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Somali girl rebels against Hijab, throws it in the snow

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Safferz;989160 wrote:
we're speaking from two completely different vantage points. I'm not making a religious argument and I'm not interested in making one,

Precisely, Ms. Saff. This is the essence of orientalist arrogance. To look at the native, quantify her, and pity her. And then to engage in a discourse entirely alien to the native in order to fashion and dictate a new mode of living until she becomes just as the oriental imagined she should be.

 

We address matters of religion and problems of the religious society in the realm of religion, in its rightful context. Replete with historical and cultural understanding.

 

Join our discourse. We can address the problem in our own terms.

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Safferz   

^^ nice misreading of Edward Said, have to say that's the first time I've seen orientalism deployed to shut down critique of practices in the Muslim world framed in the way I have in this thread, which are actually in the Saidian spirit. Consider re-reading it as it should be read, as an analysis of power, domination and hegemony, not the ahistorical, apologist manifesto in defense of the actions and practices of Muslims in the Muslim world you seem to think it is.

 

Cheers.

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Khayr   

Futurenow,

 

You described the arrogance of the champions of liberal modern thinking. Meaning that they feel

an "intellectual" right is given to

them to frame the question, define the problem when they are part and parcel of the problem

and dictate to the rest what the "only" valid options are that are available for developing a solution.

 

Saff wants to define the problem

(muslims being forced to follow any part of Islam) and the options

for resolution (re-education and re-examination of classical islamic thought because classical islamic thought is too regressive and sexist) and to give us a solution

(make your own personal choices so long as she and her dominant imperialistic worlview can accept those choices).

 

You can't define racism or xenophobia for us when you are part of and in suppport of the privileged group and all the perks that come with it e.g. 5 star vacations in Ecuador when the majority there don't make more than your hourly min. per hour wage in a day.

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Khayr;989183 wrote:
5 star vacations in Ecuador when the majority there don't make more than your hourly min. per hour wage in a day.

Solution = issue a fatwa condemning them to hell-fire for eternity.

 

the gallo folks have it easier here, in this life. we are waiting for our privileges in the hereafter. people of the global south, our time will come.

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thefuturenow;989162 wrote:
To look at the native, quantify her, and pity her. And then to engage in a discourse entirely alien to the native in order to fashion and dictate a new mode of living until she becomes just as the oriental imagined she
should
be .

that's epic.

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i will accept somali girl to wear their traditional nomadic way with little bit make up that will be nice.. not arabic style nor european style just somali way. .;)

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Jacpher   

Marksman;989189 wrote:
Let's ask a simple question. Would you accept some Somali women in a future Somalia to not wear a hijab? Yes or no.

As if that's up to few nomads on an internet forum.

 

Burahadeer: Waryee there are plenty more Islamic laws Iran and Saudia don't implement. Does that imply they ain't no Muslims too? Doing something or not doing it is one thing, and the written Islamic law is another. You seem to be confusing the two. Niqab not being practiced in Somalia in the eighties, or Iran or Saudia enforcing it, or oppressing the rights of women or honor killing in other countries, has little to do with the laws of Islam.

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Marksman   

spartacus;989191 wrote:
i will accept somali girl to wear their traditional nomadic way with little bit make up that will be nice.. not arabic style nor european style just somali way. .
;)

This was back in the days. Looking great and cultural as well. People seemed very comfortable with their choices, cultural and religious expression. (not only based on the pic btw)

 

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Hawdian   

Marksman;989189 wrote:
Let's ask a simple question. Would you accept some Somali women in a future Somalia to not wear a hijab? Yes or no.

Horta adigu gorma suyal saxa dad ka weeydineysa . Suashada waa khalad ee isasax oo isku noqo. Ma iss fahamney ?

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Marksman;989195 wrote:
This was back in the days. Looking great and cultural as well. People seemed very comfortable with their choices, cultural and religious expression. (not only based on the pic btw)

 

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that's what I'm talking man. it's unique well defined the dress is fit with their body structure skinny tall, now we have a lot of fat faarax and obese xalimos, people back in the days were hardworking!

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Marksman;989195 wrote:
This was back in the days. Looking great and cultural as well. People seemed very comfortable with their choices, cultural and religious expression. (not only based on the pic btw)

 

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these folks are from Tamil Nadu. naga ciyaarta.

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Safferz;989165 wrote:
Consider re-reading it as it
should
be read

I will let Khayr explain.

 

Khayr;989183 wrote:
they feel an "intellectual" right is given to

them to frame the question, define the problem when they are part and parcel of the problem

and dictate to the rest what the "
only
" valid options are that are available for developing a solution.

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Marksman;989195 wrote:
This was back in the days. Looking great and cultural as well. People seemed very comfortable with their choices, cultural and religious expression. (not only based on the pic btw)

 

tumblr_mw1wssD5Gc1shotbuo1_1280.jpg

 

 

 

Leave it to the African to post pictures of himself in a loincloth, saying "LOOK HOW GREAT WE USED TO BE."

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