An Advice to Galmudug and Puntland: Merge.

[Qandalawi]

Adeer miyaad iska hadlaynaa mase runtaan isu sheegnaa, Galmudug admin although I support and like it, they do not control anywhere outside of Baraxley, that's the reality. Hobyo is a deserted town in which regular sub-clan rivalry and conflict happens, Cabaado has a different admin called Xeeb iyo Heeman and most of south mudug is controled by Ahlul Sunna wal-feast.

 

Stop the pretences please and let us be realistic for once, smell the coffee.

 

Sakhar, Xiin is a respected elder but shy's away to tell the truth to others sometimes specially when it comes to Puntland, he likes to appease in order to take the high morale ground which I respect, but that is not how Somalis work. He was forgetting the Somali rule of the jungle: Kuqabso kuqadimaysidee when he proposed this inequal settlement.

[Hassan6734]

Galmudug has only been around for just 2 years, yet it has already begun to make a huge mark.

I really laugh at the haters who keep stating that Galmudug is just south Galkayo.

Walahi they are such sad haters, i mean how's cheap propanganda going to damage galmudug, lol.

Galmudug has much wider and stronger support in other parts of Mudug than south Galkayo. That is the reality.

Look at the huge land mass that Galmudug alone controls, walahi its massive

Inshallah it will continue to get stronger and stronger.

This is area that is fully under the control of Galmudug state

Haters can hate, but thats all they can do, lol

[General Duke]

It's a fact that Galmudug does not control Hobyo or Xaradheere and that it is claims will not work on hese regions without th consent of the well armed and numerous clan of Cadaado & Guriceel. This the problem with this whole argument, how can a sub clan claim to be a state? It's like the clan of Goldogob or North Mudug claiming to be a state. Ludicrous really and those who think this is a good idea, will get no where.

[The Zack]

^Every region in Somalia is a sub-clan so stop the non-sense here. Even if Galmudug controls south Galkacayo why is it a bad idea for south Galkacayo to unite with north Galkacayo? Wouldn't that help the city's stability?

[Hassan6734]

Originally posted by General Duke:

It's a fact that Galmudug does not control Hobyo or Xaradheere and that it is claims will not work on hese regions without th consent of the well armed and numerous clan of Cadaado & Guriceel. This the problem with this whole argument, how can a sub clan claim to be a state? It's like the clan of Goldogob or North Mudug claiming to be a state. Ludicrous really and those who think this is a good idea, will get no where.

Its also a fact that puntland does not control the port of eyl which is a strong pirate den, loool

Keep hating on us, cos all you'll get is a bloody nose, looooooool

[Fiqikhayre]

KKL adeer you have to know when someone is fighting you with an ideology of their's whilst you don't have anything to counter against it no one here doubts about the akhyaarnimo of our residential elder xiinfaniin but what we're against is his intellectual fraud and faux's his committing by expressing such fallacious idea's like this one at hand currently, that is a non-starter or issue even to debate about.

 

Look, this man is against the system or ideology of federalism that Puntland so much strives for to make the only system by which Somalia is governed by so atleast what he wants is if he can't attain a centralised view of Somalia than at least to kill the spirit of it already by making it less rooted and that is to incorporate different sets of people into making up different federal states within Somalia, that is^^^ where the fallacy of his lies on and the pattern of fault in his arguments.

 

Look, Somalia as it is now is deeply split along clan lines and respected families who have all different interests so that's why federalism will be adopted to make it the most flexible governing system of Somalia, the only one which can work in a united future Federal Republic of Somalia.

 

As I said there is deep mistrust and the only way of overcoming such is that people who have a common interest, lineage and understanding coming together in establishing their own version of federal States within a future Republic of Somalia.

 

This States then will as time permits negotiate with any Federal Government to how they could join the Union of States that will eventually make up a future Somalia, separately.

 

Each State will then have it's own demands in joining a Federal Republic of Somalia and that is what will be addressed and at the end of this all the States will be singing an act of Union thus allowing them to join a Union of Somalia States within a Federal Republic of Somalia.

 

For example prior in joining such Union the people of Bay, Bakool and the Lower Shabelle regions who will be a founding State of such Federal Somalia might negotiate that the Af-Maymay will be acknowledged by the Federal Government and that each legal documents will have a copy in that dialect/language and that in a future state owned TV there will be slots given to them so in order to guarantee their Culture and language will be protected as being viewed as inferior to that of Somalia.

 

Furthermore they might argue that x ministries be located in their State etc.

 

Similarly the people of Hargeisa and Somaliland might argue for order for them to join such a Federal Union of States of Somalia that it want's x ministries in Hargeisa and that certain embassies be based in their State.

 

They might as well say we want to set the trends of the country and thus want to be made the Entertainment State of the Country, which most of the entertainment industry will be based in.

 

Puntland might say in those negotiations that it wants a symbolic gesture as the first Federal State and that in a future constitution Puntland's role will be enshrined so that every kid around the country knows about the History and the Struggle Puntland went through in ensuring federalism to take root in Somalia.

 

They might as well argue for the Constitutional matters that a future body or department regarding constitutional matters be placed in Puntland State as it was the launch pad for the model which Somalia will be governed with in the future inshallaah and to ensure federalism will thrive and won't get lost.

 

Such will prevent the country from disintegrating as it did in 1991 and will hence ensure that we will at least not all perish when the central state collapses.

 

So for this to happen it needs trust and that's where the formation of federal states come into it in a future negotiation the people of Baraxley will be with their brethren in the south.

 

We will not be able to serve the interests of this community as we have different interests and needs but I am sure that the people of Caabudwaaq, Balanbale and western galgaduud will join Puntland not so a long a distant ago as they were invited in 1998 but due to misconceptions declined which was that communities biggest mistake which they even today regrett but this will be changed inshallaah.

 

So a future Puntland State will thus ensure the rights and needs of Western Galgadud, Goldogob, Garoowe, Mudug, Laascaanood, Sool, Nugaal, Bari and Sanaag as they have a common interest and understanding and most of all a common Trust and understanding between them which doesn't exist between other communities based on common heritage and lineage.

 

This trust doesn't exist with Galmudug folks nor with any other grouping so we would be infringing on their rights which they wouldn't allow anyway as they would not join a Puntland State ahead of a State of their own communities they share that common trust, interest, blood and outlook with.

 

In short everyone will be staying at where their best interest lies upon and where it will be best served and delivered.

 

So this is what Puntland envisions and it is up for the rest of Somalia to work towards such similar goals in order to make a Federal Somalia a reality and a merging of Federal States into a Union such as the UAE, Germany and Canada have done and for each State to negotiate the best possible outcome and deal for them to ensure that they will not be left out and to prevent future conflict.

 

With federalism Somalia will find peace with it self inshallah again and it is the only solution and governing form for us and for that we will work to see it adopted in all regions of what was formerly known as the Republic of Somalia.

[Mr. Somalia]

^^

Sakhar_khair,

 

Good analysis...I endorse your post.

[General Duke]

Zack, adeer you dont understand the whole point here.

 

Galmudug is a single sub clan that claims South Mudug. Thus how does joining a state with many united Sub clans help their cause?

 

They would be marginal. As for south Galkacyu, an arrangement could be made to bring the city under a joing security of the communities. Thats something we can work on. Pushing a non existent political merger would only make things worse, specially for the Galmudug folks.

[General Duke]

Hassan: adeer, Eyl is a district of Garowe, and comes under the control of the state. The pirates are a criminal enterprise and not a clan one.

 

In Hobyo, Guriceel, Cadaado and even Galinsoor, you have sub clans with arms who do not recognise nor even nogotiated with Galmudug. Thus what is your point?

[xiinfaniin]

In my absence, it appears, SOL scripts have been working overtime.

 

No matter.

 

The only objection thus far thrown against this proposal is iyagu waa reer hebel, anaguna reer hebel baan nahay, marka yaan wax layskugu kaayya darin . Sakhar, the SOL script, KKL, the little sidekick, and the rest of the clannish goons, made their wishes clear, and that is Puntland shall remain a one-clan entity in its political construct. They are afraid of the future, playing familiar clannish guitar nodes. To be sure, there is no shame in being one clan entity, and it has thus far worked for Puntland. Lascaanooed, however, showed that tribal allegiance does not always work. And in Galkacyo, the two admins have no choice it seems when it comes to the reality of Galkacyo being a shared city. We therefore call both communities to look beyond current clannish landscape.

 

The size of Galmudug admin, and its capacity are matters that need to be discussed at one point before a union is agreed to. For both sides to arrive an equitable political merge, those issues must be dealt. But we first need to begin the initiative and massage the egos of both groups for the eventual merge.

 

 

The only thing getting in the way of this eventual union is clannish perceptions that the interests of both communities are incompatible. And that, ya Jammacah, is a fallacy in the first order. In fact the only thing missing in terms of integration between the residents of Galkacyo is a political merge. They even use the same market, making it problematic for tax collection for PL admin whose jurisdiction the Galkacyo Bazaar falls. The city has one airport, whose control rests with Puntland admin. And these are clear manifestations of political barriers. We need to break them for the city will be better for it.

[ElPunto]

^Adeer - you are wrong. The only objection is not they are rer hebel or not. You are making a red herring to score a political point. The objections have been noted and if you want a recap, here they are:

 

1- There is no grassroots basis for a political union - the people have to want it - the elders have to show interest and negotiate for it

2- The 2 regions are not of the same political thinking - one is firmly federalist and wants to manage itself and the other is still trying to get off the ground but looks to Mogadishu for political direction

3- One has little capacity and ability to project itself and indeed little grassroots backing while the other has advanced in those areas

 

Capacity and size are not matters for discussion when you propose a merger. They are a reality that you acknowledge before a proposed merger and take into account. Additionally - a merger implies a meeting of equals more or less. In the business world - there are other terms that would be more appropriate to what you are suggesting. A takeover, an acquisition etc. BUT...

 

At the end of the day - folks have to want to be part of a political entity and the folks in the political entity they are joining must desire a union.

 

One last point - why do you need to merge regions if the problem is Gslkacyo security? Surely there are other ways of addressing that without proposing this. It seems you have a big blindspot here.

[Mr. Somalia]

^^

Keeping Galkacyo one city is very different from politically merging Puntland with Galmudug-- And it is also much easier. It's very apparent that Puntland is barely getting on it's own feet, whilst the Galmudug authorities haven't yet to even secure their right to govern the territory and people's it claims.

 

Now the whole purpose of the federal system that we are promoting is that when states like Galmudug and others eventually get their acts together, then ONLY will it be possible to "merge" the different Somali states politically, under one united SOMALIA federal republic. In the meantime, each and everyone of us must work towards developing the political, economic and social infrastructure necessary to make this possible in the near future, insha Allah.

[General Duke]

Capacity and size are not matters for discussion when you propose a merger. They are a reality that you acknowledge before a proposed merger and take into account. Additionally - a merger implies a meeting of equals more or less. In the business world - there are other terms that would be more appropriate to what you are suggesting. A takeover, an acquisition etc. BUT...

 

At the end of the day - folks have to want to be part of a political entity and the folks in the political entity they are joining must desire a union.

 

One last point - why do you need to merge regions if the problem is Gslkacyo security? Surely there are other ways of addressing that without proposing this. It seems you have a big blindspot here.

 

Could not have said it better. What is merging?

 

Now the whole purpose of the federal system that we want to promote is that when states like Galmudug and others eventually get their acts together, then it is very possible we can all "merge" the different Somali states politically under one united SOMALIA. In the meantime, each and everyone of us must work towards developing the political, economic and social infrastructure necessary to make this possible in the near future, insha Allah.

 

Indeed, kills the whole thing..

[xiinfaniin]

ElPunto,

 

1- There is no grassroots basis for a political union - the people have to want it - the elders have to show interest and negotiate for it

 

How do you know that the Galkacyo residents would object if both admins merge? Because of their clans, and the perceived clannish interest of both communities?

 

2- The 2 regions are not of the same political thinking - one is firmly federalist and wants to manage itself and the other is still trying to get off the ground but looks to Mogadishu for political direction

 

And you know this how, adeer? Did Galmudug say so? Or do they truly think themselves another federal state?

 

 

3- One has little capacity and ability to project itself and indeed little grassroots backing while the other has advanced in those areas

 

So you want Galmudug to be on par with Puntland before a merge can be entertained? I think you are missing the whole point of what we are proposing. You are focusing on a political image, while we are trying to solve a real problem that has been reoccurring, causing the lives of many residents in Galkacyo. Two admins cannot share a city adeer. And you cannot wish an entire community to go away and look for Xamar for political guidance while it’s clear that they live there and want to erect institutions however humble the beginning may seem to you. It’s true that the two states are not the same when it comes to most measurements of political power, but that is not the point awoowe.

 

 

why do you need to merge regions if the problem is Gslkacyo security

 

I have no preference on this aspect of the merge really. I am afraid though those who call themselves Galmudug would not be comfortable being called Baraxley admin. Find a creative way to overcome that, and I will be on board.

 

Also the notion that a political merger between PL and GM will under mine Puntland’s federalist aspirations is another fallacy just like the perceived tribal interests between two communities are fallacies. If anything a merger will produce a more diverse, geographically vast state, with hard to rival political leverage on the shape of future federal state. It will be a win-win for both.

 

Its feasibility is what needs to be discussed for its outcome, if it comes to fruition, will be truly a game changer.

[ElPunto]

Xiin,

 

1. It's not about either side objecting. It's about both sides wanting it especially Galmudug. You have a very odd metric to forming a political union. If both sides don't raise a big ruckus than that is tantamount to agreement. I don't think that makes any sense. And it's not about what Galkacyo residents want or not - you are proposing a whole region join - it means it matters what Alula, Dhahar and Buuhoodle think too. Or you just wanna bypass all that?

 

2. Adeer neither you nor I are in Somalia doing polling data so we both have to arrive at judgements using our intelligence and our knowledge. There is no entity in Somalia that has managed to create a political apparatus that looks inward and tries to accomplish the responsiblities of a state apart from Puntland and Somaliland(and Somaliland is not in discussion since they have chosen to remain apart from the rest). Thus you come to the conclusion that the rest of Somalis in Galmudug and other parts of the south are still looking to Mogadishu for direction. Otherwise they would have done something already. Additionally Galmudug still lacks the minimum requirements to be actually considered a federal state. They are MIA. With what would you have Puntland merge?

 

3. For a merger to be entertained both sides have to see benefit in it and to want it. And that is not about political image. Two administrations can share a city adeer. A level of cooperation and goodwill is needed to do so though. Nor am I wishing an entire community away. Don't know how you came to that conclusion.

 

Ultimately I'm telling you to focus on the problem at hand - Galkacyo security. And to propose solutions that address that specific problem rather than coming up with far-fetched plans that do little to address the fundamental issue. And that bear no connection to the political and social realities of Somalia today.