Customary Laws.....Interesting. I do favor customary laws, but sadly I think traditional leaders of today do not look out for the interest of perspective tribes. Besides I think confederacy looks good in paper, but might not work out in real life since all minorities and smaller tribes are going to be under-represented. We need central goverment that can protect the rights of all individual somalis in every regions, a federal goverment perhaps.

The Pashtuns consider Ben Laden and Co as their guests. Giving up one's guest to an adversary is no no in Pashtun culture.They will literally fight to death in order to protect Ben Laden.Giving up Ben Laden "their guest" equals to dishonoring the Pashtun way of doing things. N Pashtun wants to see that since Pashtuns place honor above everything else. Anyway they are great ppl with unique culture. I had few Pashtun friends, interesting bunch.

Originally posted by Spadez: The reason you and I dissagree is not one based on ideology, say with Horn Afrique, Soyaal, and Che however misguided would like to see Somaliland as an integral part of the Union, because they believe in Pan-Somalia as a principle. With them, a debate can be had on principles and ideas. You can't debate with some one who sees things through tribal lines. Saaxib, If the Che that you refer to is me, then you have misqouted me. On contrary, as southerner, I support the breakway republic to go its own way. If Somaliland doesn't want to be an integral part of Somalia. It is fine by me. I do believe in Pan Somali Ideology or more specifically Pan Somali Ideology that encourages the unity of all willing somali regions . The key thing is choice.

Sahal...Saxiib, we can all agree that no qabiil in the south wants to secede from Somali proper.Obviously there are issues to be solved,but I doubt any Southerner would want to farther divide the country. As for the matter of SSH, that depends on what the tribes inhabiting SSH decide.Despite what many believe,neither Hargeysa nor Mogadisho/Garowe can impose their will on SSH people. The final decision will be theirs only, and everyone will have to accept it. Mob...Saaxib, Iam well aware of Qabiil politics. N If thats what SLand would engage, and they will be in a rude awakening. The Somali civil war was awkful,but one thing it taught us all is that no one qabiil can impose their will on the rest of Somalis. Whether they are part of Sland or Somalia, one thing is certian people of SSH will not be second citizens in their own lands.

Hello Folks I guess yu guys are still at it....LoL Anyway, this is for my southern folks. I agree with Rahima. We should forget about united Somalia,but rather focus our energy on rebuilding our beloved Somalia.Somalinimo should be a choice. Those who choose not to join us should be left alone. The most important goals for us now should be achieving lasting peace, desposing of warlords, restoring Somali statehood, reconciling and winning back our dignity. What happens in Hargiesa should be the least of our concerns. Farther more I believe we should abandon the Pan-Somali Ideology. Neither SomaliGalbeed, SLand, or Jbouti is interested in one United Somalia. Chasing after an unrealistic goal is waste of time and energy. Our energy could be better utilized by protecting and promoting Somalia's interests in the Horn and the world. Let other somalis charter their own destiny.

We live in consumer driven capitalistic society. These things are expected. At da end all that matters is da BUCK. Another day , Another Dollar! N those who said women are less bashed or exploited.... did anybody da beer commercial where two women ripping each other's garments have cat fight in swimming pool while da boys watch...Iam sure da US TV viewers saw this...Now dat classic explotation objectifying women as sex toys for boys to enjoy while zipping a cold Budweiser.......In capitalism everything is exploited, no exceptions. They will be more dumb n moronic guys to come on TV. Get used to it. Originally By Lucky.....Ameenah...LoL...what are u gonna do with the big maqas? Do yu really have to ask..? Iam certain it is for not hair cuts. Ok...Ameenah...IT is da day after Martin Luther King Day...Lets talk peace, not war. I hope da queen is willing to negotiate for da commong good. After we are people of da same species....

Check dis article Man survives leap into lion's den A lion pounced on Mr Tomas after he taunted it A man is recovering from minor injuries after jumping into the lion pen at an Argentine zoo and taunting the animals. Lucas Tomas, 22, was said to have held his jacket like a bullfighter's cape at one of Buenos Aires zoo's two lions. The lion, Quique, reacted by pouncing on him and repeatedly biting at him. TV footage showed the animal on top of him, visibly biting him at least once. Hospital officials said Mr Tomas was being treated for wounds to arms and face as well as psychological problems. Tranquillised The zoo's chief veterinarian, Miguel Rivolta, described how Mr Tomas entered the enclosure on Sunday and tried to goad one of the lions. "He jumped into the lion's pen, and when the lions didn't react, he took off his jacket and egged them on," said Mr Rivolta. "It was an act of madness." He said the lions initially took no notice of their unexpected visitor - being used to the zookeepers - but the man persisted in teasing them. Zoo officials eventually managed to tranquilise Quique, and Mr Tomas climbed out and was taken to hospital. Fernandez Hospital's chief medic, Juan Carlos Ramares, said the patient told the authorities he had been ordered by "voices from God" to enter the lion's den. Source: BBC

Well It is good to see da Indians taming da Aussies....I did like watching cricket in particular one day Internationals. Games between India and Pakistan are my fav to watch. I like to watch da games between da Assies n West Indies. Xidigi Woqoyiga....I gotta agree Rahul is da main player now, but somehow he is not given da credit, he deserves....But I still think this man (below) is da best cricketer.

http://cyberbeg.com I thought share dis site with yu guys....Some things are funny, some sound serious. Yu be da judge. Later

Well I thought sane folks will prevail in da end therefore setting up an example for da rest of Somalia. But it turns Sland N Pland just made another blunder. Heck wats new...Just few more dead maryooley......N da tragedy continues....Millions dead n still counting.

Samuria.....Walaal Waa laga fiican yahay waxaan.....Enough with dis useless rethoric.

Geedid.....So, Ina Abdulle, Barre, Dafle, all came from one ethnic, and screwed somalis including their own people. Does dat justify wat happened in mogadisho...SXB, you can't condenm the tragedies in Hargesya, and then go on to say those who died in Xamar deserved simply by virtue of their Qabiil. If the tragedies of Xamar 91 extinguished anything, it extinguished the the belief that one qabiil can't dominate da other.One would think da boys in Hargesya would understand that considering their history. Here is a simple fact Las Anod doesn't share the dreams of Hargeysa, and no can force da hargeysa's ideology onto da people. If you ask me if anything needs to be extinguished anywhere, It should be in Hargesya. I guess da folks there is still high on (supposed) SNM invicibility. Riyaale might as well make himself da new barre, n da good folks of SSH will be new SNM . Later Yaar

Opinionated...Point taken.

Gediid....I guess da tragedy of Xamar 91 means something else to yu. yu think Sland army can achieve da same thing in SSH...LOL... ethnically cleansed, and kill everyone remotely look Plander(Qabiils)I guess everyone is finally showing their true color. My advice to all of yu....Stop day dreaming, n stop useless references about dervishes, SNM, n all dat crap.....Nobody will ever succeed in occupying a land that doesn't belong to them.....Da good ppl of Bay n Bakool are da most decent n peaceful of all somalis, but they too took arms n kick out savage invaders from mudug....Anyone thinking that they can claim SSH is simple delusional. SSH belongs to SSH people, Yusuf n Riyaale should stay out.

Maybe yu should consider marrying Muslims outside da somali community.

War OG-Moti.....Somali iska ilow , too Muslin ah oo Cambodian ku Qabo....Maybe you will find your queen there.

Opinionated....Wow...Walaal....my response was meant to be humorious or rather sarcastic n steroetypical take on somalis in da west, not serious criticism or belief from my part..I guess yu didn't find it funny. I didn't think adding da word " feminist" would tick off anyone...Anyway Iam all for fighting people's rights...Everybody is entitled to their rights, and should also voice their grievances....I think all sectors of somali society should be heard, and respected, the rights of somali women should be at top of da list. Iam also not naive as to say that somalis should conform to one thing or another. People change or adapt...It is part of human survival. Lets just hope dat we all change for da better.

War is not da answer. But I get da feeling if this thing is not settled quickly, war will be inevitable. The so called administrations in Hargeysa n Garowe neither care nor understand the needs of da people SSH. People are dissatisfied with Riyaale n Yusuf. SSH offers an oppurtunity to divert people's attention. These men won't hestitate to take dat oppurtunity if dat means saving their current jobs. Besides, the very idea of Sland n Pland make no sense anymore. Sure the two regions have achieved what other parts of somalia couldn't. But lets be honest, these qabiil based regions are not going anywhere without mogadisho. Sadly the residents of these regions are being feed lies,and many are buying it, their hopes are rising. Prepare for another dissappiontment. If this war does occur, well it is downhill from there.....My prayers goes to the people of SSH.....During Barre's era, people of Sool might have been on the wrong side of conflicts, but today reer sool aad iyo aad ayaa looga gardaran yahay. Hargeysa n Garowe can fight the wars in their own lands, n leave SSH out of dis.

Well old man, I can't afford to forgo reality even for second, and I don't subject my ideas upon anybody ( Atleast I try not to). What drives me to came here is to see how the nomads in da west evolved, and observe the many characters here, da old nomads, Hip Hop gangsta wannabe, da feminists, da so called intellectuals, da qabiilists, da plain dumb ones, da fadhi ku dirir, da religious fanatics, da funny folks, self rightous people, and da sarcastic ppl. Da fun part is watching da these characters interact, argue and reason. What inspires me to write?.....Well I just write something whenever iam feeling sarcastic, or some thing I don't agree with is being said in politics section, even though lately I don't go there anymore since Slanders n Planders took da fun out da place. Of course, I only try write in my free time. Well bro, if I may ask, what inspires you to write?

Lakkad...Adeer ha misqoute gareen noh...I said abaartii daba dheer, not Gugii daba dheer. N Bismaalahi ye jilaalkii dacuunka maad usoo joogtay......Wasn't dat like in 1904 or something...LoL BrownSuga....I have hard believing somalis even they are telling their real DOB...Like Caremel kisses said many were born under Geed....Besides birth dates were not real important facts for our ancestors to remember, and many somalis still don't know when they were actually born. Luckly.....Lol.....I heard many stories like dat....Iam not if it is actual true, but somebody once told that there was poultry factory where the workers are predominantly somalis. Almost every somali's birth date was Jan 1. Caramel_kisses....Abaartii daba dheer was one of many droughts that hit somalia. Malakia.....Happy Birthday Yaar.

Brown-Suga...I thought yu would know this....Most somalis in da qurba were born in Jan first....Of coarse these birth dates are only used for immigration papers...Only God knows da real birth date. I could tell dis much though, i wasn't certainly born on Jan first. I was born on the Goga of 79 or were we still in abaartii dhaba dheer....LoL....Eithier way it wasn't Jan first.

If the guy is guilty ,he should be fried, period. If he is not guilty, he guy should have known better, It is easy for any woman in America to cry rape when relationships go sore. Women are always given the benefit of the doubt. A man's word alone is no good in such circumstances. Always know what you are getting into. Or even better follow your religion, and you won't face dilemmas.

Iam just wondering how is this any revelent to us ( Somalis). I do realise we are dark-skinned,but I don't see da connection unless somali women see themselves as being Afro-Americans, and are offended by seeing Somali men or any black men running off with white honeys. The article talks about particular situation experienced by a particular group. Yes we are black, but I don't see how Somalis can relate to this article considering we haven't lived through these experiences. As for the article itself, the woman obviously has deep-rooted racism, and that comes out in her writing. She associates her skin color with superiority. She is a racist.I just don't see how she could like black man, and hate his sister. You either like something or you don't. As for the guy's response, it is typical response you would get from racist blacks. It starts with references to the past black empires like Cush,Egypt, etc. It continues on how blacks taught the whites everything, and ends up with blacks being turned into some gods or goddes. N ofcourse, they always have to mention white women being easy. Bottom line....A couple of insecure racists trying to find some self-esteem by badmouthing others. Race/skin color doesn't determine how one turns out. N i agree with black royalty. Black women have survived through slavery, segregation, and poverty. They were abodoned by their men, and they still pull it together. It is their strength and character that help them survive through hardships.Black women are da very fabric of African Americans. Without them , blacks would have been history. But lets not forget, each human being is unique,and has his own strenghts and weaknesses. Race determines nothing when it comes to one's character. It doesn't make elegant, wise, or rich. Only you can make yourself elegant, wise, or what have you. Race is just social stratification that we are born into.

Hagi.....Ethoipia is simply taking advantage of the ********* of the so called leaders, and they understood somali leaders are indiffirent to the needs of Somali. If ethoipia was in our situation we probably would have done da same. They will continue supplying arms to the warlords. Southerners must realise that we are nearing really critical stage, and something must be done to restore somali statehood. No conference held outside Somali proper is going to bring any solutions. In any venue outside Somalia, there will always a third party pushing for their interests first, and the issues facing the Somalis will be second. N Any goverment formed must institute social changes. Past wrongs must corrected. Only attainment of peace won't solve our deep divisions and problems. Of coarse, Mogadisho must be secured for any goverment to function at all. As for our relationships with other somalis, we should stop making claims to lands we don't actually inhabit. The south has enough natural resources, agricultural lands, a long coast line, and the bulk of the somali population. We need nobody. We should welcome who those sincerely believe in da unity of all Somali people, and Say Adios to those that don't believe in Somalinimo. Obviously, we should help those Somalis under imperial rules. If they ever gain independence. They should given the choice to go their own separate way. VIVA SOMALIA Later Nomads

Miz-Unique....Well, we are reaching a critical stage. I guess we will have to be less stuborn if we want to survive as nation. I think education is key here. If not that won't work. Necessity will teach Somalis to better our sorry state. Wat we need is grassroot movement that we will bring about social change,and hopefully change da somali mentality. Magnooni-Gal...LoooL...we can try to locate him or find his number...Lol late nomads