Why the Makhir project is positive?

[Jacaylbaro]

It is just a cover to forget the pain of puntland's fall ......

 

Shame on Cade Muse .... he failed the region

[NGONGE]

It's not Somaliland or Puntland that really confuse me in this. What I can't understand is what the other clan in this disputed area are going to do now? Will they stick with Puntland? Will they declare their own land? Surely the same reasons that led to the creation of Makhir also apply to them!

 

 

Maybe this is the way forward for all! Small groupings (lets call them sub-clans for argument sake) that live in certain areas (lets call them states) and defend these areas with all they've got! When there is a dispute amongst themselves, the elders gather under a tree and trash a solution out (lets call these......).

 

You know, this might just work. Seventeen years late but it may just work.

 

 

I mean: all they have to do is look at the godfathers of Somali enclaves. The Somaliland president is being criticised by almost everyone and the Puntland one is not loved by many! Everyone complains of corruption and fraud. The only thing that keeps it all intact (in Somaliland's case) is the more urgent drive for recognition. I don't think anything is keeping Puntland intact! The H thing that Baashe was telling me about all those years ago obviously stands for something else now, Hologram?

 

I wonder how much influence AY has in all these sideshows?

[Jamster]

Bad News. They are just irked by Ade, THEY OVERWHELMINGLY elected him. They should have stuck with this and fought him off.

 

Anyhow, this is not happening on the ground. Some wild ideas about sub clan soverieghnty. H Ngone refers to is sacred and even if this goes through, Maakhir will be an close ally with Puntland.

[Jacpher]

^Look at the positive side - more mini client state governments for Meles.

 

I shall phone up north and have us declare Bakeyle Republic.

 

Screw Somaliweyn. That's so in the 70s.

[Johnny B]

Lol@Hologram !

 

Ngonge, that is a word i`ll be thinking about on my way home .

 

Ideally speaking, the idea of Makhir ( what a name , who coined it? ) beeing an enotional scale-tilter between Somaliland Puntland is so destructive , though there is the clan issue that favors Puntland in that regard,it has to give in against the contrast of the fact that the State of Makhir(if it ever flies , that is) will actally reig over a former Puntland state.

 

Now beeing a bit realistic , though not given it`ll come off as an emotional victory for Somaliland.

 

I`ve heard Ade is sleeping well in Mogadishu so Puntland may for once get a local not another dying amber from the south as a president and beat Somaliland in that regard.

 

ps, were i u , i`d jump on that plane and have all the fun Norf had, here specially Mlps you`d take the next flight home .

[xiinfaniin]

lol@Hologram..

 

NGONGE, you are calling Baashe back sow maaha !

 

Waryee JB, I believe the news of Cadde’s demotion has reached you; the infallible King is now at bar with M Dheere of Benaadir. Some argue latest events could be in Puntland’s (Cadde's) advantage. Remember that state has been financing this tfg thing for some time now and the only politically correct way to compensate it for its prior favors is to come up with a legal façade that could bring it in the tfg framework. Hence the reported integration of some Puntland institutions (its militias, customs, security apparatus, etc) with the Gedi’s is nothing more than a profit sharing scheme--some say. It’s why Puntland elites are quite tightlipped with the old man’s current moves…they don’t see it as a consequential as it appears at the surface…

 

And on a second thought, I begun to think this Maakhir development could also be along those lines and not as fundamental a change as it's currently presented…

 

But what's clear though is the fact that the boys on the top of this Puntland thing has ran out of ideas...mar dhowna ayyaga iyo dadku waa is hardin doonnaan!

[General Duke]

Che-G. No settling anything with anyone, I have outlined the posative aspects of this state.

The comparison to the JVA here was simple. The people who inhabit the SANAAG region like all others of Puntland do not control it through the gun, unlike Gedo. You do not hear any clans claiming someone else occupies Dhahar, Galkacyu, Bossaso and so on.

 

JB: Why the fall of Puntland? How does Puntland loose if the Sanaag region recognises the TFG, Somaluweyn and accepts the flag. Remmeber now even the security of Puntland is under the TFG.

 

Who looses, Puntland or the Secessionists because these Makhir boys are fighting to regain the control of Ceerigabo.

[QabiilDiid]

Add the upcoming Tsunami to the mix and the sovereignty recognition façade drummed up by secessionists in Hargeisa, will fade out and with ALLAH’s permit will be eradicated from Somali political landscape before 2009 federal election.

 

The readings of earthquake sensing devices buried in Borama and areas that are capable of sending signals to Djibouti are indicating, the Somalis in the far north western region of the Republic are in the final stages of declaring THE AWDAL FEDERAL STATE OF SOMALIA soon after the Somali Reconciliation Conference in Mogadishu wraps up. It is predicted that this project will have the support of 91.9 % of the Somali people.

 

It is rumored that the people in Hargeisa, Burcao and Berbera triangle are advised to jumpstart the search for an appropriate name for their federal state as there will no more land-land fiefdoms in the Federal Republic of Somalia territories.

 

What name would you suggest? As Hargeysaawi, my choice is “DUNBULUQ FEDERAL STATE OF SOMALIA” . No doubt in my mind and in the minds of rational Somalis the boys from so called “aristocratic genes” who blindfoldingly follow the SNM gang destructive schemes are not going to be happy with my suggestion. But, who cares? Let them fill up their stomachs from the Hageisa’s riverbed sand dunes.

 

The begining of the end.

[General Duke]

They lost SOOL years ago when the people of the regional capital chased Riyaale all the way to Burco.

 

They claimed they still held SANAAG, now the discussion in the majority of Sanaag is not about Hargaysa, the people of Sanaag are looking towards Mogadishu.

 

The readings of earthquake sensing devices buried in Borama and areas that are capable of sending signals to Djibouti are indicating, the Somalis in the far north western region of the Republic are in the final stages of declaring THE AWDAL FEDERAL STATE OF SOMALIA soon after the Somali Reconciliation Conference in Mogadishu wraps up. It is predicted that this project will have the support of 91.9 % of the Somali people.

Long live the Federal Republic of Somalia.

[General Duke]

^^^Adeer no insults, its against the rules. How would you defend the fading dream that is "Somaliland". Gone is SOOL, SANAAG and Cayn and soon will follow Awdal. Then what?

 

Dont loose your cool, we do not want to see your ugly side old man.

[QabiilDiid]

******* OOD, keep coming... bring more...i love it...

 

[ August 14, 2007, 02:29 AM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

[NASSIR]

Che, when you say "disaffected", you are implicitly endorsing SL and PL. We can't be disaffected by any entity, but we are being betrayed by valued kindship on one side and regional interest on the otherside and hence decided to take things into our own hands.

 

But since our country has returned to the state of nature as in the past whereby every clan shifted for itself, my political stance is that Rer Sanaag and Western Bari have given their allegiance to Maakhir State. "Somaliland" is a local level adminstration and any major clan can set up hastily an adminstration to accomodate their displaced families and provide security and public services in the absence of permanent Somali Government.

 

 

May be this article could shed some light.

 

 

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The Formation of The Maakhir State of Somalia

Too Little Too Late?

By: Abdalla A. Hirad

Saturday, August 11, 200

 

It may have been a little too soon or, indeed, surprising to many outside the community of the newly proclaimed Maakhir State of Somalia, as the people of the territory now officially call themselves. Read proclamation and related information at Laas Qoray.net

 

But the idea is not strange to or new among the Maakhirites. Ever since the collapse of the Somali government in January 1991, the initiative was being increasingly contemplated by the community, alongside political considerations to maintain good neighborly relations with its neighboring communities to the East, West and South as well as maintaining internal harmony within the Maakhir community itself.

 

Maintaining such a balance has not been easy, given that, on the one hand, there have always been those within the community—a minority—who have preferred to explore the possibility of cementing political relations with northern clans including the Issacs, the Gadabursi and ***********, with a view to maintaining peace and stability in the northern regions, in the interim period, during the absence of national government. I must hastily add that some may have even been considering cementing those relations between the northern communities towards reconfiguration into a new political compact under the banner of what has come to be known as “Somaliland”. Needless to mention that these have been a negligible minority.

 

On the other hand, there were those who valued kinship (tolnimo) over non-kinship-based regional interests (Ood) and were therefore inclined to unconditionally amalgamate with their kinsmen in a “Puntland” Federal State. Indeed, a greater rationale for joining a “Puntland” or a “*****” compact, tilting the balance to the East, has been the collective wish of the community to neutralize the separatist intentions of “Somaliland”, in the interim period, and while there was no national government in Somalia. However, the majority of the Maakhirites remained in the middle, with a preference to a region or a State of their own, independent of both sides—“Somaliland” and “Puntland”.

 

As a result of this precarious political situation the community remained in a limbo between its nationalist motto and aspirations for independence and its interim goals to achieve peace and stability in the region and with surrounding communities. The downside of these noble and lofty considerations has been that it may have dearly cost the community in terms of rehabilitation, reconstruction and development in the interim period. In fact, both the hopes of those preferring amalgamation with “Puntland” as well as those bent on cementing relations within “Somaliland” have failed. While constantly hampering and frustrating the aspirations of the majority of the Maakhirites for independence and self reliance, these entities have also contributed to the community’s underdevelopment and lack of progress during the interim period, since the collapse of government in 1991.

 

The United Nations may have contributed with its lion’s share in undermining the community’s interest and aspiration for independence and self-reliance, in this regard. The UN’s Administrative Zoning Program which divided Somalia into Administrative Zones for providing relief and rehabilitation assistance in 1992, as recommended at the time by the former Secretary-General’s Envoy to Somalia, Mr. Muhammad Zahnoun, has been the major culprit in this regard. Zahnoun’s zoning program which remains operative until this day, as adopted by the Security Council at that time, had lumped the community with the North West region—in other words, “Somaliland”.

 

However, despite the bogus claim of Maakhir regions by “Somaliland” as part of its territory, the regions remained neglected by the international community since its share of resources for relief, rehabilitation and reconstruction assistance was being channeled via Hargeisa, the leadership of which remained deliberately swayed against letting the assistance through to the Maakhir community. On the other hand, assistance through “Puntland” was thwarted on the grounds that the Maakhir community’s share of international assistance was appropriated through the North West or “Somaliland”. So the community’s partial association and relationship with both entities has amounted to no more than lib service. Indeed, those precarious conditions which kept the community hanging in the middle have rendered it a victim of the prevailing geographical, political and administrative circumstances surrounding its recent existence

 

Ironically, despite these ill-fated circumstances of the recent past, the community has throughout the centuries remained independent and self-reliant. With a shoreline extending between Bossasso to the East and bordering on Maydh to the West, facing the Gulf of Aden, fisheries has remained an occupation as well as an opportunity for investment in the area throughout the centuries. Laskoreh, a port city in the area was the choice of the Somali government of the early sixties to build a large scale fish factory. Since the collapse of government, another smaller factory has been built by means of private investment attracting share holders from business from other parts of Somalia.

 

Overlooking the shoreline is an invariably lush, green and fertile northern slope of the Golis Range Mountain, known to the locals as Cal Madow, which has for millennia provided for the produce of frankincense among many other potentially high value crops. With a plateau stretching from the bottom of the southern slope of the mountain to the northern banks of the Nugal valley to the south, which is good for grazing and all-season livestock raring, the area has for the centuries past remained self-supporting and independent. In addition to a great potential for infrastructure and tourism development, the area has been a candidate for mineral, gas and petroleum exploration. It is a known fact that the American Petroleum Company, Elf, had conducted offshore oil exploration in the mid eighties. In the last couple of years the government of Puntland signed deals with an Australian conglomerate for mineral exploration, which sparked the famous Mija Yahan skirmishes between the community and some government troops, resulting in the death of about 10 persons. (Click here to see the map of the area: Laas Qoray.Net

 

Endowed with this potential for natural resource development and a traditional heritage of independence, the community has a comparative advantage over many parts of Somalia to make its bid for its autonomy as a federal entity of Somalia. That independence is historically documented, whereby the current Sultan Said Abdusalaam Mohamoud Ali Shire of the area is the 26th generation of a long line of Sultans (or Grads). Most widely known to recent history is Sultan Mohamoud Ali-Shire, the Sultan of Somaliland, and the grand father of the current Sultan. Click here for a glimpse of the history: Northern Somali sultanates.

 

As indicated above, the initiative started with a 33 member parliament, the President and 7 member cabinet—a very modest undertaking. A few of the members of the government whose names I recognize had served in the upper and lower houses of “Somaliland”, including the President and the Minister of Justice and Religion. For now, there is a requirement of an overwhelming Maakhirite support within the area and from abroad as well as financial support through remittances from the Maakhirite community in the Diaspora, for the initiative to get off the ground. As the saying goes, there is no stopping for an idea whose time has come. The fact remains though: the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Hence, the establishment of the Maakhir State is very much contingent in how much support and funding it receives from the people it is meant to serve—especially during its embryonic stage. Click here for additional information by other Somali websites:

Somaliaonline.com.

 

Finally, the Maakhir State will as a matter of course engage in talks with its neighbors to be able to define its borders. The fact that both the cities of Erigavo and Bossasso and their suburbs have sizable Maakhirite communities does not make the negations any easier. In the meantime, it seems that, therefore, the new political leadership and the traditional one have their tasks cut out for them, in this respect.

 

Abdalla A. Hirad

E-Mail:MHirad@aol.com

 

Source: Wardheernews.com

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

"Bad News. They are just irked by Ade, THEY OVERWHELMINGLY elected him. They should have stuck with this and fought him off."

this is what bothers me, the people who voted Cade Muuse were the delegates from sool iyo sanaag who ignored one of ther own Maxamed xashi who would have become president if they gave him half their votes. rer sool iyo sanaag new very well that Xashi was against curroption. Its known by all that he would appear early in the morning to check that each minister was in his office unlike cade who is in a permanent vocation. they new that general cade muuse, unlike Xashi's, leadership skills were untested. despite this, thanks to the maney months his spent with rer sool iyo sanaag, they supported him. the salution to this is not make up some imagenary state within sanaag, but to lead an effort to impeach cade or force him to comply with your demands in parliament by building coalitions.

[NASSIR]

Gabay Maakhir maammul baa loo dhisoo mahad ilaah weeye

 

Maxamuud Axmed Cabdalle

 

Waxan halka uga hambalyaynaynaa dhammaan bulsha weynta Soomaaliyeed. Waxan hambalyo gaara u diraynaa dadka Reer Maakhir oo markii ugu horraysay iyagu isku tashaday, samaystayna maamul goboleed cusub. Gabaygan oo uu tiriyey Maxamuud Axmed Cabdalle, wuxu soo baxay bishan Agoosto 12, sannadda 2007-da. Waxa abwaanku u hadiyaynayaa gabaygan dadka Reer Maakhir, wuxuna dhiirri gelinayaa maamulka halkaa dhowaan lagaga dhawaaqay.

 

 

Wuxu Yiri:

 

Adduunyadan iskala miidhaysee la isku maandhaafay

Ee la is mohoobiyi talaa lagu muquunshaaye

Nimaan tiisa meel marin aqoon mooyi lagu dhaafye

 

Maakhir maammul baa loo dhisoo mahad ilaah weeye

Maahir-baa ka soo baxay nafluhu kala miciin roone

Midigtuu Jibriil kaashadaye cidi ma meelayne

 

Waa gobol makhluuqaadka dega lagu mabsuudaaye

Waa gobol milgiyo dhaqan da’ weyn lagaga miistaaye

Malyuunbaa ku dhaqan aan qabiil lagu masaalayne

 

 

 

Waa gobol maqaan weyn sidii Muniyo Baarliine

Magaalooyin badan baa ku yaal oo mihiib galahe

Sayidkii ka maahmaah kolkuu Badhan muraadaayey

 

Mansabkay Buraan waa lahayd waa mawaad qorane

Midhishoo dalxiis loo tagiyo Ceelbuh milicdeeda

Dhahar muunadley iyo Carmale waa degaan mudane

 

Waa gobol Mur iyo Maydi iyo midho ka buuxaane

Madarka iyo beeraha Galgala mooskii laga beerye

Macaluul ma taal iyo darxumo maato li’ataaye

 

Waa gobol mawaashiga hantida Mawlahay dhigaye

Maandeeqda geeliyo fardaha Mawle wuxu siiyey

Meesiga lo’aad iyo adhiga laga macaashaaye

 

Magar wada ugaadhaa ku badan oon masruuf geline

Macdan iyo Batroolbaa ku jira oo manfac u roone

Majayahan nimcada taal ayaan cidina moogayne

 

Waa gobol mahiigaan ka da’o guga mullaaxdiise

Muguc wada xareediyo, manqiyo, togaggu waa muushe

Cashu waa magool kolay ku tahay milayga jiilaale

 

Waa gobol marsada Laasqoriyo Maydhba gaar u lehe

Waa gobol mushtarigiyo ku wacan maal la tabacdaaye

Waa gobol masuulkii tashiyo odaygu muuqdaaye

 

Waa gobol bad lagu meeriyoo baahi aan mudane

Moolkeeda weyn waxad ka heli madhax aan guurayne

Mudka iyo Tarraqaddaa ku filan meel kastaba yaale

 

Waa gobol markay qurux tagtana lala masaynayne

waa gobol ishii milicsataa muhasho deynayne

Surad iyo Manaabaa ku yaal mool la daawado’e

 

Dayibkiyo Madheedhkaa ka baxa mudhe Galoolkiiye

Maygaagga iyo Jiica iyo Qudhac malleexaanle

Margoogtiyo Hareeriga bataa muuso kuu qabane

 

Mahwi Ceeri laysugu yimoo gole la maageeray

Madaddaalo jaandheer la tumay Muxibbo boodayso

Meertadiyo jiibtaa kalgacal muuso kuu qabane

 

Martidoo habeen soo geb tiri oo mir lagu sooray

Oo magac Sanaag waa hiddee sharaf la maamuusay

Maaweeladiyo sheekadaa muuso kuu qabane

 

Guur mihindiskiisiyo markii xidid la muuneeyo

Miisaan hablood iyo halyey la isku meeleeyo

Meherka iyo haasawahaa muuso kuu qabane

 

Kolkii muran dhexyaal aadamaha oo la kala maago

Muqdarkiyo cirroolaha kolkii talada loo meersho

Muddac iyo muddaacaley gartaa muuso kuu qabane

 

Afartaasi mayaygii cirkiyo moodda galabtii dheh

Maansooyinkuu Maxamed Nuur meerin jirey waa dheh

Mahadhadii Afdhaaliyo, Xuseen mihindiskoodii dheh

 

Soomaaliya masiibadii heshaa maaro loo helaye

Anaa miiggan iyo macangagnimo laysku mari waaye

Nin waliba muskuu degu jiruu maanka ku hayaaye

 

Masiirkeeni lumay wuxu ku iman taada maammulo’e

Micnaha dawladnimo may aqoon mooshinkii hore’e

Macluumaadka Fadaraalka waa inan mihiibnaaye

 

Gobol wali martabadduu dhistuu, yuu ku meel mariye

Mataanay ahaan dani marnaba kala maqnaysiine

Maammulkaa saraa loo tartami maalmo dabadeede

 

Muqdishiyo Kismaayaa mardhow Mawle fahansiine

Miyirbaa arlada loogu ledi maaxdii nabad weyne

Bal maxaa la isku dili gobol waliba waa ismaamuliye!

 

 

08/12/2007

Maxamuud Axmed Cabdalle

abdalle@hotmail.com

[NGONGE]

Caamir,

 

Still not good enough really. Those same excuses were used as the reason not to be part of Somaliland. If you notice above, I talked about what Baashe told me in the past about the disputed areas. I think it was in early 2005 when a staunch Somalilander claimed that 2005 was the year when great things will happen in Somaliland (I think he meant recognition). I had a long discussion with Baashe back then over the disputed territories (check a thread with the title: 2005 a great year for Somaliland).

 

Back then, I asked why the people of those parts did not revolt against the creation of Somaliland and refuse to be part of such an entity. I got lots of answers and many (as is obvious now) excuses. These areas, Baashe and others argued, are part of Puntland, always have been and always will be! The people of these areas did not go to the Burco conference and have never approved of Somaliland. They only kept quit because they had no power to resist (or something along those lines). They waited patiently for seven years until Puntland was created and a few years later, when they were sure of themselves, were happy to throw their lot with their H cousins. Because after all, as I was led to understand, blood is thicker than water!

 

Well, now and with the creation of this new State, it seems that all that was nothing but outrageous spin! You can't be a diehard Puntlander one day and the next; you create your own State with a PRESIDENT and CABINET! Any rational and sane person looking at this would easily conclude that the people of this new State have no faith whatsoever in the State of Puntland!

 

Now, of course one can see the positive things about the creation of this State (should have been done sooner if you ask me). It will mean that the people of that sub-clan (for lets be honest, this is more of a clan thing than anything else) will be in charge of their own destiny without having to be broken into different groups kowtowing to different masters (Somaliland and Puntland). It may mean that they will no longer be regarded as a disputed area and some international aid may reach those parts. In fact, as a separate State it will most undoubtedly mean that they'll have a bigger say and more weight when dealing with the TFG (since they confess to still be a part of the Somali Republic).

 

Alas, the negatives are much more worrying. With the number of times these boys have changed their minds in the past seventeen years (First with Somaliland, then with Puntland and then some went back to Somaliland, and yet later the exact same people back to Puntland!) one wonders if they'll finally stick to their guns and stay with this new State. Lets assume no international aid is forthcoming and they're still (internationally at least) regarded as part of Somaliland, will they abandon this new toy State? Will they run with their tails between their legs back to Puntland or will they stick it out?

 

If their argument is to do with the progress the TFG is making, one will have to honestly ask WHAT PROGRESS? It's quite obvious that whatever steps forward the TFG is making it will still be a long time before it's ready to deal with less pressing backwaters such as Makhir State! How will the Makhir entity cope? And, as I already hinted on my first reply above, has it really any hope when it chose a former General as its president? In fact, how long before we see threads in these pages referring to him as a warlord or former Siyad spy?

 

I really don't mean to rain on your parade or come across as unnecessarily harsh but I'm not fully convinced with the whole idea of Makhir land. The whole thing reminds me of the story of the man that went to the Zoo and told the animals a joke. All the animals found it funny and laughed their heads off. A week later, the same man went to the Zoo and as he was passing by the various cages he noticed that the donkey was happily chuckling away! The man was amused and asked the other animals about the reason that's making the donkey laugh. The animals said: HE FINALLY UNDERSTOOD YOUR JOKE!