Tone, Doesn't the Somaliland government also support Melez?

Oh Duke, I got it know. Like checking in airports, TFG troops leave behind their clans? What was I thinking!

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^ To all these individuals who have a problem reading no one is talking about the dead boys may Allah give them mercy. However our sciope is on those who sent them there and who ran away leaving them to be slaughtered or maimed or die of thirst. Why have the clown leaders avoided the paradise that they were promising? Now they send video tapes and audio interviews on paltalk :mad: , shame on all of you and you will face justice in this life and hearafter insha Allah.. Once again, your mouth is in high gear but your brain is in neutral. Either say something of substance (humour me budd), else please stop spreading your noxious miasma over the fora, ok? Thanks! Trafficking in human tragedy -- which this thread was undeniable intended to do -- is absolutely dispicable. Pi, IndhoCadde, I'm happy to report, is in tip-top shape and back in the thick of things. Latest reports have the Mujahid in Las Canood, among his clansmen. They're occupying the poor rer Las Canood and I even heard sensational accounts stating they (Abdiqaasim, Cirfo, IndhoCadde, Aweys etc) are farming drugs there. You see, I wasn't being facetious when I said he's under your bed. Seriously, I'd check under my bed every night if I were you.

There's no such thing as TFG troops. Just clan militias that donned new uniforms. Who, by the way, are just as liable to mutiny and desertion.

Originally posted by Pi: Where did their leader Indha Cadde go? Under your bed.

It is indeed a spectacle to witness Ilma Tigrey grieving for Somalis. Those young men will be remebered for their heroic deeds -- defending their HOME LAND from invading Ethiopians -- for all posterity. But you Melez cheerleaders will only serve as dark blot in Somali history. That is if you're so lucky as be deigned with such unsavory distinction.

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I wonder what the pork thinks of all this hoopla.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^Yes it is Puntland flag is the bluse five star, its capital is Mogadishu its President Yusuf, Its PM Geedi.. What? In this thread below you said Puntland doesn't come under the authority of the TFG, in other words Puntland is de facto independent entity... now you say it does. So, I ask again did you have change of mind or are you still schizophrenic about Puntland and the TFG? Read one of Duke's personalities

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^Oh my brother are you pretending ? Are you jesting with me or are you for real? Here is the background on the lower Shabeble before the TFG came and wiped them out. report on lower Shabbele SOL thread General, I know this is difficult for you but bear with me, ok? Please SUBSTANTIATE your allegation of particular sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-clan single handedly and against the will of the locals occupy a region nearly as big as Puntland. This is simply unbelievable. To be honest it sounds something right out of Hollywood or those Fadhi-isku-dirir where wild conspiracy theories are hatched. I read your links and they're complete hogwash. Nothing of substance, certainly won't suffice in a court of law. Where as before I was skeptical of your claims, now I'm skeptical of article you posted. How do I decide who's telling the truth? An article is not evidence for anything but an article. You need hard evidence because that's the only way you can substantiate your claims.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^The clown courts whate ever they were did not defend Shariah, but the spoils they looted in the 1990s. They fought to keep the lower Shabbele under occupation. You get more outlandish by the day. I get the looted part, there were lootings all over Somalia from late 80s all throughout the 90s but what occupation of Lower Shabelle are you talking about?

Originally posted by General Duke: Somaliland aside...the rest of the country has one governemnt one millitary and one parliment and one cabinet. You left out Puntland. According to you, Puntland is not under TFG control. Have you changed your mind?

Originally posted by General Duke: Socod try again that was a terrible attempt. That's probably the most intelligent thing you said all night.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^ 1. The TFG controls the whole country, the Clan clowns only ever controled Mogadishu. I guess that explains why they're begging for more AU troops, because they got everything under control. Tells us why the TFG is desparately sending ous SOS signals for AU troops if it controls the whole country. Do you ever read what you write? 2. The TFG has set up admins for the whole country. The clan courts could not out of fear their own sub-clans would fight over it. I take joy in finally seeing you truly humbled, comparing the ICU - popular movement - with a "transitional FEDERAL government". Methinks you shot yourself in the leg here. 3. The TFG implements well planned strategies. You mean commiting political suicide by chearleading for Ethiopian invation and defending American daisy-cutters pulverizing poor nomads in the South Somalia? Saxiib, what are you smoking? You get more and more outrageous with your claims. Planned strategy kulahaa! This government is the antithesis of sound fore planning. They couldn't have messed up any worse. 4. Mogadishu will be a Somali city for all, with the return of property & rights to all clans. I really have no clue as to which Mogadishu you're refering to. The one that is in Southern Somalia was always a city for all Somalis, even during the height of the civil war.

You're getting more pathetic by the day. Facts are facts and BS is BS. And as much as you wish, you can't simply close your eyes and wish away facts. The ICU brought peace to Xamar where your beloved TFG can barely survive there let alone assert it's control.

Originally posted by General Duke: NO, he can not. Of course he can't, we knew that much already. I wonder what was it you didn't agree with me? Now, do you not see the unfairness with a region that's a signatory to the 4.5 formula -- ie Puntland -- appointing it's own president while the TFG president (also from Puntland) hand picks for other regions?

cripple the Soviet Empire Back off on dear Uncle Joe and the glorious USSR. Without them (they defeated the Nazi's well lubricated war machine almost on their own), the fascist Nazis would prolly be running the world. And my life would be immeasurably worse off.

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^lol. You are confused saxib, Puntland takes orders from the TFG it is part of the TFG, it has supported the TFG when no on else did, it has never wavered in its support. Support and taking orders wasn't what I was talking about, now was it? Once again, you resort to your favourite gimmick: strawman arguements. Clarify something for me. Can the president of the TFG appoint the leader of Puntland like he appointed the leaders of other regions? Yes or NO.

Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist: Where in the text have I expressed that the governmental/public entities are "my land". Well you insinuated, just look at what you say below: I'm simply pointing out the fact that these qaxooti ppl, IDPs in politically correct language, are occopying buildings and houses that they aren't allowed to reside in. For a man who protests no ownership of public lands you sure do talk like you own these properties. Let me remind once again that these properties, as we agreed, belong to the government not to you. You have no say over the fate of these properties, certainly you're in no position to say whether they're allowed to "reside" in them or not since it's not yours. It'll eventually be up to future national government (read: not this facade of a government). Future national, regional and municipal governments will decide what to do with squatters/occupiers of government lands.

Originally posted by General Duke: [QB] Socod you keep confusing yourself, the Puntland admin was a building block of the TFG. /QB] I think it's you who's confusing himself. On one hand you support Puntland as a semi-autonomous region above and beyond the executive reach of the president of 4.5 government, a region that selects it's own president while at the same time advocating for the 4.5 formula. The position you hold is internally contradictory. The president of 4.5, AY, deposes and appoints regional leaders as he pleases. But the region he hails from is beyond his authority. Why? Because it says so. Basically this results in all of Italian Somaliland being under one subclan. Either all regions get their leaders appointed by the president of 4.5 or those self-declared semi-autonomous regions withdraw their clan representatives.

Clannish vindictiveness has reached a new all time low. R.I.P Somalia

The question of our times is: was Allah-ubaahne always a little cuckoo or is he losing his marbles of late?

I've said it before this sham 4.5 formula needs major revamp. All of Italian Somaliland is under one clan presidancy which makes mockery of the 4.5 formula. You can't have it both ways. You either retain your Puntland president and have nothing to do with presidency of the rest of Somalia or the president of Puntland is appointed by the self-appointed "president" of the TFG who already appoints leaders for various regions of Somalia.

Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist: The ppl that are fleeing, have been qaxootis in Mogadishu during the last decades that past. The correct term is Internally Displaced Persons, they're 10s of thousands of them in Mogadishu and other major cities across Somalia. What drew them there is the same as what drove out the initial residents of the cities. War. Cities have medical services, aid organisations and other modern amenities that are indispensable to the impovershed and needy. These destitute and famished people mostly comprise the so called "occupiers of looted property" in Mogadishu. Looted properties is really misnomer pertaining to these because most of them don't assert ownership over their dwellings if seriously challenged. If you've been to Mogadishu before the current confligration you'll note many lived in abject conditions, often living out of partially destroyed "private properties". I call these people squatters of vacant properties. Most will readily vacate if conditions permit, so there's essentially no problem of getting back any honesty gained property of yours when everything settles down again. [/qb]They are mostly the ppl that have unseemly been occopying government and public buildings. [/qb] What is it to you if they occupy public and government lands? It's not your land.