Abtigiis;753856 wrote: False comparisons and illegal analogy sums up my reaction to the horseman and the Ghanian. How can you talk about the era of warlordism without talking about the changes in the circumstance and context and without Xinn's favoured Mahiga roadmap? Wasn't Xinn who was saying the UN is this time serious about bringing Somalia back? If so, why talk of warlordism which died long time ago? Why draw a parrallel between Gandhi and warlords? Why not compare Gandhi to Farole? What makes Faroole better than Alshabab and Gandhi worse than Godane? What makes one clans adminstration righteous and the other vicious? I don't support PL, SL and Azania. You suport PL, you oppose Azania and Galmudug. What is that? And why are the foreigners become problem when they are in other lands, and not in Puntland where they have offices (security) in clear contravention of Somalia's soverignity? Dear Xinn, this conversation is not without value. For many years, we followed your caravan, we get confused on its direction and destination. With the Azania factor, we finally solved the obstinate equation, the enigma and the mystery. Your caravan's starting point could be anywhere, but its final destination is KISMAAYO. And we will be able to predict its direction in the future whenever we see it without much difiiculty. If Kenya goes back to the AU and gets granted permission to refer to its invasion as an extension of AMISOM (which is not a farfetched notion if you ask me) do you think Xiin is going to do a U turn and accept Kenya mise AMISOM ayuu habaari doona?

Khayr;753853 wrote: and changing the colors of each "islamic political party" in the arab spring revolutionized nations is what is being pushed for by the dominant powers that be. Why else would Cameron, Obama and their French counterpart have meetings with the leaders of these movements and work tiredlessly to get them to meet their concessions. On a more insidious note, the push for voting on the changing and creation of constitutions firs, before party elections is more of a threat to the muslims because it is set to undermine, to undermine and to undermine more - the shariah and the influence of shariah in these muslim countries. How so? Simply put, by having all selected or elected parties come under the banner of constitutionalism and not the shariah. So that when something like free expression comes up for the young bloggers, a potential ruling islamic party can not curtail that aspect of the consitution (the right to freedom of expression) by citing any part of the quran, hadiths and islamic rulings. By default, the Shariah will become Null and Void - which is the ultimate aim of the shayateen. True, Khayr. But that's good news, saaxib. It means that angry people like you can not go crazy with their mad interpertation of the Shariah. But don't dispair, saaxib. In time, calmer heads will prevail and the shariah (though not the kind you beleive in today) will be implemented. p.s. Xiin, with every "Islamic" party that comes out of the ashes of dictatorships one has no choice but to be cynical, saaxib. Been there and seen it all before.

xiinfaniin;753588 wrote: Duke is right the model for Tunisia is Turkiyaa. I am sure very few will argue that Turkiya's political experiment has been bad for the Turks. The Turkish experiment took decades to perfect. Erdogan and his lot had to change names and colours for so long before they became acceptable to the Turkish army and world powers. The older incarnations of Erdogan's party would not have dreamt of doing half the things (and concessions) they're doing now. Tunis on the other hand is starting with a blank page. A blank page (and overwhelming victory) gives you the opportunity to do whatever you like. As we know with Islamic parties in recent history, such carte blanch control is usually bad bad news.

^^ Ismarji? Bal car Norf ha fahmo what it means.

Oi, new people! On whose shoes has this insect hitched a ride to the site?

Norf, you asked me about it a week early dee. I actually went about asking people last Friday only to be told that it has not started yet. All the weeks seem the same to me anyway. Juxa, ii waran abaayo. I hear you have spare tickets walaal. Lets leave that for now, horta adiga sixadaada ka waran. All good I trust. p.s. If Ibti comes back to London before the end of the year waan dilayaa (yes, real and actual beating). Hada o sheega.

Azania seems to be the spanner in the works. It is the infamous cat amongst the pigeons and it is the one that confused everyone from Sheikh Sharif all the way to our tempremental A&T. If there were no Azania, this Kenyan invasion would have been simple and ALL would have supported it. But Azania is forcing people to be creative with their positions (the pride of A&T, the "Somalis should do it for themsevles" of Xiin and the "Sheikh Sharif wuxu yedhi" of Oba). Carabtu waxay tidhaahda: Fii shay!

I've been meaning to go to Somali Week but I thought it was NEXT week! Has it started already? Baah!

AYOUB;753491 wrote: Sh. Sharif's imaan went up a notch this week. Last week he could only oppose the Kikuyus by heart. This week the opposition is tongue in cheek. The hand must be next. What will he do, sack the PM?

^^ He's picked up a trick or two along the way but a politician he's never been. Ok, lets just call him a bad politician (for the pedants amongst us).

Xiin played the man, not the ball. And the man spent the rest of his time rolling on the floor and complaining. Lets get back to Sharif and the way he's evolving....

^^ Yet it took him a full week to declare his opposition? Did his PM oppose it too or was there an issue of crossed wires again?

^^ Heh. Wa marka NATO loo bahdo ninyo. Nagada ha na xasuusin.

nuune;753451 wrote: The Saudis, are the one's who will silence the opponents for him as they did not so long ago, we have seen the King wasn't able to crash the protestors, and the West dictated our Khaadim Al Haramain to act on Bahrain, so for the West case, supporting one dictator to protect their own interests, and opposing another dictator for the advancement of their own interests, Syria & Yemen are not on the table, they are therefore out of the discussion when it comes to West's interests, Yemen comes closer in maintaining Al-Qaeda in a closet(so they will have no option except to stay silence and Saleh to crash his opponents.) Bahasha barta nimanyahow, waa adiga Ngonge iyo AT&T, inaad sidan dhaantaan ayaan moodayey Well said Qandalaawi , Well the Saudi support didn't work. People are still protesting in that island and don't look like they'll ever give up. The excuses you give for Syria & Yemen are just that, EXCUSES. nuune, labada yada muran nagama daxeeyo markay arrinto liibya marayso. Adigo waxaad tahay "conspiracy lover" ana waxan ahay "dictator hater", marka isku mab'da ba ma nihin. Ninkaad geesi o argtid anigo waxan o arka diktator xun o bakhtiyaay. I don't usually give way to emotions but I would wish this to be the fate of every dictator and oppressor and would only condemn such killings for reasons of decency and akhlaq. Yet, now that the deed is done oo aye aa cunay, ka bood ban ku edhi bakhti buu iska ahaa.

Abtigiis;753413 wrote: useless populist and pretender this uninitiated Sheikh is! Which dowlad is he talking about? The one that is cowering behind Amisom in Mogdishu? Wa waxaan kuu sheegayay maalintii hore, badow yaho. The Sharif is disagreeing with the Kenyan action (on principle) lakin ha iska wataan. p.s. Juje, next peice of advice I give will cost you. Macalinka u sheeg.

^^ The game of ifs and buts is one that everyone can play, saaxib. Taa naga daa please. Like I said in the part you qouted, this was not Iraq and the West did not fly in to occupy a land (even though most Iraqis didn't like Saddam). This was the West responding AFTER the people of Benghazi have already began their revolution. NATO was merely a tool that aided the rebellion but it was not waht started it. For that, you need to go to the man who burnt himself last year. Look at Yemen. There is no NATO helping those that are protesting and there is no huge condemnation for Salax from the West (not a strong one at any rate) but the people keep coming out to the streets every day and keep protesting. In Mubarak's Egypt, Obama (and the West) kept their guns dry for a very long time and only sold him out after he failed to crush the protests. The king of Bahrin will meet a similar end, unless he finds a way to silence his opponents. On the other hand, Syria, a country that the West would love to topple, might still have Bashar in power if he manages to crush his opponents (just like Ahmdinejad managed to silence the protesting Iranians after the elections). To belittle the effort and determination of the fighters of Benghazi, Al Zaawiyah and Misrata is REALLY to be unfair to them and their struggle, saaxib. Wax fahan.

^^ Yes ten points but it's still early days. For now we are only aiming for United & Chelsea. City can wait. Normal service shall be resumed. Bahasha baro.

^^ Early days, saaxib. For example, apart from the Spurs game, we played really well in all our games and should have won most of them but we didn't. I'm sure that we will begin climbing up the table once our strikers start converting all the chances we keep on creating. Sunderland are just finding their feet and, I still maintain that they will end the season well. They have a team that should help them finish in the top ten (my guess is eighth). Don't count your chickens just yet, saaxib. p.s. United were a disastar waiting to happen but I also expect us to beat City when we play them at home.

^^ I know you don't dee. War anigu taa kama hadlayo, only "reaction-kaga" ayaan ka hadlaya. Caadifada badan is bad for you. p.s. Norf can't make his mind up either. His default position is to get moved by the images but because he already made up his mind (re Qaddafi) he's not sure what to do now. Hoos ayuu wax ka habaaraya.

^^ Heard that joke in Arabic years ago. The number was always 13 for some reason.

^^ Naah, nobody there looks up to him.

There is a dark cloud over SL today.

^^ Nor should it. It was a bad end. But your problem is with the images themsevles and not the action. Ha la ii sheego lakin yaan la i tusin baad leedahay, which is why I mentioned the Yemeni guy who got blown up in a MOSQUE! Sawirkiisa marki ba hadii lago tusi laha mabaad aamusin. Priorities ya saaxibi. We live in the time of "collateral damage", "extraordinary rendition" and the million other phrases that make countless events like Qaddafi's death more acceptable to you and your tempremental comrades but it is all the same and, in the great scheme of things, are nothing but simple footnotes to a bigger problem and struggle. Wax fahan.

Abtigiis;753373 wrote: NG, I think I pre-empted some of the stories you gave here (about the tree man and Ceasar) be saying we are not living in the ages of eye-for-an-eye doctrine! Things evolve and what was acceptable at one time becomes unacceptable at another time. Anyway, the lesson I spoke of is not about that justice prevails (which i strongly disagree with). It is not about what goes up will come down. it is actually that justice will only prevail in today's world when it has the West's blessing. That what goes up can only come down with the power of NATO. That the Tamils are a living example of how justice could actually be defeated. The moral of this article is that all dictators need not be concerned by the wrath of their people, they need to be worried about the wrath of Sarkozy, Obama, Cameron and all the big names of modern day imperialism. You mean the rebels of Benghazi were not real? Were they flown in by Nato planes or something? The West plays a part and you are stating the obvious here, saaxib. But the West can not (on its own) turn a people against its leader, not unless that leader is a dictator that spent decades oppressing said people. Look at Bahrin, the West & Arabs are all taking the side of the king but didn't stop the people from protesting and trying to overthrow the government? How about Yemen? Did the West want to get rid of Mubarak or Zain Al Caabidin to begin with? p.s. We do live in the age of an-eye-for-an-eye warya. Or else what was Osama, Al Shabab, Bush or Qaddafi? What do your ONLF fighters do to oil workers in the desert? War is yeel yeelka jooji dee (wrong it is but it takes place and exists).