Are Naxar & Che saying this is not news or is it the fact that Ayoub posted it what's getting their knickers in a twist? The Imam never ceases to amaze. Make hay while the sun shines, says I.

Abtigiis;753225 wrote: Ngonge, enough of what you said is said about Gaddafi and his 42 years rule. I was merely trying to present few disturbing issues that occured in the last couple of days. We haven't seen Gaddafi's men kicking dead bodies when they were ransacking Misrata (I am sure they did though), and therefore we get upset about what we see not what we imagine. The moral decay in Libya is evident to all and I am sure Gaddafi's men might have done the same or have done the same to be more accurate. We condemn that too, but for now, it is the NTC who have allowed their victory to be sullied by their mistreatment of the dead. It is how you treat the vanquished that defines your victory and the NTC lost it. You cannot defend this blatant savagery by catalouging the vices of Gaddafi. We are not living in the age of an eye for an eye doctrine. The scales of justice that you are using are very faulty, saaxib. You get riled by images and incidental actions rather than the actual problems. What is it that you are protesting about now? That a dictator was killed or the manner of his death? In the time of the Mamalik of Egypt, Shajarat Al Dur (Tree of precious stones) who was the queen at the time was pummelled to death with shoes. During the same period, Qutuz, the new Sultan, beheaded the messengers of the Mongols and hung their severed heads in the squares of Cairo. Further forward in history, Mussolini had a similar end to that of your beloved Qaddafi. In fact, some would argue it was a worse death for he was shot, his body taken to Milan to be thrown in a public square where people would kick it and spit on it. Finally, it was hung upside down for everyone to stone from below! The stories depicting the ends of tyrants are plenty and they are all testaments to how suppressed rage can manifest itself once it’s allowed out in the open. When Brutus stabbed Caesar and shouted Sic semper tyrannis (thus always to tyrants), he was witty enough to at least coin a phrase for an occasion that will repeat itself for as long as humans live. The Libyans on the other hand could only shout “die dog, die”. But yours is not about the death of tyrants, yours (as your title suggests) is about lessons to be learnt from such a death. Well, the lesson is for you saaxib. It is one that tells you to (for this once) ignore the devil in the detail and look at the big picture instead. Libya has got rid of a tyrant (a proven and evil one at that) and a bad man has met his end. The lesson, if it were lessons that you are looking for here is that whatever goes up must eventually come down. It’s that evil never prospers. It’s that justice always prevails, etc..etc..etc.. p.s. When Ali Abdullah Salax was blown up while praying in a mosque, do you know why you didn’t protest too much about the manner of that cowardly attack? No, it’s not because of politics warya. It’s because you didn’t see a video clip of the bombing.

Brilliant! One video clip of one man being mistreated and killed cancels out 42 years of oppression and dictatorship. A&T (and those agreeing with him) are as volatile as an alasation outside its own house. Still, though I found the clips tasteless, I wasn't that moved by them. You see, I'm SOMALI and unlike spoilt western kid who is not used to such things, I have seen my own people dragging dead bodies in the streets, digging out the long dead from their graves and causing great famines. Therefore, though it was vulgar and not the done thing, I can still see beyond the (oh so) horrid pictures and know that the death of this latest dictator, though might serve some western interests was also a timely and (some might say fitting) wished for end for all those Liybians that began the protests on the 17th of Feb and carried them through right to the end. And, again, unlike my tempremental friend here, I still don't place my faith on the man that's taken over just because he "has a kind face". Get a grip boys & girls, you are SOMALI. p.s. Brother president Ali Abdullah Saalix is next and I don't expect the King of Bahrin to get away with it for long either.

Somalia;752915 wrote: Is this a joke? Those are his weapons? :D:D His alone. Wait untill you see what his boys were carrying! p.s. How many times has this man surrendered his weapons anyway? And what's with the uniform?

Abtigiis;752976 wrote: Himself from Baligubadle, a tiny dusty village populated by short, dark-skinned people who allegedly sit in the lower fringes of Somaliland’s infamous clan hierarchy, Godane’s spite and bitterness is excusable. Provided he takes it out on those who regarded his kins as the chattel of the main beneficiaries of the enclave’s counterfeit statehood politics. He could have done this by marrying their women in four-somes, divorcing them and re-marrying another quartet every moon. Provided he pillages Gabiley and Burco, the sources of his ailment. It becomes unacceptable when he cuts limbs and loins of Somalis in the South who haven’t contributed to the development of his misanthropy in any shape or form. How can God bless Somaliland when it has sired the Foday Sankoh of Somalia - Ahmed Godane? I ask Xaji Xundjuf! Think about it now. Adaa ba kubbada salaxaya!

Not sure what JB is excited about! The author still wants SL to be part of some sort of "loose" Somali union. GT got it wrong too. War this articale is right up the Imam's street.

لكل شي اذا ما تم نقصان فلا يغر بطيب العيش انسان هي الامور كما شاهدتها دول من سره زمنن سائته ازمان وهذه الدار لا تبقي على احد ولا يدوم على حال لها شان يمزق الدهر حتما كل سابغة اذا نبت مشرفيات وخرصان وينتضي كل سيف للفناء ولو كان ابن ذي يزن والغمد غمدان اين الملوك ذوو التيجان من يمنن واين منهم اكاليل وتيجان واين ماشاده شداد في ارم واين ماساسه في الفرس ساسان واين ما حازه قارون من ذهب واين عاد وشداد وقحطان اتى على الكل امر لا مرد له حتى قضو ا فكان القوم ما كانو وصار ما كان من ملك ومن ملك كما حكى لخيال الطيف وسنان دار الزمان على دارا وقاتله وام كسري فما اواه ايوان كانما الصعب لم يسهل له سبب يوما ولا ملك الدنيا سليمان فجائع الدهر انواع منوعة وللزمان مسرات واحزان وللحوادث سلوانن يسهلها وما لما حل بالاسلام سلوان دهى الجزيرة امر لا عزاء له هوى له احدن وانهد ثهلان اصابها العين في الاسلام فارتزات حتى خلت منه اقطار وبلدان فاسال بلنسية ماشان مرسيه واين شاطبة ام اين جيان واين قرطبة دار العلوم فكم من عالم قدسما فيها له شان واين حمص وما تحويه من نزه ونهرها العذب فياض وملان قواعد كن اركان البلاد فما عسى البقاء ان لم تبقى اركان تبكي الحنيفية البيضاء من اسف كما بكى لفراق الالف هيمان على ديار من الاسلام خالية قد اقفرت ولها بالكفر عمران حيث المساجد قد صارت كنائس ما فيهن الا نواقيس وصلبان حتى المحاريب يبكي وهي جامدة حتى المنابلر يرثي وهي عيدان يا غافلا وله في الدهر موعضة ان كنت في سنة فالدهر يقضان وماشيا مرحا يلهيه موطنه ابعد حمص تغر المرء اوطان تلك المصيبة انست ما تقدمها وما لها مع طول الدهر نسيان يا راكبين عتاق الخيل ضامرة كانها في مجال السبق عقبان وحاملين سيوف الهند مرهفة كانها في ظلام النقع نيران وراتعين وراء البحر في دعة لهم باوطانهم عز وسلطان اعندكم نبا من اهل اندلس فقد سرى في حديث القوم ركبان كم يستغيث بنا المستضعفون وهم قتلى واسرى فما يهتز انسان ماذا التقاطع في الاسلام بينكم وانتم يا عباد الله اخوان الا نفوس ابيات لها همم اما على الخير انصار واعوان يا من لذلة قوم بعد عزهم احال حالهم كفر وطغيان بالامس كانوا ملوكا منازلهم واليوم هم في بلاد الكفر عبدان فلو تراهم حيارى لا دليل لهم عليهم من ثياب الذل الوان ولو رايت بكاهم عند بيعهم لهالك الامر واستوتك احزان يارب ام وطفل حيل بينهما كما تفرق ارواح وابدان وطفلة مثل حسن الشمس اذ طلعت كانما هي ياقوت ومرجان يقودها العلج للمكروه مكرهة والعين باكية والقلب حيران لمثل هذا يذوب القلب من كمد ان كان في القلب اسلام وايمان

I feel very sleepy. I think I'm going to take the afternoon off, again. Have fun all.

^^ I am not. Juxa is. If I were a xaasid, Malika, I would have told the truth and pointed out the obvious alarm-bell setting points I found in the original article. It sounds like she's married to a good guy but she's a woman, and as we all know; women are mad. Can you see the worrying points in her piece?

^^ She's on a high, you witch. Don't put doubts in her mind with the "I hope husband takes cares of you, and keeps appreciating you" stuff.

^^ Kenya's invasion does not sound like a long term one. No idea why you're making a big story out of it. A&T, Indeed. The Caravan man knows his Somali stuff. pssst.. Did you hear the one about the guy who volunteered to make the tea? Marko la yimid, waxa lago yedhi "Si fiican baad o karisay, lakin sonkortaad ku yara badisay". Markaasu ku jawaabay "iska caba, wa kaad waligiin ii shubi jirteen".

^^ Hada ma Shariif ayaa kiisa qoray? Few leaders write their own stuff these days. Xiin, you need a new crash course in political propaganda, saaxib. Kii barigee hore lago baray waa "out of date".

Heh. OO arintu ma Kismaayay aheed? My bad. Waxan is lahaa Kenya uun ayuu odaygo diidsanyahay. Ileen xaafadahaaga la ag marayaay. Hadaba iga raali aho, adeer. Waxay aheed in aan "map" eego intaanan hadlin (and forget the sincere argument now).

xiinfaniin;752586 wrote: This shows the level of desperation from the secessionist camp. When rejected in the relevant regional assemblies, separatist supporters resorted to incoherent, meaningless opinion papers to persuade the world . The name of the game is political stability and legal precedent. Overcome that ya guxuush Like Sheikh Sharif did with the UK's Times & Guardian? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/07/somalia-failed-state-al-qaida

^^ I mock him and you patronise him. Luckily for you, he's able to piroritise his battles and is turning a blind eye to your patronising. Lakin A&T naga daa, saaxib. He usually can speak for himself. Adiga taada la kaalay and tell me how would you place the Kenyan offensive (in rank order) when compared to the threat of Al Shabab, the joke that is TFG and all the other Somali problems? (this, fortunatly, is a topic far off from any clan bias, which may enable you to come up with an actual sincere argument). Bal soo daa waxaad maskaxda ku walaaqday, adeer.

Has she started the new job already? God! Faheema must really love us. (Now how can I engineer things so that my brother happens to be lost outside her workplace just as she walks out of the building on her way home and without her or him knowing that it was all planned?). Hmmm!

Femme has finally become a drama queen. Brings a tear to me eyes to see the young ones develop at such a rate. Ah, where did the years go?

Juxa;752531 wrote: lol if SL can accept you and allow you in ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well what can i say? Dont worry tho, i am not seeking employment or residence, it is brief visit to see my twin Funny you should say that! Isn't a bit of a coincidence that he left the country at exactly the same time those supposed "illegals" were kicked out and now that the dust has setteled he's back in?

Abtigiis;752541 wrote: :D Malika, as an aside, we, the true sons of Somalia, do not trust any Swahili-speaking person at this critical time. We believe all are fifth columnists. Malika, Faarax-Brawn, Stoic,even Maaddeey. I'm not an expert on Swahili speakers but I was told that they're not all the same, saaxib. For example, a Nairobi-born Stoic looks down on the rabble from Garissa and hardly ever has time for the bush people from Tanzania. If you happen to be a Swahili speaker from Uganda your name does not even register. Therefore, I believe the only fifth columinist here is Stoic (for being a member of the elite). So maaha Malika?

^^ No, no. You are making perfect sense. When it comes to "pride" (or principle) one must only pay it lip service but still remain pragmatic (unless, of course, the expidency coincides with pride). Bal dadkan kale yaa o sheega.

^^ Hello Mr Run-away. What happened to our "date"? I'm now tempted to come all the way to H town to make you fulfill your promise.

Heh@Ibti needs some baruur. Ibti herself ayaa noqotay waslad hilib miyaa? Morning all.

^^ Like the insured man who caught a theif burgling his house said "I strongly disagree with what you're doing, laakin iska wado" You too are accepting that the Kenyan incursion will help in weakning (or even defeating) Al Shabab and at the same time rejecting this same Kenyan invasion as a matter of principle. This is the proper politics that kept Mubarak, Qadaafi et al in power for decades, saaxib (reject, strongly oppose and condemn but let things happen anyway).

^^ Saw that yesterday. Turns out that, in China, if you help someone you run the risk of being sued (for money you don't have). No wonder people don't care.

STOIC;752306 wrote: So no mouth watering tender and juicy chicken in Somaliland?...This will be a good business deal to open a poultry farm in the outskirt of Hargeysa and my ad will be I didn't invent the chicken just the Sandwich..too bad my kinfolks are Known for loving the Hiiliib too much..stereotype that we are still battling......haha...they will have a ball with my business venture...... There is chicken in Somaliland. I saw one crossing the road, WITH MY OWN EYES. Jb was there. Ibti & Norf can only see goats dee.