Tolka unyielding somali nationalism recognized

[burahadeer]

Xaaji Xunjuf;839634 wrote:

Burahadeer they don't want to use that name because the region was never part of the former Somali republic and When they gain their independence i don't think they will join with Somalia fighting for independence more than 128 years and than settle with being ruled from Mogadishu.There is a whole new identity in the making the youth from those regions call themselves O'gadenis now and days. The ONLF is also very vague about the future of the region they come with stuff like we will let the people decide.

 

 

and Kismayo will be their capital:D

[Abtigiis]

Jokes aside, the dream of setting up an Ogad.enia State even if the armed struggle succeeds is just pure, unmitigated fantasy!! No such entity can and should never exist. It is against the founding idealism of this struggle, which was anchored on strong pan-somalism. Naming the region Oga.denia is also a recipe for inter-clan conflict and is not acceptable.

[genius pauper.]

MoonLight1;839727 wrote:

Duke & JB have more clearer policies than you lot.

at least they know what they want.

this statement is blind to reality and fails the test of nationhood interest.

It considers the rigidity of political stands as a worth course, in the expense of the nobility of the course.

The wind of positive change should dictate our positions rather than the clan/regional/party policies.

 

Al xaqu yu daac

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Abtigiis are you saying the masses in Galbeed do not favor an Independent O'gaden state,If they are independent its all about the historical experience of a struggle and the common identity that is about to be shaped right now.

 

Burahadeer:D

[Abtigiis]

The majority of the masses will not favour an O state. Almost all non-Os do not want it, the silent majority of the O will not like it if oriented properly. I am confident Somalinimo will have a better appeal than O-nimo if they are put out as two choices in a free society.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Interesting the ONLF should be clear though what to do about the region when its independent because right now they don't have a clear policy they are just fighting for their independence, but they don't know what to do next.

[Abtigiis]

Ambiguity is better than clarity sometimes. It is dangerous now to say we will join Somalia, but i know many ONLF supporters and even leaders who privately agree that there is no substitute for pan-somalism. There are those who imbibed the O land fantasy too. But in the end, i think the independent O land idea is just not going to work.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Because i know people from those regions some prefer to be part of Ethiopia some say we can climb the ladder all the way up to the throne in Addis.But as you said the people the majority want to be independent from Ethiopia if given the chance but the dilemma comes what to do after independence. It will be more dangerous to keep silent about the future of the region,how about a referendum to join Somalia or not can that be an option?

[Abtigiis]

The most likely scenario for now is neither independence nor unification with Somalia.,so, why tire over thnigs that do not look like they will happen?!

[Che -Guevara]

The problem with ONLF is the same problem with all Somali movements and that's they either have no political goal or lack the competency to achieve their goal. What you are left with is an organization sending young men to their death without any clear and sustainable political ambition. It's one thing to say we want to liberate Somaligalbeed or rule Somalia but it's another to actually do it and have wits and skills to master it.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Che well don't blame them the ONLF is funded by the diaspora Somalis from Somali galbeed region there is no Somali State that supports their cause Military logistically financially. Its not so sure about their political objectives and how to reach those. Its not that they are not capable of securing their goals and its the not the leadership of ONLF.There might be some short expecations u want from the movement but we are talking about a rebel movement with no outside support only from Eritrea and a handful Somalis in the diaspora.

[xiinfaniin]

The O clan is great institutions , to equate to a clan is a lie.

 

We support ONLF, and think the O is important. Azania is an academic paper , no less no more. But the role of O in Kismayo is undeniable. We are not talking Barre Hiiraale here.

[Haatu]

Moonie, majority of those living in NFD today probably don't want to join Somalia in it's current state, but that is understandable. But it's another thing to pretend to be something you're not and deny your history and heritage like that corrupt politician is doing (these so called leaders claim to represent their people yet not one road has been repaired in the region for decades, forget building new ones. Garissa even lacks a proper sewage system). Also, remember that the people of NFD choose to join with Somalia at the time of Kenya's independence.

 

This is a sad state of affairs. So please, separate the two.

 

As for this Azania issue, clan divisions will lead us no where. People have to move on from that mentality.

[Qandalawi]

Azania is a force for good, they are fighting to remove Alshabaab from the region. The movement is doing a great job.

 

Also I concur with the article, the O group are great Somali nationalists, its undeniable that they have always yearned for and had a compelling passion for a greater Somalia - Somaliweyn.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

What a difference a year makes.