muslims in general are prone to violence Thats racist!!! All major conflicts of the last five hundred years was instigated by the Christain European Countries. Some of these conflicts were specifically carried out in the name of Christianity starting with Spanish conquest of the new world to the holocoust. N you say we are prone to violence.

the future is bleak N why is dat bro. Walaal, we should move from all useless ranting to actually do something. The warlords deserve a praise for there are men who will do anything to get what they want. The masses whether Here or in Somalia just complain. Saaxib....My guess is that you just want things handed to you. You gotta work for it.

Xarago.....Give General Duke a break....Blind loyalty whether to Qabiil or country is in all Maryooley....It is just dat some of us are more devoted than others. Duke....I wish all da best for Somalia. I just don't think Yeey could deliver anything.

we know the problems, what do you think are the solutions, and what are you doing to better Somalia?

Originally posted by Kashanre: "alxamdu shukran anagu waxaan ka mahad celinaynaa waxaas moryaantaahoo meesha yimid yagoo dhibaata na gaarsiin inay na dhaafeen" Classic.loooooooooooool Seems like Xarago is enjoying this news a bit too much. Duke......You gotta admit your adeer has failed meserable even though this Dheere character is moron to say least. Least see how long Yeey can hang out in Bay.

Arguments with no real resolutions have no merit. I think we maryooley never seek any outcomes in our discussions, just useless endless yapping. This topic is proof of dat.People put time to some good use.

Ahura...Do get together and think how you might help our sistas back home. Could be good initiative, a rewarding one I might add.

This is good initiative. Lets also think of tomorow and how we will with never-ending droughts and conflicts. Off topic.....Is anybody familiar with micro-finance, and how succesful can micro-finance be in lifting the masses out of poverty. Here is link to micro-finance org web page

Originally posted by Baashi: They are angry, bitter, and have negative picture of themselves. They hate each other with passion, and are willing to betray their brethren. We do have very negative image of everything Somali. I believe this might be necessary transition for Somalis to go through. What will defines us is not our current sad state, but how we deal with it. With choas comes oppurtunity to change for the better or worse. Hopefully our people will roll up their sleeves, get to work, and strive for a better Somali nation.

All Somalis just blow hot Air and attach too much importance to what foriegners say or do.....Too many promises , but little substance......A decade or so later, Sland is still becoming independent and Somali proper has yet to stand on its own feet, and here we have fadhi Ku dirir nation being at it again. Same old stories, same old fights, but little change...Success of our nation as state whether united or divided depends on the success of all Somalis. The sooner we realise...the better of we will be.

Geeze Castro...They have subjugated to the point of asking the benefits of keeping your tongue alive....lol Hate to say it saaxib... but You sound like defeatist!!!! Maybe you should be asking what it took to make the English language the primary means of communication in the world ,and how can the Somali language achieve the same prominence. I know it sounds crazy but try.......lol

^^^^^^Somalis along with the Oromo, Afars, and other eastern cushites as well as northern cushites are distinct people. The legends of Arab men populate our lands ain't true. We did however mix with Arabs and fellow Africans, but not the point where they have changed our entire physical look, our culture maybe. Any immigrant to the horn couldn't possibly have that much impact. Anyway, the entire human race is mixed anyway,unless you are Han chinese.

A bicycle courier in Colombia has been given a four-year jail sentence for grabbing a woman pedestrian's bottom, a TV station has reported. A judge's ruling - criticised by some as being too harsh - ruled the courier had committed an abusive sexual act. Diana Marcela Diaz told RCN that the courier had cycled off after groping her, but had been caught by passers-by. When he was arrested, she was given the option of slapping him, letting him go, or filing a complaint. She had chosen to set a precedent that would stop sexist behaviour, she said. RCN described the sentence as historic, but some lawyers condemned it as excessive. A female member of the national ombudsman's office said the courier had only acted out of lust. "He didn't use violence or commit a sexual act," she was quoted as saying. Source: BBC.COM Ok nomads, did punishment fit the crime?

Congrats!

People....Soomaali Wadaad Malaha....Been Maa La Isku Sheegaa...Everybody answers to some Qabiil..These are trigger happy fools willing to slaughther the innocent in the name of what exactly? :mad: :mad: This is what happens when a city is swarmed by a people who don't understand and appreciate its history and are just too ill-equiped to run a city like Xamar.

An unprecedented rise in divorce among Japanese couples married more than 20 years is being blamed on a phenomenon known as "retired husband syndrome". Marriage guidance counsellors are warning newly retired couples not to spend extended amounts of time together - recommending day trips over cruises. Many of Japan's workers or "salarymen" spend decades living largely apart from their families, devoted to their jobs. With time on their hands, couples are finding they barely know each other. The divorce rate in Japan has risen 26.5% in 10 years, according to the health ministry. The number of divorces among couples married 20 years or more hit 42,000 in 2004, double those recorded in 1985. When a man retires at 65 the wife may be thinking 'I still have 20 or 30 more years with this person' Divorces among those married more than 30 years quadrupled during the same period. The BBC's Jonathan Head in Tokyo says many wives increasingly resent how little their husbands contribute to home life and are seeking divorce when, after retirement, the men show no sign of changing their habits. Japanese people also tend to live longer, so when a man retires at 65 the wife may be thinking "I still have 20 or 30 more years with this person", our correspondent says. 'On the rocks' More people will retire in Japan in the next five years than at any other time as the post-WWll "baby boomers" reach retirement age. Experts say that celebratory cruises or long holidays are having a devastating affect on many marriages. Couples who have been married for 30 or 40 years are discovering that they barely know each other, and what they do find out is not that attractive. The author of self-help books "Why Are Retired Husbands Such a Nuisance?" said it is dangerous for couple to go on overseas trips after the husband retires. "Disagreements between the spouses often deepen when they spend a lot of time together in a foreign setting. "Husbands pay the price for placing more importance on their jobs than their wives," author Sayoko Nishida said. Source: BBC.COM

Here are some other cultures dealing with relationship and divorce rates. well-received Zimbabwean play has challenged how a woman should react in situations of adultery. Mia can rely on her hot water bottle Despite a widely-held view in the country that wives should accept that their husbands will stray, expectations are beginning to change. Hot Water Bottle is a one-woman performance featuring Tinopona Katsande, a television soap opera star with a raunchy image. Twenty shows were held over two weeks at Harare's Theatre In The Park, and the content drew strong reactions from those who watched. The play is set a bedroom, with Mia in her nightdress. After falling asleep she receives a call from a workmate who has seen her husband, Douglas, out with another woman. As confirmation, she finds condoms in the pockets of her husband's jacket. Choice Then come hours of anguish and soul-searching while waiting for him to return, and at times she wonders whether it is all her fault. I have been the loyal and respectful wife - not any more Mia "For what, Douglas, why, why? Forgive me Lord, if it was me that did wrong to my husband, forgive me." But she decides that she is better off with a hot water bottle as her companion and that she will confront Douglas on his return. He eventually comes back in the early hours of the morning, and Mia vents her anger. "Go and bath Douglas, how dare you come home reeking of another woman, into my bed, get up, go and wash." Reaction One woman who watched the performance quipped: "After watching this I think I'll postpone marriage for another 10 years, or maybe cross over and be a lesbian." "I'm sure a woman wouldn't cheat on me as much as that!" HOT WATER BOTTLE BENEFITS Faithful Guaranteed hot time in bed Easy to keep happy Doesn't answer back Cheap to replace No risk of disease "Because of the anguish and stigma of divorce, a lot of women put up with unfaithful husbands just to keep up appearances, although there's nothing left in the marriage." The play left many men feeling uncomfortable. "If I was in the same game as Douglas, I'd definitely change, and I'd like to bring some of my friends along so that they can learn something," said one young man. But another woman expressed a more traditional view. "It's good to let the husband feel that he's head of the house, to allow him back and to ask for forgiveness," she said. The shadow of HIV and Aids hangs over the play, but as in Zimbabwe, which has one of the highest rates of HIV infection on the continent, it is referred to obliquely. A culture of multiple partners is considered to be a significant factor in the spread of the virus and at one point in the play Mia sobs: "Don't let our child become an orphan". Later he demands some gratitude for having used condoms with the other woman. Influences Hot Water Bottle is the stage debut of 27-year-old Katsande. She spent 10 years in the US, and her exposure to American culture is one of the reasons why she questions the way that many Zimbabwean women tolerate unfaithfulness. The play challenges traditional male attitudes in Zimbabwe "Mia is the Zimbabwean woman coming up now, she's gone to a good school, and she's travelled," said Katsande. "She now has a dilemma trying to deal with what society and culture is saying and what she knows and believes in. "I went to university in California, and coming back here I know that I won't stand for this, although everything else in society says that this is the way it is. "I love being here, but I can't live like this. It's not right and we have to let men know that if they cheat they'll be replaced by the hot water bottle." Polygamy is still widely practised throughout Zimbabwe, and there is a recent urban phenomenon of "small houses", where a married man will rent out a flat for his young girlfriend. The play was written by a man, Noel Marerwa, and Katsande found that the script was easy to relate to, even though she is not married. "My sister-in-law commented how ironic it is that a young, single woman with no children can show what's happening to married women," she said. "Mia got into marriage believing that it was one-man, one-woman, so you can't say that Douglas has a right to cheat. "Isn't marriage and relationships about what the two of you make it?" Source. BCC.COM

Originally posted by Ahura: Rehab? Wot's that? Shehehe: Anything between 1/4 - 2ltrs a day, depending on how needy I felt. An excuse to take break from everything. And I thought I was bij to caffeine LooooooooL...You are not alone. It has been one thing to another since arriving these shores...I remember getting hooked on Dr Pepper when I first came to the states,

Jacaylbaro....That seems to work actually. I guess my mistake was cutting it off altogether. Ahura....We can go to rehab center together...lol That's serious addiction. You are though these things does effect your mood.

Originally posted by Yahoo_UK: .. how this topic go from TB to nationalites via 1/4 Chinese .. That proves that we are 100% Somali.

Originally posted by Castro: I wonder how much overlap there is between the 40% of children living in poverty and the one where they're born out of wedlock. I'm not implying the latter causes the former but I'm sure there's some causal relationship between the two. It's such a complex situation that no one thing is the culprit. There is definate correlation between the two. Ahura....why be lonely :confused:

Dear Kat...Buddies then. As for castro...He is out of action and missing the fun. Thats all

Originally posted by Katrina: quote: your right someone always gets hurt in a relationship, regardless of the culture, but after several decades of marriage to women who where taught, by their mothers and grandmothers (wrongly might I add), to be obedient yet confident, meek yet strong, and the list goes on. To be kicked out with no due notice and for no legitiment reason other than the husband and father has an itch he needs to scratch with a chicklin is repulsive to me and sub-human. I mean must they find out by hearing it thru the grapevine or going to the motherland only to find the maid is now the woman of her house. Your right other cultures have the same problems as ours (W/focus on slight different issues) either way one's taking a chance somali or non-somali I agree with yu there. Laakin waxii dhacay waa dhaceen....n there is little we could do about that. We could however influence the future through our own dealings with each other. We know what's wrong. So lets fix it. Each one of us can be a force for change. N we could this by demanding our dues....Expect no less and at the same time, give no less. Somalis internalize things. I don't think anyone shouldn't hold their tongue hadii lagu kur tumanaayo. Somali women have paid their dues, and it is time they demand their righful place. N your are right. We are taking chances whether it is Somali or non-Somali. I guess the questiom is who you wanna take the chance with. Is it Jamac or John. If it is John and you fancy him..That's perfectly fine, Just beware Isba Bili Aadan uu yahay.. n still put your best foot forward by projecting everything that's all good in you as person, your family and culture. Let John know that you are person with a history and proud heritage. If you however fancy Jamac, let him know your expectations and consider his. If it works well. Do raise family where the boys gabdha ladhasahy ixtiraa maan and you could saving a couple of future Somali mothers and wives a lot headaches. if anything else you might be the solution. Are you :confused: . loool Well, I've been watching you and I like the way you think. I like the way you approach things as well, and I hope that I could be it for my significant other. If I wanna find a good person, Iam of the belief I should be one first. So Kat, everything starts with da self. How about you and I add our cards together and try and make a difference? Anywayz, I'm fighting for my rights (as you mentioned)and think your an ideal candidant based on your view. Me think your ripe for the picking, unless another halimo or Betty has beat me to the punchline. :mad: So what say you? Are you willing to whip some nomad boys into shape? [/QB]Iam touched and it is honor walaalshiis, but I have beautiful Xalimo dats rocking my world. Hopefuly She and I would be whipping some nomads into shape.Betty didn't get my moryooley jokes and refused to retire me in Kismayo. Wanted me to move down to Florida where old folks are ...so we split. Nice gal though. *Food for thought* wait at least 30 yrs to kick me to the curb. In thirty years, Kat would be in her prime, very beautiful and intectually vigirious, confident and very comfortable under skin, and if I might add years of experience under belt . Why would wanna anyone in their right mind wanna kick her to the curb. Iam telling you Odayaasha Somalida don't know what they are missing. I will still be kicking with my baby and so will Kat Inshallah. Besides, I can't see myself anoo la lagdamaaya gabar gabar aan dhalay leeg. Islaanteeda lagdintiida taqaan. I will be kicking with her Castro...Rabshada jooji Yaan Havanna Kuugu Imaan

Originally posted by Kashanre: Duke- The most incredulous aspect of the whole situation is that the people involved are (as one news site put it) ilmo abti iyo ilmo eedo, wiil iyo abtigi, ilmo habreed, wiil iyo seedigi. It is truly sad. Runtaa Waaye.....Sad indeed. n da way it looks no is interested in stepping to calm to situation.

Originally posted by Katrina: When I see somali mothers and wives of 30-40yrs being kicked (literally) to the curbs for no other reason other than to bring in a younger model. I ask where is the loyalty ? What's love got to do, got to do with it? It is a relationship....People bound to get hurt. That rings true in all cultures. Even in the so called civilised west, women still got the short end of the stick. We could change the culture that promotes these Somali ills, and change the dynamics of our relationships or look for answers in other cultures just to find same abusive relationships. Somali women should fight their righful place and they could start by raising their boys not as spoiled little brats, but as equals to their sisters. We should stop "War Jikada Ka bax" mentality. Lily----Dats true....There is nothing without love and respect