I don't have a problem with the size of the cabinet as long as the ministers do some work for a reasonable salary, are accountable, and transparent. And yes Xiin is right they are all political posts to keep the clans happy.

Che -Guevara;931710 wrote: Jb....There was no Somaliland in 1982, atleast get the history right. Tallaabo...I thought your struggle was war of independence ergo not part of the Somali civil war. The war in the north of the former republic was not about the independence of Somaliland. There is no Somaliland in SNM, it was Somali National Movement. The SNM 's agenda was never about the secession of Somaliland but was about the overthrow of Siyad Barre's tyrannical regime. It was only when Siyad's forces were expelled from the north and the disillusioned and very angry refugees returned that the civilians demanded the restoration of Somaliland's independence. The SNM leaders who were all getting ready to go to Mogadisho and help establish and new central government there had no choice but to oblige. So yes the war in the north of the former republic was part of the Somali civil war.

oba hiloowlow;931486 wrote: it doesn't sound somali at all tallaabo. Rendille langage is similar too somali tho Are these people Somali? I am confused lol.

Samafal;931432 wrote: Caku iyo Soomali iyo dhul aysan dad u hayn yaa ku baroortay. War kii aan nala ku haysan baan hagaajin la;anahay ma midkalaad taag u haysaa. Tan kale aniga ha ii tirine ii sheeg meesha ay Oromo kaa qabsadeen. Diredawe waa magaalo la wada dago iyagaana kaaga badaan magacana iyaga luqadooda weeye ee is daji. Are you joking? Diri Dhabe not Diri Dawa as the Ethiopians call it, was the heartland of the Somali *** clan. It is named after that clan and has nothing to do with the Oromos. I too have a huge problem with the aggressive land grabbing policy of the Oromos, they should be confronted and dealt with but please let us not insult them after all they are our closest cousins.

OdaySomali;931449 wrote: Similarities in language: Although both Af-Somali and Afaan Oromo use the latin characters for their alphabet, you have to bear in mind that we may not use the same letters with the same pronounciation e.g. we spell Wiil , they spell Weel . Meaning: Father Somali: Aabo, Aabe Oromo: Abbaa -- Meaning: Son Somali: Ilmo Oromo: Ilma -- Meaning: Mother Somali: Hooyo Oromo: Haadha -- Meaning: Daughter Somali: Inan, Inantaa Oromo: Intala -- Meaning: Man, Men, People Somali: Niman Oromo: Nama -- Meaning: Five Somali: Shan Oromo: Shan --- Meaning: Teach Somali: Bar Oromo: Bar teacher = barsiiso -- Meaning: Year, time Somali: Waa, Waaga Oromo: Waggaa -- Meaning: The man, the men Somali: Ninka, Nimanka Oromo: Namicha -- Meaning: The end, End Somali: Dhamaad Oromo: Dhuma -- Meaning: owns/has Somali: Qaba Oromo: Qaba -- Meaning: Name, [What is] your name?, the name Somali: Magac, Magacaa?, Magacan oromo: Maqaa, Maqaan -- Meaning: Mouth, Language Somali: Af Oromo: Af[aan] -- Meaning: I Somali: Ani, Ani[ga] Oromo: Ani -- Meaning: You Somali: Adi, Aid[ga] Oromo: Ati -- Meaning: He Somali: Isa[ga] Oromo: Isa -- Meaning: You have Somali: Qabtaa Oromo: Qabda -- Meaning: We Enter Somali: Gallay Oromo: Galla -- Meaning: We learn Somali: Baranaa Oromo: Barra -- Meaning: Ears, listen Somali, Dhego, Dhegayso Oromo: Dhagga, Dhageessa -- Meaning: Go/get up Somali: Kac, Ka' Oromo: Ka' -- Menaing: Break, Break to pieces Somali: Chab (Jab), Chachab (jajab) Oromo: Cab, Cacab --- Meaning: 'say' or 'shout' Soomaali: iyaa [yaah] Oromo (Galla): iyya --------- Meaning: 'crockodile' Soomaali: yaxaas Oromo (Boni): yahaas Rendille (Reer Diinle): yahasi --------- Meaning: 'wild dog' Soomaali: yeey Oromo (Galla): yeeyii Oromo (Boni): yeye Rendille: yaay --------- Meaning: 'light' Soomaali: if/iftiin Oromo (Galla): ifa ----------- Meaning: 'long hair' Soomaali: dab Oromo (Galla): daabee ---------- Meaning: 'back' Soomaali: dhabar Oromo: daban ----------- Meaning: 'young bull' Soomaali: dibbi Oromo (Galla): dib-icca ----------- Meaning: 'man' [calling a man] Soomaali: waryaa [waraa] Oromo (Galla): warra -------- Meaning: 'call, invite' Soomaali: waani/waano Oromo (Galla): waama ----------- Meaning: 'hyena' Soomaali: waraabe Oromo (Galla): warab-esa Rendille: waraba ------------- Meaning: 'boy' or 'child' Soomaali: wiil Oromo (Boni): weel ---------- Meaning: 'son, brother' Soomaali: walaal Rendille: walal ------------ Meaning: 'rhinoceros' Soomaali: wiyil Rendille: weyel -------- Meaning: 'fruit of cactus' Soomaali: tin [tiintiin] Oromo (Galla): tini ----------- Meaning: 'spit' Soomaali: tuf Oromo (Galla): tufe ------------ Meaning: 'beat' Soomaali: tun [tuma dadkaas] Oromo (Galla): tuma Rendille: tum --------- Meaning: 'she-goat' Soomaali: ri' Oromo (Galla): ree ----------- Meaning: 'follow' Soomaali: raac Oromo (Boni): raa' Rendille: raah ---------- Meaning: 'run' Soomaali: orod Oromo (Boni): irid Rendille: irid ----------- Meaning: 'womb, uterus' or 'pregnant (of animals)' Soomaali: rimay, riman Oromo (Galla): riimaa Rendille: rim ----------- Meaning: 'rain' Soomaali: roob Oromo (Galla): rooba Oromo (Boni): roob ----------- Meaning: 'cow' Soomaali: sac Oromo (Galla): saa' --------- Meaning: 'lungs' Soomaali: sambab Oromo (Galla): somba --------- Meaning: 'cripple' Soomaali: naafa Oromo (Galla): naafa --------- Meaning: 'breath' or 'soul' or 'life Somali: naf [soul] or neef [breath] Oromo (Boni): nef ---------- Meaning: 'man' Soomaali: nin [niman] Oromo (Galla): nama ---------- Meaning: 'breath' or 'breathe' Soomaali: neefso Oromo (Boni): neefso Rendille: nefsi/nefso ---------- Meaning: 'live long' Soomaali: raage Oromo (Galla): raaga --------- Meaning: 'elephant' Soomaali: maroodi Oromo (Galla): marode --------- Meaning: 'be drunk' Soomaali: [ma cabee], cabid Oromo (Galla): macaw ---------- Meaning: 'family' or people Soomaali: maati [people] Oromo (Galla): maatii [family] --------- Meaning: 'manger' or 'home' Soomaali: moora ['animal shelter'], old homes Oromo (Galla): moora ---------- Meaning: 'herd of cows' Soomaali: lo' Oromo (Galla): loon Rendille: loolyo -------- Meaning: 'hen' Soomaali: luki [lost word, now dooro] Oromo (Galla): lukku --------- Meaning: 'leg, hip' Soomaali: lug Oromo (Galla): luka, lukaa Rendille: lux ---------- Meaning: 'name' Soomaali: magac Oromo (Galla): maqa Rendille: magaca ---------- Meaning: 'house' Soomaali: minan Oromo (Galla): mana, manaa Oromo (Boni): min --------- Meaning: 'bone' Soomaali: laf Oromo (Galla): lafe --------- Meaning: 'companion, relative' Soomaali: lammaan Oromo (Galla): lammii ----------- Meaning: 'heart' or 'chest Soomaali: lab [heart] Oromo (Galla): labb [chest] ----------- Meaning: 'swallow' Soomaali: liqid Oromo (Galla): liqim ----------- Meaning: 'foreskin' [dead skin] Somali: qolof Oromo (Galla): qolofa --------- Meaning: 'cold' Somali: qaboow Oromo (Galla): qabbanawa Rendille: qobo ---------- Meaning: 'young female camel' Somali: qaalin Rendille: qaalim ---------- Meaning: to bite Somali: qaniin Oromo (Galla): qinina ------------ Meaning: 'high mountain, summit' Somali: qar [qarka] Oromo (Galla): qara --- Meaning: Tongue Somali: Carab Oromo: Arrabba -- Meaning: Teeth/Tooth Somali: Ilko, Ilig Oromo: Ilkaan, Ilkee -- Meaning: Leg Somali: Lug Oromo: Luka -- Meaning: Knee Oromo: Jilba Somali: Jilib -- Meaning: Head Somali: Madax (madah) Oromo: Mataa --- Meaning: Hair Somali: Timo/ Rif? e.g. timhaha ka rif Oromo: Rifaa -- Meaning: face Oromo: Fuula Somali: Fool That is what I am taking about. So I was not hearing my own echo afterall? And as predicted Xaaji is on fire with rage:eek:

^ For them the civil war started in 1991. Prior to that life was blissful and they cared little about what was happening in the far alien world of the North. They were just like the American citizens who will struggle to find Iraq on the world map despite their army obliterating that nation.

Nin-Yaaban;930903 wrote: Social isolation 'increases death risk in older people' Worried for some of the people here. Don't worry SOL counts as family/friend;)

Carafaat;931491 wrote: Au revoir to the Ottowa based diaspora Awdal State. They were in the top 3 of most popular diaspora states. The downfall of these internet states has already caused a huge financial crisis for a lot of businesses including coffee shops, dance halls, amateur photographers, web developers, fancy dress boutiques, etc and is perpetuating the Western world's economic recession. Perhaps these qurbo meer states should ask for a bailout from the treasuries of host countries to keep the wider economy going.

nuune;931368 wrote: I take that back, after writing it more than 10 years ago. Inshaalah you will change your opinion of them again in about 25 years time;)

GaroweGal;931557 wrote: I feel sorry for 'us' unsuspecting Somali women for having to deal with such cayaal suuqiin. war dee isku xishooda oo saqajaannimadiina banaanka hasoo dhigina. Alloow ceeb astur. I would advise my fellow Somali sisters to scrutinize their future spouse and make sure to get them tested for STDs. I cant help but notice the double standards of the Somali culture regarding boys and girls, I cannot imagine what the reaction would be if a Xaliimo dared to mention her ex cadaan boyfriend in SOL.. I am really sick of the hypocrisy and the double-standards of the Somali culture when it comes to upbringing boys and girls. I have observed that boys can play around and sleep around but the girls are expected to be pure and perfect. Well said GG. If anyone of those boosting about dating a white girl is told his sister is dating a white man or a Jamaican, they would be hiding in shame and embarrassment. The Somali man's hypocrisy is legendary.

Some more information for this academic exercise: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/somalia/T39ACGC0D0385I82R Edit: In this Topix thread, one Oromo guy is claiming that the entire H@wiye clan is actually a sub-clan of Babiile Oromo. Hallelujah;)

^ Alla ninku waa Oromada Hargaysa nagu haysata:mad:

^ You have got a point. May be we are the ones who speak a corrupted version of their language.:confused:

I am sure this thread will inflame the Xaaji and induce a tirade prejudice from others like Oba and Haatu but let us take some time to learn more about this Somali-like nation next door. For a start, the very obvious similarities between the Somalis and the Oromos are their distinct looks, their dress, their culture, religion and now after a short academic study of their Youtube clips I am of the opinion that they speak a dialect of Somali. I mean when I listened to them attentively, very attentively I could almost hear them speak a weird Somali. For a Northerner like me, their language sounds Somali but is just as hard to understand as Maay Maay. Here is one such clip for you to look at:

Mr Saalax please stop your naked tribalism, the SSC folks were never part of the defeated lot, not even the enemy camp. They are and will always be where they were before the defeated lot were chased out of Somaliland with no shoes on. The defeated lot are the ones whose golden age of robbery and false pride was short lived thanks to the SNM warriors. They are the ones flooding this thread with hate for the tormentors of their fathers who have now resigned to the indignity of wailing for their bye gone era in coffee shop around the world. The defeated lot as shown in this thread do not understand the manners of the civilised world like Somaliland who respect their dead and honour their living. Their barbarity are daily headline news around the world and foolishly they think the civilised Somalilanders share their despicable characteristics and values with them, hence their shock at our request for a decent burial of our fallen heroes.

This is ridiculous!! That money could be better spent on our needy people or on more productive ventures in Somaliland.

Youth are increasingly signing up for memberships at private gyms in Hargeisa, whose number has swelled like a bicep on a bodybuilder. The boom in local fitness centres is helping to create jobs, promote good health and lure youths towards positive activities, gym owners and local officials say. "Exercising is an entertaining alternative for young people that takes the place of substance abuse and engaging in organised crime," said Hamza Ali Jibril, owner of Golds Gym in Hargeisa. Abdinur Mohamed Arab, a 24-year-old resident of Hargeisa, said for the past five months he has worked out al-Khayr fitness centre, where he trains in self-defence techniques to protect himself against criminal gangs. "Since weapons are not allowed, I have been forced to learn how to defend myself and my property," he told Sabahi. "I have benefited by learning how to defend myself on my own against a group of attackers." Gyms promote good health and well-being, said Mustafa Mohamed Qodah, director general at Somaliland's Ministry of Youth and Sports. Fitness centres distract youth from drug abuse and taking part in gang-related crimes, he said. The majority of the gyms, however, are operating illegally. "Even though fitness centres have multiplied lately, only two of them are registered with the ministry," Qodah told Sabahi. "[Gyms] are required to register with the Sports Ministry to ensure that they are using appropriate equipment that will not harm users." Mushrooming gym scene One of the first local fitness centres was Bilkhair Gym. When it opened five years ago, its only competition was Horyaal fitness centre. "However, in the last two years, these kinds of centres have increased and there are now about fifty," said Abdiqani Jama Ali, an instructor at Bilkhair. "I can say that this is an opportunity for business, job creation and certainly for improving public health through sports," Ali told Sabahi. "Ninety-percent of these centres have been opened by young people we trained here." Bilkhair Gym now has about 500 members -- mainly young men and women who participate in fitness classes and weight training, but also older people who exercise to get in better shape, become healthy and ward off illnesses, Ali said. The centre offers memberships ranging from three to 10 months. The gym stays open 15 hours a day and charges a monthly fee of $11. The classes are segregated between the sexes, and women members are assigned a female instructor. Private fitness centres also have spread to other cities, such as Burao, Borama, Berbera and Gabiley. "Some [new gym owners] come to us for advice on how to open the business or instructions for classes," Ali said. Jibril, owner of Golds Gym, said he opened his centre "to provide the public with beneficial fitness services and to capitalise on a new business [concept] in the country". Although Jibril has so far not recouped the $20,000 he invested in equipment about 18 months ago, he said Golds Gym, which started with four members, now has 80 members who each pay $15 monthly for membership. "This [business] is better than other businesses because it is not dealing in goods that will expire or be damaged and you are not selling problematic goods," he said. http://sabahionline.com/en_GB/articles/hoa/articles/features/2013/03/25/feature-02

Xaaji Xunjuf;930553 wrote: I am not racists i have black friends ghanians south sudanese i love these people Kenyans Rwandans Zimbabweans i am just against oromo expansion in Somali territory nor do i hate oromos for them being oromo.I don't hate any race community or nationality i do dislike indians but there is no hate their either. ;) waar xaaji ma cadaan baad ismooday??

Black racists like XX, Haatu, Oba, Alpha, and Apo should know that the Oromos are indeed our cousins and will never disappear no matter how much you wish. However, we should take their continued expansion into Somali territories seriously and address it without resorting to vile insults and overt racism.

Waar Wyre, this is piracy saaxiib:D Anyway, thanks for sharing.

^ True

oba hiloowlow;930424 wrote: whats the purpose of this xaaji? Waar aamus oo daawo

Their weddings are certainly more entertaining and enjoyable than the weddings of other clans. If they invited me I would go in a heartbeat. Also the Somali Butus are some of the nicest people in Somalia.

Baashi;930503 wrote: With all due respect NORF, you are assumptions on the discussions are fundamentally wrong. You are assuming the discussion is bewteen two equals. Like two independant states, correct? Well if that is the case then I am sorry to say you are ill-informed my good friend. Awoowe the discussion is between Somali Federal Republic and a region of SFR wanting to secede. If you start from this point then you will understand the HUGE leverage SFR has over Somaliland. As it happens SFR controlls banking, borders, ports and even the air . Silanyo has to contend with business class who stand to lose millions. In couple of years this project will crash if you don't find a way to get out of the blid you are in boowe. Silanyo has to either find a willing power to help him turn the tide or succumb to the inevitable reality of being a region of sovereign and independant country called Somali Federal Republic. The crazy option the so called nuclear option is to go war in preventing SFR to govern the country. I know you are broke like me trying to make the ends meet but remember there are business class in that corner of the country who are rational and they will at the end lean on Silanyo and tell him to bargain hard with Mogadishu. If you own an airline company or shipping company or have telecommunication outfit or you are Dhiigshiil the last thing you want to do is a wave a falg no one recognized and isolate yourself to small market. War jiraaba Cakaaro iman! No they don't, where did you get that ludicrous idea?

Cajuusyo is qariya waligiin;)