I am not sure, but Mr. Geedi, C/qadir cosoble and some D boys in Kenya are pushing this motion. It won't be a change but a coup by Kenya.

Waar ilayn anagaa wax aragnay, juba state cid walba miyey ka noqonaysaa. I thought the guy was from Garoowe. More logical will be probably Prime Minister. He could deal tough to Al-shabaab hideouts in Mogadishu.

I can assure you their manners are better and are not bs load as most Faradheer.

I think that statement concluded the Jigjiga debate. The Woyane appoints and fires the Governors. Sometimes they even used to arrest them after they served few years. More ten governors served under Meles.

You need 2/3, supermajority to unseat Qoslaaye. It is a big blow to his ego and it could be a wake up call to do better. For me September/2014, could be the main deadline, which is half way of his mandate. Having said that , if the interest of the country is served by his removal, then the Somali Parliament must decide, not foreign entities. It is unacceptable for the so called international community to decide the term of the Somali leader. Are they want to remove him because of incompetence and the lack building Somali National army to tackle the insecurity or he got some back bone and challenged The baby face (dad's boy) Uhuru and Ethiopia?. If the case is the later we will support him to stand up to his ground and implement his agenda. Now we know how decent and good leader Shariif Ahmed was. Maybe these leaders learn things in their later years, for that reason, I will not jump the gun. Besides we don't have or seen any credible alternative who is ready to replace him at the moment. We may end up with some nobody selected by Nairobi or Ethiopia. let us wait guys.

Il Dittore, probably lost his marbles, The word I used is" the best grazing land" there is a difference between grazing land and fertile land. Grazing is for livestock, while fertile land like Jubba and Shabeele are for farming. Dhoobaydu Idaha, Adhiga iyo Geela midna lagumo dhaqo. Go check yourself which one has more goats between Nugaal valley and Jawhar.

Who knows maybe they are Siilaanyo for help. Waar nimankan Afrikada ka soo shaqo tagay mishaarkooda $1500 doolar ah idinku qaata oo askar noo soo dira , Hadii Islaanimo iyo walaatinimo jirto. Jawaabta Siilaanyo, waxaan ka sugaynaa Ciidansuldaan.

By the way Dittore Zone 5 is divided in two major area during the colonial times. The Ogaden region which is mostly the "oogo" zone was transferred to Ethiopia in 1948. The Long foot decided to join their lot with then Emperor Haile Salaase. They were afraid of the British which was more powerful. The main districts in these area are Dollow, Dhagaxbuur, Qabridahare and Webi ganaane area. other than the river basin in the south west most of the land is arid semi desert savannah which is not agricultural land. The biggest land mass which the second Zone was called "Hawd & reserve". This land was bigger than Somaliland itself when the British transferred to Ethiopia in 1954. This part of the land borders both Somaliland and puntland. The major cities are Diredawa and shiniile on the deep west, Awbare, Awaare, Wajaale, Xarshin, Araabi, Dambal, lafaciise, Sheed dheer in the south. Wardheer, carro danood, Gaashaamo and others share the border in the east. The Gurgura are one of the largest Somalis in the Zone. almost most of the Zone presidents or vice presidents were from them., yet you don't hear them saying they own the Zone. THe D,,,R community begins in the northern shores of the red sea, pass Dire Dawa to Djibouti. From Zaylac to the outskirt of Laascaanood in the east. from Mudug all the way to Shabeelaha Hoose and Kismaayo. From East of Jigjiga to quljeed and wajaale. Yet you do not hear us saying the dir-- who are running two governments in Djibouti and Somaliland-- are the most powerful or influential. I guess it is all about Boosting and self aggrandizing. These are the best grazing land of the land inhabited by somalis, including the republic. JIgJIga is how Mogadishu was in the eighties. A multi tribal community. If Sahal became a governor suddenly it all belongs to the even reer Bari like Dittore who never ever seen the Zone.

Dittore Jigjiga is not Sahal. one of our boys was even a governor of Jigjiga. Gurgura, I,,,,q, Djibouti community and awdal community who are D.....r inhabit some the most grazing hawd and cities. did you hear Awbarre district it had 120,000 people according last census. Our friends the long foot maybe in charge today due to their struggle and Onlf, but they are minority. I won't even debate that. The reer Bari are fishermen and traders, what you do with farming.

Mooge, saaxiib, I know what you thinking, but I just want "il Dittore" to be save. Al-shaydaan could be in Jubba.

Dittore, I don't think you will be going to jubooyinka any time soon, so enjoy the Bari beeches.

The guy is carrying the name of the head of Somali state not qoslaaye, so we expect Kerry or others to respect the people he is representing and give him the protocol he deserves. Raali kama nihin in la bahdilo.

Dahir Calasow, sometimes uncovers real investigative reports. If he balances and keeps his objectivity , he could have become a great investigative journalist. He was the one who told us about Damuljadiid. The problem is, his constant attack of some groups or businesses diminish his credibility.

Che, among the points you raised the return of Amhara is probably the scariest option. I check their websites and you won't believe their rhetoric. Some even suggest that for Ethiopia to be great , they must get a sea port, and they are not talking about Eritrea but Djibouti. one of their intellectual professors suggested that a ten year occupation of Djibouti and the relocation of 1 million Ethiopians can change the demography easily. They also blame Meles for for the ethnic separation of the communities. Most of the Oromo who share borders with Somalis have cultural links with us. There are literally millions of Oromos who are ethnic Somalis who took Oromo language and culture. They are called " warooyin". each one's tribe is preceded by waro. Since our population is smaller, I do not mind people who share faith and culture, who can assimilate easily to boost our ranks.. In Fact thousands of them live in Hargeisa, Borama , Boosaaso and other places. For the Woyane to rule for ever, they must all become soldiers. If we were in charge of Somalia, we would have decided who should be ruling Ethiopia, not the other way around . If they do not play ball, " sideed Jabhadood oo kala duwan baan ku sii dayn lahayn. There is no way this country can exist in this form. They have three choices to make. 1- Disintegration and dissolution just like former Yugoslavia. Every ethnic group will have their own state. 2- Plural democracy. A multi ethnic, multicultural country where people vote for those who rule. That means the minority Tigray, or Amhara will not be the favorite candidates. That scenario will dethrone them peacefully and Ethiopia could become a modern free country. 3- The status quo. Keep things the way they are and wait for the implosion and violent disintegration of the country. by 2017, If things get bad, we may even send some peace keepers to keep the order. Like most oppressive rulers , I know they will choose the last option.

Mahiigaan, saaxiib isku xisbi baynu nahay. Aan is dhaafino odaygan Siilaanyo. Runtii waa daalay. We need being change in terms of the government is run and service is delivered.

Tillamook, what grave consequences left for the Somalis of horn?. Millions starved to death, thousands died in the high seas, others are refugees in the neighboring countries and Al-shabaab is murdering people daily. What is left for you to worry about Ethiopian strive. In Zone five there is economic stagnation. There is no more train from Djibouti to Dire Dawa, no business in that part. The trade between Berbera-Jigjiga is almost dead, there are checkpoints to confiscate any goods even for local use. You may have seen few buildings in Jigjiga but Zone five is a big jail. Please spare us your crocodile tears. The only thing is some Somalis may lose their protector. well, the chicken may have come home to roost. There are no gradual changes in this kind of systems. They rule by the barrel of the gun. The only way they will accept change is by violent overthrow. I know some of you may be shedding some tears for you protectors, but Ethiopia, like the middle east, cannot transform peacefully. Besides, I never seen you in this pages praying for your own country. No change has taken place in this country for forty years. The communist dictatorship is replaced by the TPLF from 1991 til Meles passed away 2012. The so called federal system is a bogus decentralization, no election has ever taken place in this country. They May call themselves, Oromia, zone Five of Somalia, or other ethnic names , but the military and the army that patrols the country are ething Tigray with few Amharas. They appoint the leaders of these regions and the military leaders oversee the them. Sooner or later Ethiopia will disintegrate, just like former Yugoslavia. the four million Tigray citizens cannot control eighty million people who want to be free. In this age of information, if Oromia and others decide to be free of Tigray oppression anything is possible.

Probably our fierce independent loving culture is the one that saved us from being swallowed by others or occupied during the colonial era. My only fear is we may get used to being small enclaves with insignificant political power in the world stage. In late nineteenth century we owned one of the largest land masses in the African continent and the longest coast. From outskirt of Dire Dawa in the cwest , to Garissa, NFD in the south, and northern corner of the red sea . It is sobering assessment when you see how far we traveled and where we ended the journey. Doctorkenney, I think your statement is a obering acceptance of the reality. We no longer hope that an all powerful leader will bring the nation together or even build prosperous Somalia. For the last 14 years since Carta, In Djibouti we always thought that the selected President will usher a new down. That dream is gone now. The mistrust and fear among the people has increased not diminished. A big and booming Mogadishu may not even resolve the future.. Khaatumo and others have every right to decide their own destiny. In the nomadic tradition , unless your camels drink first ," Ilaa uu xoolihiisu cabo oo uu fulo waa in aad sugtaa". everyone else have to wait. If there is an orphan family who have two goats to give water, they have to wait until those who have the 300 camels finish. It may even take two days. " Geel jiruhu ma garanyo in uu yidhaahdo waar bal Islaantan labada neef wadata biyaha ha waraabsatee aan u dayno". That same culture relocated into the Urban environment. That is why it is difficult for the guy in Mogadishu to dig well in Qardho, or the Burco guy, to allow development in Awdal. Remember the money or the development equipment That he wants to keep for himself and his Tribe is paid by somebody else. The issue of having common defence will be also difficult. Regions would prefer having their own defence. People are literally begging the leaders to dig water wells or small fishing port. There are no local tax base at all. Big government means people on the mercy of others. On the issue of common defence, it could be even difficult. Mistrust and fear may not even make to build the army. Look at the gulf countries, they have the resource to do but do not trust each other. Anyway, we need open debate. We no longer accept a Mogadishu based solutions, or people enriching themselves in the name os state. I want my local community to collect taxes and build local capacity. We no longer need to beg a so called big fish moves like emperors.

This could be the beginning of the disintegration of the empire. How far will the Tigre dictatorship will last. All empires of twentieth century had disappeared except Abyssinia. Oromo are 40 million or more than 50% of the population, if they rise up Ethiopia will become five or six states. Somali, Danakil, Oromia, Tigray, Amhara, and southern nationalities. The only way they can keep existing is if they become democratic and plural state. Let us pray for the change and hope Oromia get their own state free of Amhara and Tigray.

Doctorkenney, you are correct on the border thing. Even today, the border with Ethiopia doesn't even have check points in many places. Also Somalis hate to take order from some distant place. The American colonies did not have to fear a neighbor swallowing, since the british threat disappeared in early 1800. That loose union might be the best solution. The difficult thing is can we reach their or survive . One thing that does not work is centralized union. In the late fifties and early sixties, there were no misery, hunger or food shortages. Livestock had a value, agriculture was there. Every thing collapsed after the formation national government. regional and national administration suck every thing like a vacuum, while giving back nothing. Do you remember the municipal tax collector waiting at the gate of the city to tax milk and firewood, it is still going on. How can you make these federal regions effective and efficient?. They do not see themselves as leaders who are given the responsibilities to make life better for their citizens, but they want to be a big fish in a small pond. I agree, the centralized Mogadishu based government became a vessel to get foreign aid in the name of Somali government. How can we implement this loose union without being swallowed by our enemies?,

oil wealth makes it attractive. Local customs are important. It is difficult to reconcile the Mudug culture with those from Shabeelaha Hoose. Since we love freedom just like the Americans , we may even copy some of their regional based governments. In Texas, they say do not mess with Texas. If you murder somebody they will give you the death penalty, while in Oregon or in New England they will keep you in jail for few years. The Wahaabi culture suits well the Galgaduud, Mudug, Gedo, Togdheer and Nugaal and Bakool societies. It can not survive in Jawhar, Hargeisa, Borama or Marka.If you study carefully those who brought the Wahabi movement to Somalia originate from central Somalia. Since militarism and dictatorship could not work in 21st century, they shifted to religion. " qorigii intay yare dhigeen ayey Kitaab qori la socdo soo qaateen". Having said that I believe the federal system should bring regions and people together not push them aside. Today's federal system will lead eventual breakup of the country. . Each one has his own army, intelligence, foreign policy and have already attached themselves with foreign powers in the region. Those who are in position of leadership are not doing anything that is even close to a united country. Have you ever heard anyone calling for a national army. Why not demand that these members of parliament each, bring 100 men from their region and recruit to the army. You can't have an army only from those who are president, prime minister and speaker of parliament. C/laahi Yusud, Geedi and Aadan Madoobe did the same thing ten years ago. These are tribal militia not national army. If the trend that we see today continues, there will be four or five semi independent countries. Did you hear about Abkhazia and ostesian republics who are only recognized by Russia as de facto states who separated from Georgia, or other minor ones in Moldova. It could happen. All the ingredients that fuel that kind of breakup are present. Look at Ethiopia for the first ten years since 1990 we were begging her to stop arming warlords and criminals, now we are begging her to come and help us defeat the symptoms they created. I will conclude that "il Dittore" Osman may even get his wish, his own country.

Hawdian, they are Sunni Muslims and their Madhab is Xanafi. As most modern Islamic school of thoughts they originate from the founder, Mr. Gullen who lives in Pennsylvania,USA. I believe they will be loyal followers of Mr. Gullen, just like the " akhwaan Muslimeen" are followers of the Egypt, " Wahhabis follow the Kingdom of Saudi Royal Family and Tabliiq are followers of Pakistan based movement. What they do not get is that Islam arrived in the Somali shores before it reached Medina, Egypt, Pakistan, Turkey or these backward Arabs of the gulf. Somalia, who never fully experienced the Islamic civilization earlier century and the western civilization brought by european colonizers are empty vessels that could be filled with any new ideology. Also the Wahabi chauvinistic culture which originate in the bedouin tradition of the gulf could fit very well with the arrogant and control freak Somalis from the central regions, nomadic tribes of Bakool and Gedo region. You may even find some Wahhabi extremists in Togdheer region of Somaliland. You could hardly find a Wahabi or extremist murderers in the civilized provinces where Islamic tradition is alive before the arrival of the Wahhabis in the eighties and nineties. I do not want to generalize but between Garoowe and Hiiraan, both the Cusmaaniyiin (Ottaman) civilization and the Western(Italian and british), did not fully developed in those regions. you can easily see the difference between the agricultural and advanced Arabs of Iraq and Sham, from the backward gulf kingdoms who are empty sand dunes with petro Dollars. There are no civilizations at all in these countries. If you want to see an Arab culture you go to cairo and Egypt. Any way, A country with all these competing ideologies , it is difficult to find harmony. Mix that with Talaabo, Apophis and others who are the other extreme.

Ciidansuldaan, most of them do not care. THey do not take life and country seriously. Let me confess, I was one of the Hiilqaran activists. The southern members of the party, few paid their dues or took seriously their duties. For many of them it was a political exercise.

maybe I write in a rush, but I mean WE unionists were missing our friends and family for Union Cause that in disappearing in Mogadishu.

Buuraha, be honest, can you tell as how Kulmiye could lose the next election?, is their any threat from the opposition?.

Folks this is serious. If Mogadishu doesn't change, anything can happen. You can;t play with fire for long time eventually it will burn you. It is not only war that divides or changes countries, it is the system not working for the interest of the people or the people giving up on their fellow citizens. You heard last week about Cali daacuun complaining about hopelessness of Mogadishu and the sacrifices people pay to be unionist. YOu do not understand. AS you may have seen in my threads , I try to reach out to my Somalilander friends. Can you imagine having friends, families and old acquaintances in your own city and not being able to have the opportunity to sit relax and enjoy coffee, meals and other friendly gatherings. Because we were working and looking different futures. can you imagine missing the company of your friends, because of a cause that becoming difficult to achieve as time goes. How long one have to be exiled from his own families and friends. The southern man can never understand .