Israel has issued orders to seize Palestinian-owned land to link a main Jewish settlement in the occupied West Bank to Jerusalem, officials say, a step that could isolate Palestinians from Jerusalem. -Wednesday 24 August 2005, 21:21 Makka Time, 18:21 GMT Source: aljazeera Viking I agree. Xiin, Sharon's moves are double-edged. There is a chance that Bush himself might have given his seal-of-approval to these recent evacuation, but for a sinister reason. The signals such Israeli evacuations send to the Arab (Iraq especially) and Muslim world, is meant to fool us into thinking 'the winds of fortune are changing', when in fact, its a double loss for the palestinians. Firstly, they gain little piece of land in Gaza and lose a bigger chank of Jerusalaam (and west bank). Secondly, the global sympathy for the palestinian cause withers away as everyone is now thinking Bush and co. have atlast done something for the palestinians. Its a lose-lose situation.

Baashi iyo Xiin, sideey wax u jiraan, dadku illeen laan-dheernimo darteed u ma wada dhoolla caddeeyaane? Geesinimaduse laga wada siman Back to the topic.. Don't you think Sharon is just doing a switch of lands while having the apartheid wall in mind? He has already made clear (last night) that no other evictions of jews will take place from now on, even in other occupied areas. The expansion to other palestinian villages had begun. The BBC showed us areas (still in palestinian hands) around which Sharons wishes to encircle with his disasterous wall.

The MCB and the MAB have both found themselves in quagmire in last night's panorama. It seemed the main object of the questioner was to unearth the duality of these organizations by first, concentrating of their 'private' and 'hostile' believes that were propagated by the likes of sheikh Mawduudi and second, by displaying their contradictory public appearance, which Blair and prince Charles cluelessly follow. In a sense to portray them in a hypocritical spotlight. And to separate politics from Islam. Except for Azzam Tamimi, the rest interviewed indeed seemed like hypocrites. PS: Iqbal was put in a peculiar position for visitng the memorial of Hamas leader Sheikh Yassin and not attending the holocaust memorial, and his reason for not attending the holocaust memorial.

Elysian - This seems to be the era of theoretical speculation, but so far (and judging from the timing and location where first HIV case appeared) the connection of polio-vaccine and the appearance of HIV seems plausible. If future scientific tests, done ethically and professionally, prove the existence of such a connection then the moral implications alone (on the west) will be huge. Questions such as, what sort of a people are they, will arise. But I doubt the likelihood of such test results becoming public knowledge, even if they were to exist. Let us hope the tests are carried out sooner than later.

CALANkaa Jab waa Qoodhaha oo caajiskaa Galo eh Allaahu manajinaa! Waa mucjiso weyn oon waaqsina lahayn, farxan. Lol@caajis. Very subtle wording . Animal Farm, its herbs, the like of which MalMal comes to mind . V is nothing compared to MalMal.

congratulations duke.

Viking, thanks for mentioning the Prophet's (pbuh) age of prophet-hood. Moreover, in the old golden days of geeljirinimo, the supposition was that for a man to reach his ultimate strength, 4 pillars or state of strengths must be added up to his age. He gets the first pillar at the age of 10, then 20, then 30 and the last one at the age of 40, the ultimate strength. From then on, his pillars of strength go downhill. At the age of 50 the first pillar of strength comes off, but gains a pillar of experiance on his side , thus becoming a respected member of the community. At the age of 60 another pillar of strength comes off but he gains one pillar of wisdom. At the age of 70 another pillar of strength comes off but gains one pillar of elderness. At the age of 80, if he's alive the last pillar of strength comes off but he gains the lastly pillar of communal care...since his state of being, through old-age, is reduced to that of the child. So for men 51 and above is/can be considered old, just loosely though. For women, its 45 and over, or soon as their womb is dry.

^^ Why else will Fidel ask me to leave the section?

...take your weak preaching to the comfort of the Islam section. Fair and square?... Fidel, forgive me mi'lady, methought this was islamic section. The 'what does islam' title eluded me into thinking twas Islam section. You have a point there. My mistake, I will leave you to the women section sister, I rarely post here anyway . Fair and square, happy now?

^^^ Nice one Taqwa. I was wondering the same thing. The topic is in essence concerned with 'what Islam says about bfriends and gfriends', and what Islam says cannot be an opinion of someone. If you don't care about what Islam says or if Islam isn't your life's view-point, then you shouldn' be here at all or be ignoring this topic. Fair and square .

Lol OG..you have gone abusing from the animal kind that flies (chicken) to the kind that crawls . Thats a record in your impressive CV.

^^^ The song is from Moonlight Album of 2002/3 (not sure) by a band called Bella something. You can find the whole album in Somaliuk.com music section. In actual terms, this particular song and others which they sung with new instruments are old songs. They have good music, and also add some of 'avegardo's (ironically a dutch somali rapping in english ) rap in their singings. For more tracks, click HERE This SONG got me to notice them. I heard it in the most unusual place, in a jazz record shop by a girl from Mombasa that I use to borrow Taarab tracks from. "dhaayaheegaad eheedee" Nice!

Animal Farm, the only time a coherent discussion can take place is when the meet-up is exclussively brothers (or I've heard sisters only). Unless the intension of the meet-up is a general socialization, the presence of males and females at the same place isn't a good idea, and doens't produce an environment for even a near-serious discussion. When what is discussed are ideas and even future projects with regards to Somali community or other social matters, you will have to make sure the people you invite are not only what you expect them to be, but also humble and less egoistic. Egoism messes up many meet-ups, and so my advice is, if you are serious about setting up projects, let each gender meet on its own. In some meetings we've had in close doors, our discusion ranged from community projects and business ventures to achieving enlightment and self-purification. It was very interesting to hear what other mindful brothers had to say and bring across. Insha-allaah, as you will find out if you organise meetings, among many, you will find few wonderful individuals that are like-minded and future-oriented. Only these few individuals concern themselves with cultural, communal and even religeous matters. PS: I am glad you've started this topic. I hope you succeed in meeting like-minded individuals whose only concern is to honestly talk over ideas that may change our social status for the better. This is the right move sxb. Good luck.

Animal Farm, there are such meet-ups with invited SOL members, and there is also 'welcome' gatherings. I have helped organise both kinds of meetups. In the former it is advicable that you invite smart, outwardly-thinking and progressive individuals only. That is the conclusion I have reached from my experiance of hosting gatherings. In the latter case, anyone can be invited. Its usually not a big deal since all it deals with is welcoming or saying goodbye to someone. Alxamdullilaah, I have come to know good nomads in person, and I have kept in touch with them since first meeting them. PS: make sure your meetups are purposeful. One meetup for exchanging constructive ideas and working with each other in the future (for this you need it to take place behind closed doors), and one for welcomings, goodbyes or general chillouts.

Cawo: I had ago at 'gacmahaada xaada-leh' by cumar dhuule (aun). Hope my butchering of it helps . I guess others are welcome in this butchering scheme. Knife at hand please! . Monologue--- Xaynkiyo, xiribaha idhaha Ee xanuunka igu beeriyo Camanada xayaadkee Xaddigeedu buuxiyo Xibnaha hadalka xubin xubin Kuu kala xisaabshaa, Xumad igu kiciyee Waan kuu xiisa weynahee Hadmaad Xamar ku soo noqon -----End of monologue… Xabadyahay waxaad tahay Xulashada haweenkee Xaqiiqdii haweenkaa, Weli lama xambaarine Xuural cayn la moodyee Xarragada u dhalataay Gacmahaada caadda leh Markaan soo xusuustaba Xaada-toodayee. (Xadxatoodayee) Xiddigyahay anmaa nool Tallaa iga xanibantee Xiddigyahay anmaa nool Xabaal baan geliyee Xishoodka iyo edabtaba Midii loo xambaarhsaay Xishoodka iyo edabta Midii xashuubshaay Xidigyahay dadkeyguye Xididbaad kuu leedahay Xuural cayn la moodyee Xarragada u dhalataay Gacmahaada caadda leh Markaan soo xusuustaba Xaada-toodayee (*2) Xaydaaman inanyahay Caashaqu xaggeeygee Adna xariga ila qabo Xaqbaan kuugu yeeshoo Xuural cayn la moodyee Xarragada u dhalataay Gacmahaada caadda leh Markaan soo xusuustaba Xaada-toodayee Xiddigyahay anmaa nool Tallaa iga xanibantee Xiddigyahay anmaa nool Xabaal baan geliyee Cawo: I am not sure about some of the lyrics, maybe someone else will correct where I went wrong. I wrote the song in a hurry. Mind you, I use to imitate this song as a young lad J that’s why I thought I should try writing it down, however inaccurate.

pucca, try www.somaliuk.com. hamarey.com and if you are interested in old or classic songs www.hobyonet.com (you might wonna google this last site). Heestan miraheeda aad beey u adagyihiin in la qoro, waayo waa heesta keliya ee ku allifan wada Ya', Ya'na sahal ahayn. Sida eey u adagtahay in Ya' laga gabyo, ayeey sidoo kale u adag tahay in Ya' laga heeso. Waa heestii Cabdi Tahliil iyo Sideed iila yaabtaa. Dhageysi wacan. Laygu kaa dul yookee Wanaagana ma yeeshidee Sideed iila yaabtaa Yoon baad I gelisee Yaxyaxiyo xishood baa Igu yuurursadayoo Jacayl igu yata’ay baa Ii yeeranaayee Yeeygiyo ugaadhaan Xeryeha u yagleelaa Yacca iyo atoorraa Aan yamaar u daabtaa Yuuqaba adeey baday Yulqankiyo taahee Laygu kaa dul yookee Waanaga ma yeesheediye Sideed iila yaabtaa, Layaabtaa, sideed iila Layaabtaa, layaabtaa Yoon baad I gelisee Kalgacayl yumuuyi Yaryareeysi ma lahee Yanyaboohistaadaa Yaayaale qaadine Yoociyo adoon noqon Laanyiciga oo kale Oo aan yu’ ashadeydana Waa yeelkadaa odhan Yabadhbaan ka heli lahaa Hadaan dhagax u yeedhee Laygu kaa dul yookee Waanaagana ma yeeshidee (*2) Sideed iila yaabtaa, Layaabtaa, sideed iila Layaabtaa, layaabtaa Yoon baad I gelisee Duul-ka yur idhi baan Yaacaayey waaq li’i Oon yeel ku xidhay Geri Ama yacay kusoo rarey Igumaad yiqbooteen Adoo yaalla haradee Yaabyaabka iga daa Waan kuu yahoomoo Laygu kaa dul yookee Waanaagana ma yeeshidee Sideed iila yaabtaa, Layaabtaa, sideed iila Layaabtaa, layaabtaa Yoon baad I gelisee Cudurdaar iyo Raaligelin: Waxaa suurta gal ah in aan qaybo heesta ka mid ah aanan si wanaagsan u maqli kari waayey, sidaa darteedna aanan xarfaha qaarkood hubin in aan si habsami ah u heloodey.

May Allaah rest his soul and grant him a place in Jannatul Firdous. Sheikh Ahmed Deedat was, if not the greatest, one of the greatest Daacis Allah has blessed on the Muslim ummah. His videos and books and conferences and public theological discussions have educated many of us. May Allah bless and rest his soul, and grant his beloved family comfort. Aamiin.

Very good news, walaahi. Nabad iyo deganaansho waarto insha-allaah. "my mothers side are still in and around Gedo region (Balad Xaawo+Luuq+Doolow}." Cawad, are you sure we're not related? Thats where my mothers' farm still reside, and I pray peace reigns in that region and whole of Somalia, aamiin.

Maxamed Salb. Waraabe iyo Gabaygiisii Caano daatey. Dhageeysi wacan. Caano daatay Qurbaha Rag iyo Dumar baddeley PS: A must listen for Odayaasha SOL

Hambalyo Wiilo. Gurigiina guri kheyr-qaba oo lagu waaro Eeba haka dhigo, aamiin.

Your guide to Britain. The Department of Social Scrunity Click on the link lol.

^^^ I think Bacadle, summed it up.

<font size ="1" Deelleeyda maansada markaan daman ka reystaaba, Wax unbaa i damqinayoo, qalbigu ila dikaamaaye Markaasaan dib ugu soo noqdaa yaaban lay dirane Maantana ninba igu dirqiyey ducuful iimaan ah, Oo dumarkii cawrada asturey iga dicaayeey, Aniguna ma deyi karo dulmiga lala dinaaxyeeyoo Waa inaan difaacaa gabdhaha diinta lagu maagey Ma dafirin xijaabke Qudubi waa dabcinayaaye Daliiilna wuxuu u doondoonayaa ducul imaanee Marse haduu jilbaabkii dacmiyey ama dicaayeeyey Welibana daliishadey iftaro danno yahuudeed ah Diintiisu ineey naaqus tahay doodi kama taagna Dambina kuma ekeeysan ilxaad buu u daadegayee Dufna Allaha ku bixiyee falsalaq wax is doorshaane Nin diriiska culumada sitoo daacinimo sheegtey Dirtiisii horena lagu yaqiin diinta iyo kheeyrka Oo daman xaqa usoo halgamey kuna dadaalaayey Haduu dumarkii cawrada asturey dig ugu soo laabtey Diintiisu ineey naaqus tahay doodi kama taagna Dufna Allaha ku bixiyee falsalaq wax is doorshaane Dulmigiyo isgaadkiyo dilkiyo dunidan qaaceeysa Duul yaroo ka nabad galey fidnadan dumarka aafeeysey Oo Daa’inkeey dhowrey baa loo dan leeyahaye Ma’suuniyadu nimeey soo dirtaa loo daminayaaye Dharka inuu ka daadshuu rabey dirac u reebaaye Iimaan dihniga hor degeey wax uga diideene Islaaxoow haloo digo Qudubi waa dabeeyshadaye Ama tiisa door bida dibbaa loo xisaabtamiyee Doc isku raaca dowr muuqda ama keligii deerreeye Diwaanka waxaad geeysatiin daniyo yeelkiinee By Bacadle Lyric scripted from doollo, maqal section

"..euro communist/gucci socialist for a modern home and cheap electricity streamlined functional neat simplicity put yourself on the slum clearance list dial a dialectical materialist find out what your net potential is get married to an existentialist don't doubt your own identity dress down to a cool anonymity the pierre cardin line to infinity clothes to climb the meritocracy the new age of benevolent bureaucracy i like to visit all the big cities museums and municipal facilities i strive for critical ability i thrive on political activity i'm alive in a new society i arrive quickly quietly the car that i drive is the family variety roman catholic marxist leninist happily married to an eloquent feminist a lapsed atheist all my memories measure the multitude's deafening density psycho citizens are my enemies crypto nazis and their remedies keep the city silent as the cemetery's architechtural gothic immensity a new name on the less-than-kosher list the euro-communist / a gucci socialist.." -John Cooper Clarke For an audio version, visit: 57 production jukebox

Lol, interesting indeed. I advice you to visit www.primitivism.com . These 'primitivists' go as far as condemning numbers, as the problem behind all the destruction of the world. Click on >>Primitivism>> origin and meaning and number: its origin and evolution.