Originally posted by Xaji_Xunjuf: it's getting worse by the day it seems also the clan wars are reaching Mudug What is getting worse?

True. But there is a wide spread belief it benefits Puntland rather than the rest of the country.

If there were any reason for me to support Alshabaab it would have been with the ease they stop and illegalize the Qat substance. Otherwise, they are bunch of blood suckers.

Faroole spoke very well. He even went as far as saying that the 4.5 is pointless and should be abolished. So much to the claim that the 4.5 was brain child of Puntland.

^Horta Puntland maxay idinka haysataa Qaadwale?

Somali people love division and they have the audacity to complain why we are in the situation we are in, when in fact we create the situation. So what do we have here, a man who wants to undermine the authority, disturbing the peace and distablising the whole region, and yet we have peole defending him nilly willy!! Ilkajir and the Sanaag folks know too well that their interest lie in a peaceul Puntland and that's why they are supporting the admin, unlike the coach potato diaspora waging a war from their comfort in a western country. But just wait in two years time when Ilkajir stands for presidency, I'm not sure if Xudeedi will still be Xudeedi, Time will tell though.

The young lady has some valid points, but chose to address the problem in a wrong way. I suspect Norway's welfare sytem is similar to that of UK, and as far as it goes, the abuse in the sytem is not exclusive to the Somali community alone and many white natives as well as other ethnic groups are on it. She should have discussed the problem in broad terms suggesting where the flaws of the welfare sytem are and bring forward a practical solution. But singling out the Somali community, she is playing into the hands of the white supremist and all kind of bad publicity that Somalis don't need and can't afford. Also, I sense laziness in her, if she needs change, she should first started from her house and from the community centres and mosques instead of going public. I imagine organsing seminars at the weekeds, raising awareness at the somali media would have been more beneficial than going to Nowegian press. Using Somali Sheikhs who are by the way doing alot on this, is onother. Wabillahi towfiq

Xudeedi I think you are talking to yourself but you are confusing yourself. How can something be clanish and ideological at same time. Listen to Atam's latest interview today in which he said their fighers are from all the clans in the area so this has nothing to do with a clan . Ramadan Kariim

Ramadan Kariim To all.

Yeah Somlialand should be worried about Awdal State of Somali rather than hoping aginst a hope puntland would lose a community. VIVA to Awdal VIVA to Somalia

The secessionists were hoping that this would cause a division within Puntland and the Makhiris will be running to them, Now their hopes are dashed they resort to having a go at Ilkajiir, who by far showed maturity and nationalism. He is statesman and bigger than clan. He realised the danger of Attam's group to the security and the wellbeing of the state and for that he did not show narrowed mindedness showed by our resident nomads by the names of Nassir and Xudeedi, who were very emotional and we can sfely say that they were blinded by clanism. But the seccessionist should be supporting on this and I'm sure their leaders were wary of the problem spilling to the North, and you know how the seccessionist are clanish to core core, the desease of Alshabaab would have spread like a house on fire, so boys you have alot to thank to Puntland and Imaam Faroole

Originally posted by NGONGE: Comparing him to his predecessors shows you the level and extent of his incompetence. PL was there for twelve years, PL was functioning fine (if not perfectly) so why is PL facing so many problems today (with many of those created by Faroole himself)? The buck stops with the self declared Imaam; duhurkiisa waa shan rakcado. Tell me you don't know anything about Puntland politics, for you to utter those words. Puntland's darkest hour was the last months of Adde Muse's reign, when there were random assasinations in almost all the major towns in Puntland, when most of the commentators ruled its existence out. Inflation was on the roof and people could hadly feed their children and police and the soldiers were deserting for lack of payment. There came Faroole, who have returned the law and order, improved the security, dealt with counter-feit problem and paid all the goverment employees including the regular soldiers. He surrounded himself with young educated minsters and done away with the old currup men who thought they owned the place. Now, that's is an achievement and for that he earned the respect and the support of the most of the Puntland people. Galgala issue is a minor and it has got nothing to do with clans except for few individuals who see everything on clan goggles. SSC is another issue that's equally a headache to both Somaliland and Puntland and even more so to Somaliland than as it is to Puntland.

Faroole should be commended for giving a time to the elders who claimed they could solve the problem without a bloodshed, while on the other hand not sounding weak leader. PIS has already been reformed and its not his big problem any more. The fact that he put it in charge of a man that takes orders from him should speak volume.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: As i said ... I'm very liberal ..... Nin dhahaya Liberal baan ahay xaaladiisu ma fiicna

^You made a sweeping statement you should be able to back it up and defend it. That's all.

Originally posted by Dabshid: quote:Originally posted by Samafal: I too think its a waste of time. Clans will never agree on anything. Each want a bigger fish than the rest and its very hard to reconcile. I think he should ignore clan grievances and let the people decide by one man one vote sytem that's fair and transparent. In that way any clan that thinks they've got the numbers and influence can show at the ballot box. But one thing is paralysing Faroole and its not clans, its ignoring one of the biggest structutes that's a foundation to any goverment: a military might that is deterrent to any potential trouble makers. Its before anything and everything including developments that he is always talking about. ^The question is , will Faroole ever adopt that, knowing that the current setup, favours his clan? This conference is a joke, Tolow ma NGOS baa xooga laga rabaa? and how does current set up favours his clan? do you know what you talking about? And who is his clan really?

I too think its a waste of time. Clans will never agree on anything. Each want a bigger fish than the rest and its very hard to reconcile. I think he should ignore clan grievances and let the people decide by one man one vote sytem that's fair and transparent. In that way any clan that thinks they've got the numbers and influence can show at the ballot box. But one thing is paralysing Faroole and its not clans, its ignoring one of the biggest structutes that's a foundation to any goverment: a military might that is deterrent to any potential trouble makers. Its before anything and everything including developments that he is always talking about.

No doubt PIS need a big shake up than Faroole has so far provided. The fact that there is a security Services Agency that operates independently from the rest of the other security structures is mind boggling. Having said that,we need to undersatnd all these can only be achieved when normality returns and the guy in the mountains descends, and random killings stop. Unless these happens Faroole will see the importance of having one cohesive, armed unit that can be relied to defend the state. Also, one clan dominates the PIS is a myth, they consist soldiers from all the regions of Puntland.

Allaha awooda leh ha u naxariisto dumarkaas masaakiinta ah, kuwii ka dambeeyana balo tirtirta ha ku salado.

http://www.blip.tv/file/3921258 This is very interesting interview by a Sheikh called Shiekh Hassan Mohmud Takar, a London resident and well known around London. He refutes Sheikh Omar Faruq's stance on African troops and the TFG. He also refutes Sheikh Umal, Sheikh shibile and others. He also talks about Puntland's current political state. He talks about Sheikh Atam, Las'anod and the peace deal with Ethopia by the What is interesting about this Shiekh is he seems to be saying why is Farole is busy with Galgala while not doing anything to help Las,anod, very ironic as this is coming from a supposely a man of god.

Originally posted by TheParagon: Xudeedi, Nasir, Koora-tuunshe - sxbyaal let's take it easy. Things come and go but the aftertaste usually determines how sour it was. Hadaad la kala roonaanin roob ma da'o. Xudeedi, inadeer banooniga deji kistoo. quote: Originally posted by Samafal: We used to hear "Dadka dagaalamaya waa dadka degaanka in Mogadishu, when Alshabaab weren't so powerful in Mogadishu". Too bad reer Puntland will not buy this ****shit, too bad some are falling for this becouse of their clan. Alshabaab or no Alshabaab the guy even admitted in that SPR conterversial interview Alshabaab and his group have same goal of establishing Islamic adminstration with the Alshabab way of interpreting Islam. Kuwan reer sanaag sheeganaya, waxa ka maqan ee ninkan uu usoo dhicinayo maxay yihiin? Samafal, waa sidee adeer? Beryahan waad yara kacsan tahaye? Adeer hubsiino hal baa la siistaaye la soco. Waxba yeyan caadifad na qaadin. Bal aan is dejinno, waayo runtii we could be unknowingly supporting or opposing sides we know not what their agenda is.Sxb nin caadifadeed iguma taqaanid. laakiin waxaa layiri mu'min god labo goor lagama wada qaniino. Alshabaab caasumadeenii bay huf iyo haatuf ka dhigeen dadkii bay is ka laynayaa bilaa macno, wax aan diintu islaamku aysan qabin oo is qarxin, dad masaajida lagu dilo oon waligeed Soomaliya laga aqoon bay keeneen. Saas ooy tahayna wali ma joogsanayaan dhul kale oo nabdoon bay rabaaan inay baro kiciyaan islaamaha iyo caruurta iyo inta maatada ah. Hadaa aduunkii nala yaabanyahay hadii 3 Milyan oo kale labarokiciyo xagay baynu aadi. Marka Waxaan dareemayaa khatarta nimankaan soo wadaan iyo waxa ay rabaan, idnku waxaan ka hadlaysaan reerkayagaa loo socda! war heedhe reerku maxay haystaan oo gooniya oo dadka intaa le'eg oo walaalahooda ah oo waligood aysan waxba ka bi'in ah isugu raacayaan inay weeraraan oo qabsadaan. Marka su'aashaydu waa iga dhab waxaan rabay inaan ogaado waxa reerku ay tuhmyaan in ninkaan loogu socdo. Waxaan filayaa reer qardhood baa reer Dahar xinif ka dhaxaysaa! laakiin bal adigu ii sheeg labo reer oo reer buntland ah oo aysan xinif ka dhaxayn, laakiin taas cadaawad la iskugu soo duulo oo laysku gardaroo ma gaarto, mana filayo in caqligaa cidna isku raacayso. Ta kale Islaamka cidna ma diidana, Soomali oo dhan hadii layiraahdo Islaamka isku dhaqa way soo wada ordin iyadoo aan cidna la layn, dhibaatana dhicin ee Somlai culumo waa wayn bee leedahaye iyaga ha loo dhiibto talada, wiilashaan yar yar oo indhaha soo duuduubtay cid islaanimo ugama ma fadhido Soomaali wax ku filan waa ka aragtay.

We used to hear "Dadka dagaalamaya waa dadka degaanka in Mogadishu, when Alshabaab weren't so powerful in Mogadishu". Too bad reer Puntland will not buy this ****shit, too bad some are falling for this becouse of their clan. Alshabaab or no Alshabaab the guy even admitted in that SPR conterversial interview Alshabaab and his group have same goal of establishing Islamic adminstration with the Alshabab way of interpreting Islam. Kuwan reer sanaag sheeganaya, waxa ka maqan ee ninkan uu usoo dhicinayo maxay yihiin?

^lol. That's what I call desperation. Ma hadaa hadaladiina lakala fasiray. Good luck with your newly found hero Masaajidda = Reer Bari. So he's not reer Bari?

OK what do we know from this interview conducted through Paltalk: He says they are ashabaab and Alshabab is Them. He also says that they have been in the mountains in last five years preaparing themselves for Jihad. He says before he was a lecturer at a university and then decided to start a Holy war against the Admin as they were not governing under the Shria Law. He also goes to say that he has contacted a much bigger Sheihks from Punland about announcing Jihad but they declined to wage a Jihad as they see the admin as Islamic one. He also indirectly confirms that his group are behind the killing of Puntland soldiers and claims that the population don't support them as they do not take or help the slain soldiers on the streets. He pleaded the businessmen, and the rest of the population to help them and join them as they are waging a Jihad in a very hard terrain He said that they operate between the land between Puntland Somlailand. In that interview he did not once claim he was defending a clan interest or even implied it. Now we need our friends Xudeedi, Nassir and Paragon to come out and state which side they are on. I know Paragon is against Alshabab in the South but is he also against the alshabab of Punland? What a brave new world. The ball now is on the Reer Puntland's corner. They either choose the stabilty and the peace that they always enjoyed in or the mayham and terror that engulfed in the South of the counry.

Mid kaa yar ee Xudeedi la leeyahay hadii wax ka naxaaya jiraan isbitaal ha lageeyo Waligaa ma aragtay qof u oonaya dad aan dilo, ciidan aan uruursado, hadii la iska kay ciliyana anaa qabiilkaygii lagu soo duulay, war ileen tanoo kale!