosophical approach and trying to determine why people have homosexual tendencies is the way of the non muslim to try to justify reasons for being the afore-said. These areticle are written by non-muslims 90% of the time, you would not therefore expect them to bringing any religious analysis/comments to the table. Plus Gulf News is aimed at appeasing Expats. However, with the growing amount of western influence, many being able to read english and a teenagers interest in reading a tabloid rather than a broadsheet, it is only time when the next generation become accustomed to or accepting this issue. I believe its more about a war of information where the local authorities are losing by a big margin and will only get bigger if they do not do anything about it before 'its their son'.

Greeks are gaalo, arabs are muslims and should act upon it, i would not be surprised to hear future muslim kids saying its ok to be gay, western ideologies are breaking doors down faster than we know or anticipate

In many Middle Eastern and African countries only those taking on the women’s role are considered gay. They’re the one’s being offered hormone treatments, etc! Arabs are dumb (sorry )saxib, its a well known fact! It may be difficult for the authorities to realise how a man wearing a khamis who was at the party can be classified as gay. But what should they be offered? or how should they punished?

I read this article the other day, cant say i was surprised this happened in a very sinful city where 'freedom' in all its forms is encouraged. This guy has the right idea: “There are so many others like these guys,†Al Kumaiti said. “The police and rulers need to do more than just lash them and let them go.†NG: The ones that dressed as men were not mentioned and are not likely to be offered hormone treatments The other problem in Arab countries is the fact that many do not prosecute their fellow nationals or arabs except in extreme circumstances.

aha I think there is some plagarism involved here, NG doesnt do much work (a well known fact) but editing is a new skill ey NG? Nice one

But the comparison does not end there, there are number of other reasons why Mr. Abdulqadir Jirdeh is still the ideal man for the job compared to his rival from the opposition side. Firstly, Mr. Jirdeh is the most experienced political heavyweight among the 82 newly elected members of parliament. He is a man who has an in-depth understanding of the Somaliland Constitution and the important rules of the parliamentary traditions and etiquette. Furthermore, Mr. Jirdeh is a man of consistently sound judgement, and a man of honour and decency whose qualities are hard to fault. He will really make all genuine Somalilanders very proud if the parliament approves him although those who are blinded by clannism and party political immaturity could not be convinced otherwise. Truly, Mr. Jirdeh is a popular man who transcends across the tribal lines and the immature party political bickering that has characterised Somaliland’s political landscape. Unlike most of cabinet Ministers he is not at Mr. Rayale's beck and call and was not a party to the raiders of the national coffers. Secondly, under his stewardship Somaliland was averted from plunging into a political turmoil after the sudden death of former President Mr. Mohamed Haji Ibrahim Egal because of the potentially dangerous clan rivalries within the administration at the time. If Mr. Jirdeh weren’t the lead man, the transition of power would not have been a peaceful one. Thirdly, after the sudden death of Mr. Egal, Mr. Abdulqadir Jirdeh was the man that the current president Mr. Rayale picked for the Vice-Presidency but as many of us are aware Mr. Jirdeh declined that offer with gratitude. He thought there were other men who would make a better Vice-President than himself. In a greed-ridden country like Somaliland, where everyone is aspiring for a position, how many people do you think would turn down for such a high post? The answer is quite obvious. Prior to that, Mr. Jirdeh was offered a number of other high government posts but declined all of them. As a result, many people saw him as a forthright man with towering integrity. Fourth, unlike his colleagues in the government who display a vanity and selfishness and drive around in Hargeisa with conspicuously upmarket Toyota 4x4 station wagon vehicles with tinted glasses, Mr. Jirdeh refused an offer of a brand new vehicle and a chauffeur from the government. He disdained himself from the evil practice of competing his colleagues with the material world of instant gratification, which he saw not only as a waste of public resources but more importantly something that violated his simple values. He is a loner yet possess the rare ability of relating to people from all walks of life as well as on both sides of the broader political divide. It was this modesty that obviously surprised many people and has come to symbolize his austere lifestyle and man-of-the-people image. There is nothing artificial about this man. His unpretentiousness, honesty and an unflinching commitment to Somaliland’s sovereignty and independence often struck many people as naiveté, since we live in a country where evil seems constantly to triumph over good and villains become heroes. Unfortunately, for his critics, the opposition- particularly the hard-to-please Kulmiye supporters, do not feel comfortable with Mr. Jirdeh. Conversely, UCID party leader, Mr. Faisal Ali Warabe, do not have any grudge against Mr. Jirdeh because his party was more often than not supported the government’s policies before he entered into a marriage of convenience with the Kulmiye party lately. Mr. Faisal’s intention to nominate Mr. Cirro, his close friend and business partner, for the post of the Speaker is nothing more than a PR exercise aimed at enhancing the image of his under dog party. Is this supposed to be an impartial view from the author?

NGONGE, saxib i have a slow link and can not make out the people in the video, ma Somali ba? where is this? and why wasnt i told about it :mad:

So whats the debate here? One who associates himself with a trouble maker is wearing the same shoes?