^^ You won me over when you mentioned regionalism, saaxib. It's a viable and probable idea that I can't mock (as I normally do with the daydreams of nationalists). This one has legs. XX, Azania is a work in progress. The adminstration needs to be fully functional and in control of the areas it claims before it can be included in these musings.

^^ Islaamaha are ok, saaxib. Wa wada "ii waran eedo. Reerka ka waran.." and other sweet talk. It's the old men I was avoiding (just in case someone happend to be killed back home or a bloody well needed to be dug up). Wax fahan. Anyway, anigu warkaan maqlay ayaan kuu sheegayay uun. This was not as happy or wild as the last time he came. There are lots of unsatisfied faces around and I am sure his advisors told him of that already.

Xaaji Xunjuf;758081 wrote: Where is Ngonge now lol Once I found out that three quarters of odayada 'tolka' were going, I avoided the whole thing like the plauge. However, I did ask a couple of random old men I met outside the maqaaxi last night about the whole thing. Waxa la yedhi that the man who spoke before him ruined the whole thing and that Siilaanyo didn't say anything new. What was the news from your side, Xaaji?

^^ Good idea. But how many functioning regional adminstrations are there today? I can think of PL only. The others are all mostly on paper (and SL is not playing).

Abtigiis;758311 wrote: NG, there are only two types of women who accept polygamy (it is better to say who tolerate, or live with it). The uninformed and the unempowered. Any woman with a means to support herself or with education will not accept it. For a man of your sense and ability this is a HUGE mistake you made there, saaxib. Nobody in this whole world knows how women's brains work and I fully refuse any argument that breaks them down into two, three or four groups. Women are mad, saaxib. I am willing to wager that there are countless women that LOVE and encourage this process (regardless of knowledge or finanical means). Women are mad, saaxib. Mar uun wax iga maqal.

Cabdi handsome Clans and Thieves are killing Somalia Saceed Sigaar and fifty others like this Mustafa Maskax Yes, but what can we do about it other than moan? Cabdi handsome We must fight back. Fatima Versace I cry for Somalia Mustafa Maskax Crying is not enough Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi yaa fam dem wastemans are killing my country Cabdi handsome I hate Al Shabab too Mustafa Maskax Everybody hates Al Shabab Fatima Versace They will not allow me to wear my sexy leggings. Lol! Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi lol@Fatima..you get me, fam. Foad Four Glasses We have to create a youth movement that helps Somalia rise from the ashes Mustafa Maskax Yeah, like the Arab revolutions. Fatima Versace Do they have somewhere like Tahrir Square in Somalia? Nora Ibrahin Saced cabdullahi They have that place with the airplane, fam. Mustafa Maskax No. That’s a secessionist airplane Foad Four Glasses Trust me, people. We have to create a Somali Nationalist Movement. Cabdi handsome True. A Somali nationalist movement is the only way forward. Fatima Versace But what can a movement do? Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi We can do like the London riots, fam. Do you have a blackberry? Cabdi handsome It has to be more than burning shops and rioting in the streets though.. Foad Four Glasses In order for the movement to succeed we will have to eliminate clans and corrupt politicians Cabdi handsome How can we do that? The whole of Somalia is clans and corruption Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi not me, blud. Lol! Fatima Versace Not all Somalis are corrupt or clannish. Only the leaders are. Foad Four Glasses How about we assassinate all the corrupt and clannish leaders then? Cabdi handsome Yeah! If we kill them all the clans will be in disarray and we can convince them of our nationalist ideas. Fatima Versace Isn’t that what Al Shabab do? Foad Four Glasses Al Shabab kill EVERYBODY. We only want to assassinate the guilty leaders. Cabdi handsome Targeted assassinations is what we’re about Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi Yeah blud. Kill’em, kill’em all. Fatima Versace But who will do the killing? You Cabdi? Cabdi handsome Yes, why not? I’d do anything for Somalia. Foad Four Glasses Steady now, comrade Cabdi. You can’t kill all those leaders all on your own. We first need to build our movement and attract more followers. Fatima Versace True. Plus most those leaders are in Somalia and we are not. Foad Four Glasses I really don’t think we need to do any of the killing ourselves anyway. We can hire hitmen to do the jobs for us. Cabdi handsome How much do you reckon a thing like that would cost? Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi In my area, there is a guy who would kill people for you for as little as fifty pounds, fam. Want me to contact him? Lol! Fatima Versace No, we need a hitman that lives in Somalia, not West London. Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi lol..my bad, fam. Mustafa Maskax What did you say you will call your movement? Cabdi handsome The Somali National Movement Mustafa Maskax That’s a great name for a nationalist movement. You realise that it has already been taken, don’t you? Fatima Versace Everything gets taken these days. I swear to god, I saw this dress in the NEXT website and I was going to order it only to see my friend wearing it the next day. Nora Ibrahin Saceed Cabdullahi Why didn’t you shank her, fam? Lol Cabdi handsome Mustafa, what do you mean the name is taking? Foad Four Glasses Ignore him, mate. He’s always negative. Mustafa Maskax If you shorten the name Somali National Movement, what do you get? Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi S.N.M Fatima Versace hahaha Cabdi handsome iffing hell! Foad Four Glasses It doesn’t matter. We are more nationalist. Mustafa Maskax Better go riot by that secessionist airplane then Cabdi handsome Actually, that’s not a bad idea. We are nationalists and that airplane is the best place for us to riot. Mustafa Maskax I didn’t think of it that way. Fatima Versace What will be rioting about? Foad Four Glasses Secession, I think. Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi What is secession, fam? Cabdi handsome Breaking away from Somalia, Nora. Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi Who is? I thought we were nationalists. Mustafa Maskax Anyone watch X Factor last night? They really need Simon back. Fatima Versace yeah. Cabdi handsome I prefer Strictly Come Dancing Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi Eeew fam dat’s for old fogies. Mustafa Maskax SNM, huh? Lol Cabdi handsome Yeah. Silly idea! Lol Fatima Versace lol Nora Ibrahin Saceed cabdullahi What are we all laughing about, fam? lol

^^ Can't really compare the two, saaxib. With polygamy there is at least a certain level of consent between all parties. Adultery is just cheating. Cheating is not nice warya.

^^ Baah, lightweight. You let Juxa bully you into saying salaam when the correct Somali reply would have been "salaantu ma khasab baa?"

^^ They say it's good for your hair and gets rid of lots of skin complaints. But, of course, there is also the argument that urine can be used to disinfect wounds! Abti;757824 wrote: Soomaali farabadan baa cabaan, we have our fair share of silly superstitions too Obviously you didn't hear of the hadeeth where the prophet instructs a group of bedwins to drink camel milk & urine! (true hadeeth by the way).

Carafaat;758233 wrote: Al shabaab can be only be beaton by presenting an attractive workable alternative and 4.5 is not really attractive for most Somali who feel 4.5 is not a just system. But copying the good thinks of Al Shabaab (diversity, justice, no clan dominations,equality for all) could be attractive for many. You can't make the assumption that most Somalis feel the 4.5 is not a just system and try to pass it off as a fact, saaxib. The only fact about Somalis is that they are clannish. Therefore a better assumption to make is to actually argue that most of them are in full agreement with the 4.5 system. Still, a system that could rival Al Shabab's has to be one that unites everyone, adeer. What do you suggest? Islam again! But that particular avenue has already been used and abused by the Courts & Al Shabab. One must come with a new thing and, at any rate, this in itself is a totally new discussion that has nothing to do with the correctness of the 4.5 system. It is what it is, saaxib.

Lakin odaygo ilko yara. Hada waa gaws dhan! Morning all.

Because some of you kids will use them as rocks to stone each other with. Plus, no clan names forces us to be more creative and, as a result, more interesting. p.s. The lady above me is from the famous Dar al Salaam tribe, reer wii wii nee nee.

Carafaat;757661 wrote: The last time clan wars took place in Somalia, was during the Jubba/Kismaayo wars back in the '97 in the Jubba's. Since then the Somali conflict has been dominated by groups with diffrent political agenda's with little support from the own clan. For example it was the TNG vs some warlords from the same clan as TFG President, TFG/Ethiopia vs. ICU and TFG/AMISOM vs. Al Shabaab. The fact that ICU pacified Moqadishu and kickout warlods and later Al Shabaab managed to control by far the biggest part of Somalia, should tell you that their key succes wasnt the 4.5 system rather a system based on diversity, local ownership and balance between the clans. While the TFG is using the 4.5 system failed to gather little support from the people since it was created back in 2004. Now, just look at the situation now and how Al Shabaab is losing power while using clannism and actually the TFG is becaming slighly popular since Shariif/Farmaajo said farewell to the 4.5 system back in 2010. This should tell you atleast something. That the key succes in Somalia's reconciliation and governance is not dependant not the clan formula's, but rather on shared morals, value's and interest. And the 4.5 system has rather fractured Somali's(or clans) with common interest then it unified them along shared interest. What the 4.5 system just came out of thin air then? Are you saying someone just thought it up in 2004 and all those warlords suddenly decided it was a good idea? You know and I know why and when the 4.5 system was concieved. Now to reject it because it is not a fair system is (actually) a fair argument. However, since there is no workable alternative (TODAY), someone who really wants to see an improvement in Somalia's condition should whole heartdly support the 4.5 system. After all, the biggest problem facing Somalia today is not the clan one (though this still exists). Somalia's biggest problem is Al Shabab, saaxib. First get rid of them and then deal with the unfairness of the 4.5. Of course, I still believe that even when the time comes to deal with this system it would not be fully abolished. I believe that it will only be modified into becoming FIVE or TEN or even TWENTY point TWO.

*Ibtisam;757999 wrote: Everyone on this thread is the same person, aside from Kool Kat- waxa kale oo dhan wa one person iisu sheegeynay. Hahahaha looool self chat up, dhexdhexdin and the innocent by standard. I need a link for this movie- H-Town has some time to go before a cinema shows up with new box office releases. I don't think they're all the same person. I mean what are the chances of one person creating all these personas and managing to make them all boring? Even Marcus managed to create a couple of interesting personas in his day.

Admin;757833 wrote: As you all know brother Nur got caught up with other time consuming endeavors and could not continue to be a regular moderator for this section. Nur will still have editing powers and be available from time to time to oversee this section and how it is moderated. He will also still contribute his lectures as time permits Insha Allah. If you wish to forward your name or that of another nomad, please reply to this thread or send us a private message. Here are some general expectations. 1. Good Character 2. Islamic Knowledge 3. Sincerity 4. Impartiality 5. Patience 6. Sense of humor PS: Brother Nur and Admin will determine your total score based on your history on this forum. Jizakalah Numbers two and three are hard to prove unless we actually know the person in real life (how do you know I am sincere, how do you know Nur is? ). In addition, with uncle google giving us all we need to know as long as we have basic knowledge of what we're looking for, the Islamic knowledge option also becomes moot. However, based on numbers four, five & six I would like to nominate my ayeeyo (yes, yes, I'm supporting my own team) Blessed, if she has the time. Failing that, I would go for sheikh Maaddeey (he might not be impartial but he'll at least allow you the space to express yourself). Of course, admin can take a chance and make me or Khayr moderators (without blowing my own trumpet, I more or less satisfy all the requirements). Khayer on the other hand might find it beneficial to be muzzled by the moderator hat. p.s. Admin, the General & Politics sections need extra moderators. I nominate A&T for both. p.p.s. Whatever you give Xiin & his army, myself and my kin demand our own cut. :D

Carafaat;757507 wrote: I know SL doesnt have the 4.5 system. And its good that tis immoral system is not institutionalised eventhaught qabyaalad still exist. Then why advocate for something (in Somalia) which you dont apply for yourself? Once there is war in Somaliland, I sure as hell would be advocating for the 4.5 system (or similar variants), adeer. After all, I wouldn't want your long lineaged clan to rip me off. Wax fahan.

This is the fault of the government and the foolish way they announced this new policy. It was (more or less) and open invitation for local xenophobes to go out and beat up the weak.

Carafaat;757484 wrote: Qabiil is to some extent relevant for Somali's. But it should not be institutionalized so that extend. Let people judge for themselves. May I need to remind you that if SL had such a rigid and institutionalized system, your Adeero Siilanyo, AUN Cigaal and Riyaale would never have become President. As with such a system its all about clan and shorter linrage's would never get a chance. Only people like myself who have a bigger and longer lineage would make it. You're just a windup merchant, adeer. SL does not apply the 4.5 system officially but that does not mean it doesn't exist. As for Siilaanyo, Cigaal & Riyaale getting the job and your people not getting it (horta yaaba hadhay?), well that only goes to prove that "longer lineage" does not equal proven ability. Waa la idin dhacay, inadeer.

^^ Rubbish. For normal people/nations the 4.5 system might seem wrong but for Somalis it is the best ever system to have ever been concieved, saaxib. Q is EVERYTHING. Wax fahan.

A man that marries two women is one that hardly spends any time at home. Women are mad and to spend real time between TWO women is impossible.

Walk this way....

^^ You're mixing things up, saaxib. Jacaylbaro will tell you that things have improved for him and his tax rate. He'll tell you that the schools are free now and he might even tell you that he's happy with the upcoming budget. Xaaji X, in his more sober moments, might come back and tell you about all the other achievements of the Kulmiye party and how real, genuine and measurable they are. Marka maxaad ii sheegaysa? p.s. Having said all of that, the Burco old ladies expect more.

^^ If I told you I know her and she told you that she has three addictions (two of which she already revealed), what do you think her third addiction would be?

^^ Yes people are expecting him to improve things. That is why he won the election, saaxib. What's with the xaasidnimo dee? It does not suit you. Xiin, Naah, Che came up with it first. Did you ditch Sharif now? War waan kugo dhawakhnay dee.