Abtigiis;745431 wrote: Good Riddance, Professor Ace. Let the Jaahiluu pelt each other then. edited to Abtigiis;745431 wrote: Safe journey, Professor Ace. We will thoroughly miss your anthropological wisdom and impartiality. Quite comical. Abitgiis by the way you are most welcome in Hargeisa. All you have to do is put up with that eyesore of a plane. hehehe For the record, I truly like you. You are an honest man who says what many in here dare not.

The TFG has a golden opportunity to make a difference in Somalia Proper in the coming 12 Months. Inshallah they will make the most of it.

Abtigiis, Let’s not obfuscate the reality; this thread is about prosecution of Jaale Barre’s disciples, which you terms as “whining”. In any event, I’m of the school of thought that says “ Hawnaa Wa Idaa Khatabahumu Al Jaahiluuna Qaaluu Salaaman”. Keep up the good work. I will leave you to your craft.

Somalia Proper has its work cut out for it. Inshallah their salvation will come sooner rather than later.

Abtigiis, Talking about this clan and that clan in 2011 is a total waste of time. Let’s focus on the real reason you have decided to defecate so openly here on SOL; the anger from the prosecution of Judge Nur,Tuke, Samatar and the like. Mere words to show your indignation will not do, I’d advise you to put your money where your mouth is and bank role their defence. Scribbling on SOL will only give you temporary respite. While you are ranting and raving, Judge Nur has already been deported and Tuke is about to be deported a second time if that article Jacaylboro posted is truthful. Another thing, you shouldn’t really worry yourself with the destiny of Somaliland. Somaliland has elected officials, civil societies, community elders and legal institutions that responsibility rests with. So far they’ve done a remarkable job. I’m happy in 2011 Somaliland is in a better state than in 1961, 1971, 1981, and 1991. Allahu Akbar

Oodweyne, I was sure our friends Gabbal & Co. would not disappoint and would attempt to inform us what is behind this cult like behaviour. Unfortunately, as you predicted they retreated. The hype about the phantom achievement of Farmaajo has been dialled down. The euphoria gone as quickly as it came. I’m truly dismayed at the eerie feeling that this is fast becoming grounds hog day over and over again. Part of the problem that has made Somalia’s political turmoil intractable is the constant prescription of cosmetic makeovers. No one bothers to take the long road of reconciling villages, towns, cities, & regions. It is always a short cut crowning whoever the flavour of the month is of the times. Paying the salaries of government employees who control no territory, the only tool for reconciliation being AMISOM shelling, and a government structure that is not sustainable [read 550 mp] and you have to ask what is really going on here? In his short tenure, Farmaajo managed to piss of Puntland, had no in roads on Al-Shabab other than a few pockets of Mogadishu and no mechanism for fostering peace in Somalia. Until a time, yes Xiinfaniin, that Somalia is able to stand on its two feet, one should keep their feet firmly on the ground. It is not out to be monk to behave as such, but to avoid the unnecessary heart ache the constant disappointments invite. Time and time again, Somalis say they’re through with Somalia, until another “glimmer” of false hope and frenzy rushes in. Our very own Gabbal has done this many times over. The consolidation of Somaliland to have sovereignty over all its regional capitals is real, and it is also profound. Until such a time, that is looses ground, NGONGE will support whatever that is working. Somaliland has only expanded since inception, be it in terms of the territory it controls, to its political sophistication, to its holding of elections, to how peaceful it is, to focusing on good governance, to making the leap to provide free schooling for its primary grade students etc. I think it is high time we start using a bench mark before we get carried away. The vicious cycle must be ended and fast. Somalia cannot go on being ruled by UN Representatives. I say this not only because I wish Somalia well, but that it is also in Somaliland’s interest that Somalia gets it act together. We will forever be neighbours, forever have familial ties, and will undoubtedly be affected by each other’s misfortunes. It is high time the leadership in Somalia decide to do the hard labour necessary and be prepared to make the sacrifices it takes to make a difference. There is no free lunch. The glory will come after. To highlight this point, please listen to the BBC Falanqeynta Jimcaha program interviewing Axmed Mire & Ibrahim Dhagawayne on May 20th. They were able to bask in the sacrifices they’ve made decades ago, and that although they are not in the helm of power, their cause had born fruit. One remark was extremely poignant in a reply by Axmed Mire to Yusuf Garad’s probing of his feelings knowing he has sacrificed so much and has little to show for and is in fact unemployed? And Axmed replied it wasn’t about me, it was about justice for the nation and instilling democratic values that we fought for, that I am unemployed is irrelevant. History is indeed kind to those who mean what they say and fulfill their promises.

It is a legitimate question to ponder what has Farmaajo achieved in order to garner such support from the Diaspora and those inside Somalia. What was so special about this man? What does he represent? Is it hero worship run amok? Is it an imitation of the “Arab Spring”? I believe NGONGE is genuine when he opened this thread to find answers for this man’s sudden popularity. You have to know NGONGE to understand where he is coming from. He is a very logical, pragmatic and totally against reactions based on emotions. From day one his motto was “show me the money”. The fact that he waves the Somaliland flag is based more on Somaliland’s ability to succeed than Gabbal’s attempt to make this about clan. It is usually big achievements that sway NGONE one way or the other. For instance, it was only when Somaliland secured the capital of Sool that he raised the flag. In his view, Somaliland’s ability to control all the capitals of its six provinces/states/regions meant that it had for the first time tangible, real and credible claims to sovereignty. The years of toiling to work out a bicameral parliament, the constitution, the efforts put into nation building where of naught, unless it exercised real authority over the territory this new Republic claimed. Understanding this clearly, would be of use to those who are supporters of Farmaajo in order to explain their emotionally charged reactions to his departure. So far, we’ve only gotten that Farmaajo in the first six months has done two things; he picked a competent cabinet and paid government employees on time. If he was the President of Somaliland, and he had made such decisions, he would be applauded just as Silanyo has been for picking a qualified cabinet and bringing back accountability. The problem is Farmaajo is not the President of Somaliland. He is the Prime Minister of Somalia. This means, he needs to accomplish more and at the very least have a plan spelling out how to reconstitute Somalia. Unlike Somaliland where Silanyo took over a functioning government, Farmaajo took over a government that controlled very little of Somalia, let alone all of Mogadishu. The litmus test, for any hero of Somalia is his/her ability to bring peace to Somalia. This is what the ICU appeared to have brought, before they prematurely disintegrated. Unlike Farmaajo, the ICU actually controlled a large territory of Somalia, with a plan, albeit not a successful one in bringing peace to Somalia. There was euphoria and it wasn’t the kind that was expectant as Gabbal stresses, but it was based on their ability to govern an ever expanding area. It even had the ability to sway a few people as far as Hargeisa to come join its ranks. What NGONGE, NORF, Odweyne and I included fail to see is what makes Farmaajo different than what we have witnessed in the past? We’ve seen a lot of ululating in Somalia, but very little substance behind it. We’ve seen the Arta powwow in Djibouti, the Imbigathi rodeo in Kenya, and the countless conferences each one described as the last great hope. It appears that Somalis from Somalia either do not care to do some calculus to take stock of events, or as NGONGE put it have a very short memory. Let’s be honest, and understand that although Farmaajo & his cabinet may have been marginally better than the last, in the grand scheme of things, very little has changed. Somalia is still divided; it still has foreign troops protecting its government, and there is no real attempt at reconciliation. Maybe it’s time, Somalis hedge their bets like NGONGE and only give tacit support initially and never give their full support unless they see some results. For instance, for all that praise Farmaajo received and his promise to not resign, he folded under pressure, delivering yet another disappointment for the masses in Somalia. In fact, if there ever was a reason for one to “candhuutiisa dib u liqo”, it was when he cut and ran to save his hide. Real heroes put their life on the line for what they believe in. This unfortunately was not what Farmaajo did. That in short I’m afraid is the measure of the man.

The premise that Somalia have a government constructed from within rather than in some foreign capital is a something worth supporting. Unfortunately, this new party is following the same footsteps from previous so called parties that have went no where fast. For one, there is no space for political parties in Somalia unless we're going to the bad old days of one party state of the SYL. Second, we've seen diaspora members have a political party before. The likes of SSUP & Demoractic Somalia Party and the countlesss others seem to be putting the cart before the horse. You can't have political parties unless you have put a system of government in place. Last it appears waloweyn don't learn their lessons very well, Abdi Ismail Samatar and Cisman Jama Kaluun do not represent any one but themselves and their inclusion will only make the return of Somalia from a failed state that much more difficult.

First and foremost I would like to stress that peace is a valuable commodity in the Somali Peninsula. We have all seen what war is like, and I would hope none of us wish for it to occur. Second I would like to remind everyone “af xumo nabadna way kaa kaxaysaa colaadna waxba kaagama tarto”. Many people have tried to distort the real issues at hand. Frankly speaking, the SSC project is not about fighting oppression, nor is it about liberty, or freedom. It is about causing anarchy and reigniting the civil war that has stopped in Somaliland in 1991. It is quite simple really if you are not looking things through a clanish prism. The reason is Somaliland is a democratic state, which gives every region the freedom to thrive and prosper. Somaliland is not a dictatorship. It is not a police state. It is a state that affords its citizens the right to seek the highest political office and go about their business without fear or favour. Contrast this utopian polity in Somali standards to the alternative? The alternative is quite clear; it is to cause a civil war much like what is going on in Somalia. This neither fosters Somali Unity, nor does it help much less in attaining it. All it does is further fragmenting and causing unrest in the Somali Peninsula. SSC’s position is rather reckless and not well thought out. Somaliland did not come out of thin air. If Somaliland was not declared in 1991, I believe we would have witnessed the same melee that took place and continues to take place in Somalia. The glue that binds everyone to respect the peace is the nationhood of Somaliland. If we were to dismantle it, we’d be back to square one. No development, no peace and definitely no future for any parties concerned. This latest skirmish started from dams being built in Kalshaale. Two neighbouring sub clans who live side by side had a dispute and went on the offensive. This was unfortunate; however, true to the ideals of Somaliland principles of resolving conflict by peaceful means mediation was immediately innitiated. Somaliland’s armed forces were sent to keep the peace while the deliberation was going on and a final resolution can be reached. The judgement was not palatable for one of the parties and there was talk of an appeal. At this moment the SSC group tried to change the tone of situation from a sub clan squabble over a watering hole and into a civil war within Somaliland. SSC agrees that they are the ones on the offensive, but say in the same breath they’re on the defensive because the Somaliland armed forces are in their territory. They conveniently forget the reason why Somaliland’s armed forces were stationed there in the first place was to stop sub clan skirmishes from getting out of control and keeping the peace. The fact that Somaliland’s president called for peace & his willingness for dialogue on more than four occasions, while SSC group have declined attests to who really wants peace. Somaliland knows that it is easy to cause war but it is harder to regain the peace. It has gone through civil war before in the early 90’s and understands force is not an option. We have learnt our lessons and Somaliland will not and does not want to invade any city. Contrary to the myth that Somaliland is poised to enter Buhoodle through the use of force, its aim is to reach its borders peacefully. Every step in how Somaliland was made was through consensus. It has gone from consolidating its sovereignty in the west and has been inching east ward ever since. When LA was liberated the clashes did not take more than 10 minutes and the dead were not more than a dozen. Somaliland’s armed forces waited 3 years on the outskirts of LA before the people of LA realized their interest lie more with Somaliland than anywhere else. In the same token, there will be no conquering of Buhodle or any other city that is outside of Somaliland’s authority. It is wiser for the local population to decide for themselves. Case in point the recent infrastructure investments in Dhahar that yielded pro Somaliland demonstrations. Somaliland is a viable and functioning country. Its existence has been a boon for Somaliland’s citizens and those from Somalia as well. Much like Djibouti, another safe and secure country where Somalis can seek refuge is in every one’s interest. To declare war when there is no pretext, no subjugation, no humiliation, no dictatorship is nothing short of irresponsible. People can have differences but they resolve them at the negotiation table. This SSC saga will come and go much like tomorrow will come and go. I am confident that Somaliland will not be drawn into a civil war. I hope and pray that we can all see that the civil war SSC is attempting to ignite is not in the interest of Somaliland, nor is it for the residents of Buhodle, neither is it for those who preach Pan-Somalism. P.S. Salaamz Valanteenah long time no see @----,---------------

Thankful, you seem like you enjoy chasing your own tail. LOL Waa sidee. WAX FAHAN as NGONGE wouls say. Its pure & simple. I hope you understand SOMALI. DHIDIR XABAALO QODAY QUDHUN BUU UGA DHAADHACAA. LOL All I"m saying is let Barre rest, he doesn't need any more publicity. He's infamous already. Barre, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, LOL you get the picture. What good can come out of discussing this man other than regurgitating on the screen?

This old man is a comedian. He should be doing stand up. One thing I agree on, there's nothing federal/national/central about the TFG.

EID MUBARAK KULU 3AAM WA ANTUM BI KHEYR

Originally posted by NASSIR: Ace, as Zack said, we can't forget abt the flaws and achievements of our past national leaders. Their triumphs and struggles. His past achievements nevertheless outweighs his erstwhile flaws. He has been dearly missed. (RIP). I know you miss him. However, he aint here. LOL Wake up and smell the coffee no need to lament. Move on.

Originally posted by Maaddeey: Ace, in your opinion there's nothing in between to sing along GUULWADOOW SIYAAD & to discredit all he did, his nationalistic attribute?. Maaddeey a) I thought Al-Shabab was against nationalism. b) If Barre is a nationalist LOL then no wonder we share a different CITIZENSHIP. A nation that hails Barre a nationalist is wondering why there is so much chaos & trauma. ILAAHOW HAA IYO MAYA HANAGA WADA YEEDHSIIN In One Hand you are waving the Blue Flag and in the Other you got the Black ONE. You can't serve two masters bro.

Originally posted by Thankful: Ace, why forget? I agree that people's opinion on Siad vary, but many countries continuously refer back to their past leaders...in the U.S look at Lincoln, Kennedy and others. Other countries don't forget about their past leaders, I don’t see why we have to. [/QB] LOL You're comparing what Barre did for Somalia and What Lincoln & Kennedy did for USA? LOL Are you serious? My point is, there's no need to beat a dead horse. Barre was last century. Lets get with the times. I don't see any one in Germany discussing how efficient the german riech was LOL in the present day. Most Germans would love to move on from that dark chapter in their history. I'd assume free thinking Somalis would want to move on and look forward instead of the ugly past and try to find some solace. Unless of course we want to be like GOLAHA SACABKA. Basically my point is, Barre is dead. Let him rest. He's at the mercy of his Creator ALLAH SWT.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ Adigu na secessionist ayaay kaga dagtay and you missed the queer situation of a Shababi supporter praising the former president of Somalia. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL NGONGE...waxa ka dhiman uun WAX FAHAN

Originally posted by The Zack: ^What did u expect from a bitter secessionist? I am just saying. LOL I'm bitter yet I'm the one saying lets leave this old man to rest. LOL Parading around in that Green Uniform for the so called victory Pinoneers LOL is out dated. I'm just saying.

Originally posted by Maaddeey: Ace, its gone waa run lakin the man did a lot. Intaas miyaa ku dhibeysa?. Shalyna adoo sayidka ka canaanyoonayaan ku arkaayey. Maaddeey, lets be real bro. Barre's legacy is dark. There's no need to shed light on it. Let the man rest I say. People need to move on, always looking back will have you in a time warp. There's nothing more amusing than the slogans of yesterday still being chanted "GUUL WADOW SIYAAD AABIHII..." Qofba siduu u yaqaan heesta ha u dhamaystiro. LOL

Originally posted by NASSIR: ^Barre made Somali history and his legacy lives forever. And the fact that he built the economic engine of other regions and not of his own region only shall continue to burnish his legacy as a national leader or hero. Btw, I'm not not from Gedo saxib. The funny thing is you actually believe this stuff. Its quite comical. Nothing worse than "saambuuse laga eedaamay". I could careless which region you're from. What I do know is the days of clapping for Kacaan are long gone. You might want to get a new card, the Xisbiga Hantiwadaaga Soomaliyeed is no more. This is sincere Nasteeha advice.

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: Ina Godane wax bi'i isma lahayne'e siday ka noqotay, marka ruuxa ay xammaasadi dhex marto, oo ficil iyo rag iska celi uu jajuub u galo wuxuu kusoo baxaa sida Ina Godane, Mukhtaar Roobow iyo ragga la jaalka kusoo baxeen: rag fitnaysan oo badweyn dhiig ah dhex dabaalanayya Faraskii Sayidkow, haday Godane, Mukhtaar Roobow iyo ragga la jaalka ah dhiig dhex dabaalanayaan tolow Sayidku muxuu kaga duwan yahay?

Originally posted by NASSIR: Thanks to President Mohamed Siyad Barre for building roads and sea ports in Berbera and Bosaso. SL and PL are relatively in advantageous position because the residents of the said regions and their core leaders simply inherited the economic infrastructure left in tact by the last legitimate Government of Somalia and late Mohamed Siyad Barre, the last national leader Somalis had. Why do you need to dig Siyad Barre from the grave? LOL Have people nothing else to soothe their low self esteem? Siad Barre died 15 year ago. You no longer get anything for clapping for Kacaan. lol You missed out on the free lunch. Tough luck bro.

Unreliable sources indicate that Somaliland elections did not happen. In fact, Riyale and Silanyo were not competing but are actually in a plot to hoodwink the good citizens of Somaliland. It is said, they are best of friends and have been sharing the spoils of the state, and will continue to do so. Unconfirmed reports also mention that Silanyo will be crowned the KING of Somalis in East Africa. This kingdom is another way of uniting Somaliland & Somalia through the backdoor with the coronation of Silanyo.

Inshallah Mogadishu will find peace. What will not happen is to find a way to redeem Siad Barre. He has already departed this earth and his deeds are all well known. Let this old man rest.

Bashir is entitled to his opinion. However, I doubt there is any country in the world that has a party that wants to dismantle it from within. He is quite right when he says it is a ludicrous idea. Even if were to entertain this absurdity, a unionist party would only be allowed to function inside Somaliland. It would still be treasonous for individuals or groups or political parties to take part and represent Somaliland in international arenas/conferences, especially when they claim they represent Somaliland and take part in a hostile government such as Somalia. Until Somaliland people wish to unite with Somalia, taking part in a government in Mogadishu is treasonous; period.

Odweyne & JB leave Safferz alone. She does have a point. In 1960 Somaliland had very little education facilities safe for Camuud & Sheikh. These two institutions were on par with the likes of elite schools in Singapore. However, very few were educated through its halls. Now if you look at the period between 1960 to 1991, there were a lot more schools built. People were taught to read and write with the national campaign of `learn or teach`. Nevertheless, I guess it comes down to quantity vs quality. During the period of 1960 to 1991, Camuud & Sheikh were reduced to has been run of the mill secondary schools. If you don`t recall most of the fighting forces of the SNM were the youth who had no stomach to be taught `Kacaan` of all things instead of having equipped laboratories. Now if you look at the educational model of Somaliland, although the calibre of the institutions have a more rigorous academic credentials, the question is how many can afford the fee, compared to the free education of the past.