Just something to make this section a little more interesting,,, For me obviously it was last 25th May 2005 Liverpool vs AC Milan England vs Cameroun 1990 Liverpool vs Newcastle (2 games) Cameroun vs Argentina 1990 Argentina vs Romania 1994 Liverpool vs Juventus 2005 Liverpool vs Aleves 2001 England vs Germany (5-1) Holland vs Cech Rep 2004 France vs Italy 2000 Man Utd vs Bayern Munchen 1999 Man Utd vs Juventus 1999 Liverpool vs Everton 1989 and many more,,,,

The black ref - Uriah Rene used to referee some of our games up norf, hes a cool dude, ppl target him cos hes black. He was actually relegated to the Championship a few years back but made his way up again. How come he doesnt get the high profile games???

always been a cricket fan saxib, India vs Pakistan is always worth watching,,,

When was the first chinese restaurant opened and where?

^^yes one is the best and most watched in the world and the other is only watched by americans, the difference is huge, one is a simple game played and watched by simple minded people and the other is known as the beautiful game where the passion is unmatched in any sport, i should start a new thread discrediting all american sports (NBA exempt) Faarax, what a coincidence, just last night i was watching the highlights of that game. It was a great World Cup and even though i wanted the Lions to win that game i didnt mind England winning. As for the ref, i dont remember him having a bad game (but yes he is cr*p ref). Both penalties where stone wall pens and you should blame the african mentality - ninku yaanu kudaafin attitude. The worst referee in the Premiership is Mike Riley, he didnt give Liverpool a penalty for a blatant handball by a Chelsea player, then they went on and won the game :mad: and he the ref in Sundays Man Utd vs Liverpool game :rolleyes:

Now i havnt read any of the replies to the original post (call me lazy) but MLK and the civil movememnt still havnt achieved what they 'dreamed'. Black people are still classed as second class citizens (dont believe the hype - Chuck D 1989). So you can sit on a bus now and get a white collar job, so what? big deal? :rolleyes: you still have affirmative action there right? you still have high crime, drugs etc in the majority black areas right? So WTF has MLK achieved??? :rolleyes: The Faarax Brown says: Sisters Bisharo & Choco-Malab as well as Pointman,thanks for the replies & the positive vibe you are dishing out on this very IMPORTANT day in the calender of all COLORED peoples. Blo*dy americans :rolleyes:

For those who did not enjoy London, you probably stayed in the Ghettos and didnt see much of the nicer side of London. Not many people are built for London i'm affraid My worst travel experience was at Djibouti airport. I was on transfer there for 8 hours in the most uncomfortable airport in the world. The seats were metal, the toilets were filthy, the food was not entertaining and i had to go for an interview just to get my passport back from the immigration dept. The Americans were preparing to invade Iraq and used the damned airport as a base, helicopters buzzing in the backround then a plane loaded with 200 German soldiers arrived (dont know what they were doing there) they walked through the airport like they owned the place giving me the once-over because i refused to fold my long legs to give them way as they passed along,,,,,a small victory

An amazing run rate for both teams http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/shared/fds/hi/statistics/cricket/scorecards/2006/1/12864/html/scorecard.stm

^^lol depends on how lenient the ref is but we have become 'cultured' in our style of play lately So who will be crowned Kings of Africa? ps did ya see the Kewell goal at the weekend? :cool:

^^saxib its all good, Somaliland would beat Somalia anyway, Arsenal style Looking forward to the Cup of Nations, it should be an exciting tournament, i tip the Lions for the cup! Cameroun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Laptop link-up: A day at the mosque http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4511780.stm Russian Islam goes its own way http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4341648.stm

Young Women's Views http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4505480.stm The French Exchange http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4500414.stm

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Dutch MPs to decide on burqa ban By Mark Mardell Europe editor, BBC News, Brussels The Dutch government will announce over the next few weeks whether it will make it a crime to wear traditional Islamic dress which covers the face apart from the eyes. The Dutch parliament has already voted in favour of a proposal to ban the burqa outside the home, and some in the government have thrown their weight behind it. There are only about 50 women in all of the Netherlands who do cover up entirely - but soon they could be breaking the law. Dutch MP Geert Wilders is the man who first suggested the idea of a ban. "It's a medieval symbol, a symbol against women," he says. "We don't want women to be ashamed to show who they are. Even if you have decided yourself to do that, you should not do it in Holland, because we want you to be integrated, assimilated into Dutch society. If people cannot see who you are, or see one inch of your body or your face, I believe this is not the way to integrate into our society." 'Identifiable' I interviewed Mr Wilders inside parliament after several security checks. Two tough bodyguards stood close by throughout. This country, once the epitome of easy-going liberalism, is edgier, less tolerant these days. Mr Wilders' name was included on a list of "infidels, who deserved to be slaughtered", which was found pinned to the body of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh. Van Gogh was murdered two years ago for making the film about women and Islam called "Submission". It starts with a shot of a woman's face covered by a burqa. Slowly the camera shows that, from the neck downwards, she's naked but for a thin veil. Mr Wilders has explicitly linked his wish for a burqa ban with terrorism. "We have problems with a growing minority of Muslims who tend to have sympathy with the Islamo-fascistic concept of radical Islam," says Mr Wilders. "That's also a reason why everybody should be identifiable when they walk on the street or go to a pub or go into a restaurant or whatsoever." 'Freedom of choice' Famala Aslam is a Muslim lawyer who has represented women who have stopped wearing the burqa while training as child-care assistants. She would not cover her face herself, but does wear a traditional dress and headscarf from eastern Turkey. She showed me how that can be adapted. "Other women are stricter; and they hide the face - you can only see the eyes," she says. "And other women choose to wear the niqab, and they veil the face totally." I asked her what she would say to people who would say: "If you want to fit into the West, live here, wear a business suit; wear jeans - don't wear what you're wearing. Don't wear a niqab." Ms Aslam says she believes that the freedom of choice and the freedom of religion is something that people need to fight for. In the city of Maaseik, in Belgium - which lies a few hundred yards from the Dutch border - a ban on wearing the niqab is already in place. Mayor Jan Creemers said he brought it forward because old people were afraid and children cried when women started appearing in long black robes with their faces covered. Belgium ban Women can now be fined 150 euros (£102) if they are found to be wearing the niqab. "There were six ladies who wore the niqab. I think two or three weeks after the council passed this law, five have dropped it," says Mr Creemers. "One lady is still wearing it but the last step in the procedure will be that she must go to jail." The husband of the woman who defies the ban is being held in connection with the Madrid bombings. But the police here are not too happy with the ban. They say it has made relations with the Moroccan community worse and gives young people a reason to resent society. Ms Aslam says if the ban becomes law in the Netherlands, some women will adopt the veil as a political statement. "A lot of women are not fully feeling like Muslims," she says. "But because of the public opinion, they are feeling like: 'I have to be a Muslim'. And banning or isolating a certain group of the population is just asking for problems." The Dutch government will soon decide whether to ban the burqa. Perhaps it will not become illegal in this marketplace or in the street. But they are likely to ban it in public places like stations, airports and cinemas - something many Muslims will regard as provocation in a Europe increasingly uncertain of its own identity. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4616664.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4505480.stm

Interesting thread. Sustainability is something in great use today (in the west). In housing, economics, environment and development. But would sustainability be possible in the horn without a carefully planned and developed infrastruture? All these concepts are well and good but without a basic infrastrre ie roads, govn't, telecommunications etc, then sustainability is not possible. Each country'ss sustainability comes about as a result of their respective governments foresight in seeing there is a need for such a scheme in all departments. This is usually done through the planning department of local authoritie resulting from a trickle down effect ie a govnt policy where the responsibility for enforcing it is passed down to local authorities. This is a result of a govnt infrastruture who are in-turn looking out for the good of their people and their country. We need to develop economic opportunities that provides for the needs of the local people. Again, the fundamental issue that will open up all sorts of economic opportunities and prosperity is the ability for people to get around. The more people are exposed to economic activities (whether seller or consumer) in more places the faster your above statement will become the norm.

The News of the World's Mazher Mahmood is an undercover reporter who specialises in exposing the behind-the-scenes activities of high-profile celebrities. Mahmood's latest sting was to trick England coach Sven-Goran Eriksson into making several embarrassing revelations about his plans for the future. The reporter is known as "the fake Sheik" because many of his stings involve posing as an Arab sheik. Other high-profile exposés have trapped criminals and caused embarrassment to the aristocracy and the royal family. In another recent story, Mahmood exposed an alleged plot to buy radioactive material to make a "dirty bomb". He offered to sell the men a kilo of "red mercury" before bringing in anti-terrorist police to arrest them. The paper claims he has brought more than 100 criminals to justice. However, he has also been criticised for methods which involve a deliberate breaching of the law and which are ethically questionable. In 2002 he was said to have received a death threat in which a £100,000 contract was put on his life. Sophie quits job Mr Mahmood was crowned reporter of the year at the 1999 British Press Awards and his newspaper is proud to promote the investigations he carries out. Many of his stings involve posing as an Arab sheik, earning him the sobriquet "the fake Sheik". It was a guise he used to great effect when he engineered a meeting with Sophie, Countess of Wessex. The result was hugely embarrassing for the royal family when it was suggested Sophie was abusing her royal connections as head of her PR firm R-JH - from which she later resigned as chairman. Mazher Mahmood In 2002, along with other NoW reporters, he uncovered an alleged plot to kidnap Victoria Beckham - although the resulting trial of the plotters collapsed. But an investigation into the "social" activities of London's Burning actor John Alford led to the star being convicted of supplying drugs. Posing as an Arabian prince, he met Alford, who fell for his scam, offering him cannabis and cocaine. Alford was jailed for nine months for supplying cocaine and cannabis in May 1999. Other Mahmood scalps include DJ Johnnie Walker and former Blue Peter presenter Richard Bacon, who were also captured in drugs stings. Man of mystery Mr Mahmood has previously defended his methods. He said: "I don't think there's anything wrong with journalists exposing drug dealers... I've got 98 criminal convictions as a result of my work, so I must be doing something right." He is also adept at infiltrating criminal ranks within the Asian community and has exposed numerous immigration scams and bogus marriages. For a man so skilled at exposing others, Mazher Mahmood is obsessive about maintaining his own privacy. It is known that he comes from somewhere in the West Midlands, and has worked on the Sunday Times and in television production. 'Entrapment' under fire The self-styled scourge of the criminal world works secretively, rarely going into the office at News International in Wapping. Written into Mr Mahmood's contract is a clause stating that his photograph will never be published in the newspaper. If he features in photos that accompany his stories, his face is always concealed and a silhouette is used next to his byline. When Mr Mahmood won the Reporter of the Year award, a figure attired in full sheikh's outfit, with the face covered, went up to collect the award - only for the robes to be thrown off to reveal Kelvin Mackenzie, former editor of The Sun. Although Mr Mahmood has helped to expose crime, many find the way he does it both morally and ethically distasteful. Lawyers have argued that Mr Mahmood's conduct, backed by the editorial policy of the News of the World, deliberately involves serious breaches of the law. However, his work continues unabated and he often works closely with officers and says he co-operates with police at all times. Link Latest Sting

these holigans who run over innocent Haj Want bees And who are these hooligans King? WOL, good piece, seam like the authorities are detrmined to get it right and Insha allah they will Some Muslim clerics have issued fatwas, or religious edicts, allowing pilgrims to begin the stoning earlier in the day, rather than the traditional midday start, in an attempt to spread out the crowds. They also asked pilgrims to throw small pebbles to avoid accidentally hurting anyone in the crowd. Good point but this years incident happened at magrib time

Blackburn Rover have been impressive this year!

Where is Penny Hardaway now? Miami?

The question here is, can the Saudi authorities cope with the sheer number of Hijjaajs? For many years we have become used to hearing of tragic incidents at the holy sites during Hajj and yesterday was no different. May Allah grant those who passed away Jannah and those who were hurt in the incident a speedy recovery IA. Close family members were lucky to survive, it was not their time. Again the Saudi authorities have failed to control the crowds of people due to them not being able to comprehend and act upon basic safety measures that are a must for such an occasion in order to minimize the risks exposed to the Hijjaajs. You may say that it is easy for someone who works in safety orientated industry to say this but i'm convinced many of the deaths throughout the years have been as a result of poor management by the Saudi authorities. I have been watching the Hajj on Saudi TV all week and one thing they have been quick to inform viewers of was just how safe Hajj is this year due to much planning and spending in areas such as policing, medical response, medical facilities, the recent completion of a new bridge at Mina (to help the movement of people), more accommodation etc. How ironic it was to ask a brother (from Kenya) who was performing Hajj for the second time (first time in 1984) on live TV, if he felt safe. His response was blunt and straight to the point. He mentioned that the authorities were responsible for each and everyone who is performing Hajj and therefore it is only right and expected of them to provide such services and facilities and should have been done a long time ago as "they have the money". It is a well know fact that the Saudis pride themselves in being the custodians of the two holy mosques and the hosts during Hajj. However, the time has come for the sharing of information with Hajj representatives in other countries as many Hijaajs are left a little exposed with a basic lack of information regarding safety procedures. The stoning of the Devils should be carried after Duhur prayer according to the Saudi authorities but many scholars disagree (as far as i understand it from TV phone-ins last night) and suggest that it can be done at anytime during the day (someone may correct me on this). Now if this was the case (that it can be done at anytime) then this will greatly reduce the risk of a stampede as the time to perform this act will be lengthened thus giving people more time. Thats one point. Now why are the authorities allowing people to carry heavy luggage (consisting of tents and sleeping gear) to and from and among huge crowds when it is a common know fact that this area is a flashpoint where many people have lost their lives due to stampedes in previous years? The minister for information has come out today and said that all nations have been informed that their citizens are 'not recommended' to carry luggage during the performance of Hajj. But why are the authorities not acting upon this and banning it altogether? Thats the second point. A serious review involving all parties (including Hajj resp from all countries) has never been more urgent. A programme of differing times to perform Hajj acts for different regions is what i would personally recommend in order to reduce the risks (which seam to be becoming greater) to which the Hijjaajs are exposed. Such a programme will need to be clearly defined in a format understandable to all and must be finalized and distributed world wide at a very early stage. If of course it does not contravene any laws and regulations of the performance of Hajj. Allah knows best. ps, We all know what Allah wills, will happen, but that doesn’t mean we should'nt do our best to avoid such tragedies. I feel that the Saudis are not (and have'nt been for a long time) doing their best to control such situations. I'm coming from a safety angle only

^^yes, the Pistons came back from 3 down and made 3-3 (i think), then i got on a plane and forgot about it, i just thought the Pistons won ps it football not soccer :mad: pps: is it ok to elbow someone? like Kobe did? was his punishment slightly heavy?

Eid Mubarak again,,,, ^^ Mashallah :cool:

Its been more like 6 months :mad: Eid mubarak to all the Footy nuts!

^^yeah right!, Alan Iverson has an NBA ring? i dont think so, i'm pretty sure it was the Pistons. As for MJ and MJ, i know they are both retired, but the NBA has never been the same without Jordan. Hence why many in the UK dont know exactly what is going on in the NBA.

Excuse my ignorance but who is the reigning NBA champs? Pistons? Does Majic Johnson still play for the lakers? :confused: