Stories of The Sahabah: Fear Of Allah

[Mutakalim]

In spades redoubled, Viking, I could not have said it any better myself.

[Salafi_Online]

They issued a fatwa some years back that makes the Hajj only a spiritual journey (killing off the social role the hajj has always had throughout histoy).

brother Viking can you give more detail please, am interested on how they killed off the social role of Hajj! Baarakallahu feek

 

are Sunnis and Shi'a who practise intercession

can you name those Sunnies who practise intercession and their reasons as to why they practise it? Keep in mind the following!

 

"Verily you cannot make the dead hear " [surah an-Naml 27:80]

 

Ibn Mas'ud reported that the Prophet (saws) said: "Allah has angels who travel about the earth; they [do and will] convey to me the peace greeting from my ummah." [Authentically reported by Abu Dawud]

 

This hadith clarifies that the Prophet (saws) does not hear the greetings of peace from Muslims when they pronounce it upon him, for if he could hear it directly, there would be no need of angels to convey it to him. Therefore, it follows that the Prophet (saws) cannot hear other forms of conversation directed to him either!

[Salafi_Online]

When Saddam invaded Kuwait, the saudi Ulama made the decision to invite Americans on to our holy lands and fight a fellow Muslim

Brother can i have refer as to where all the Saudi Ulaa made this decision. it is a well known fact that some of the Ulam opposed the invasion, Albani being one of them, even though he is not a saudi Scholar! Uthaymin and others!

 

brother as for, Saadam what is the speech of the scholar concerning his belief? how do you know he is a muslim? doesnt he belong to the atheist ba'ath party?

 

 

third, this holy land you speak of is that All of saudiyah or just mecca and medinah? if say the latter, then brother can you please give me reference to when and where in mecca and medinah the Americans were situated?

 

fourth is it permisable to have a threaty with the kafir or not? Did the messenger of allah have threat with the kufar?

[sahal]

third, this holy land you speak of is that All of saudiyah or just mecca and medinah? if say the latter, then brother can you please give me reference to when and where in mecca and medinah the Americans were situated?

 

fourth is it permisable to have a threaty with the kafir or not? Did the messenger of allah have threat with the kufar?

All this is to defend a wrong Fatwa, why don't you say ot's simple wrong Fatwa just like other Uluma's sometimes do or Saudi Uluma are always right?

[Viking]

Salafi_Online,

The grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia made Hajj only a spiritual journey and banned any political aspect to it. Do some research sxb.

 

can you name those Sunnies who practise intercession and their reasons as to why they practise it? Keep in mind the following!

Sufis do, as to why they do it, you should ask a Sufi.

 

Brother can i have refer as to where all the Saudi Ulaa made this decision. it is a well known fact that some of the Ulam opposed the invasion, Albani being one of them, even though he is not a saudi Scholar! Uthaymin and others!

Over 300 scholars were summoned to debate the issue and in the end ibn Baz issued a fatwa, the rest is history. I don't know which ones were for and against, but the majority of them had to have agreed to it to pass.

 

 

brother as for, Saadam what is the speech of the scholar concerning his belief? how do you know he is a muslim? doesnt he belong to the atheist ba'ath party?

How do you know Hosni Mubarak, King Abdullah, Hafez al Asad etc are Muslims? They are all secular leaders just like Saddam was. We can question everyone's faith sxb, but that is a dangerous thing to do. We could call the Saudi monarchy infidels for letting the americans suck the Saudi waelth for decades, we could brand the sheikhs heretics for inviting infidels etc etc. But suhannaAllah, we have to be careful because we are not the judge of that, Allah SWT is.

 

 

third, this holy land you speak of is that All of saudiyah or just mecca and medinah? if say the latter, then brother can you please give me reference to when and where in mecca and medinah the Americans were situated?

Don't get smart with me mate. Are you trying to justify the presence of the americans because they weren't stationed in Mecca or Medina?

 

Do you think it is good to have a branch of McDonalds in Mecca? What does that say about us?

 

 

fourth is it permisable to have a threaty with the kafir or not? Did the messenger of allah have threat with the kufar?

A treaty is permissible but siding with them, paying for their expenses of war towards Muslims, giving them bases to launch an attack on Muslims and helping them in any way to fight against your fellow Muslims isn't.

[Salafi_Online]

Sufis do, as to why they do it, you should ask a Sufi.

Imaam Ash-Shaa'fee on Sufism:

 

"If a person exercised Sufism (Tasawafa) at the beginning of the day, he does not come to Dhuhur except an idio* ." [Talbees Iblees]. Ibn jazee’

he also said!

 

"Nobody accompanied the Sufis forty days and had his brain return (ever)." [Talbees Iblees].

 

Concerning the famous Sufi leader, Al-Harith Al-Muhasbi, Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbaal ® said:

"Warn people from Al-Harith a Sufi leader the strongest warning!... He is the shelter of the Ahl Kalaam (people of rhetoric)." [Talbees Iblis].

 

 

Brother Viking, Why is that you consider sufies as “sunnies†but not consider Shia as “sunnies� Its evident that these two great Imams despised Sufism, not to mention ibn taymiyah!

 

Over 300 scholars were summoned to debate the issue and in the end ibn Baz issued a fatwa, the rest is history. I don't know which ones were for and against, but the majority of them had to have agreed to it to pass.

Brother do you know where I can find this statistic ! When we speak about the religion of Allah, we should always provide evidences brother! Allah said,†If indeed you speak the truth, then where is your prove?â€

 

Imam Shaikh Saleem al-Hilaalee student of Albani says:

 

In Q&A session

was asked about the gulf war!

 

A. As regards the events in the Gulf - the view of Shaikh al-Albanee and our view, is that we do not permit seeking the aid of the Mushriks, and the position of shaikh Naasir - may Allah increase him in good - is clear and contains no ambiguity - not out of love for one side or from fear of other - but rather due to the fear of Allah - subhaanaahu wa ta'aalaa.

 

Secondly: Those scholars, and we must have good thoughts about them - and it is Allah who takes account of them - then they are mild in their advising the rulers - so that hopefully Allah will correct them - that is the thought we hold about them. We do not agree about their Fatwaa about the war in the Gulf - they are not correct in our view - but they still receive reward for it - they performed ijtihaad and erred - and we have nathing to add to that - and that is our saying with regards to all the scholars - is they are incorrect they receive only one reward and if they are correct then they receive two rewards. And we have a different view about the affairs in the Gulf - about the presence of the American and the enemies of Allah - subhaanaahu wa ta'aalaa - in the Muslim land - we do not permit that.

 

How do you know Hosni Mubarak, King Abdullah, Hafez al Asad etc are Muslims? They are all secular leaders just like Saddam was. We can question everyone's faith sxb, but that is a dangerous thing to do. We could call the Saudi monarchy infidels for letting the americans suck the Saudi waelth for decades, we could brand the sheikhs heretics for inviting infidels etc etc. But suhannaAllah, we have to be careful because we are not the judge of that, Allah SWT is.

Its simple brother, because none of them ascribe to the ba’ath socialist atheist party! do you happened to know the creed of this party! Ask any arab what the Ba’ath party stands for!

do some research brother!

 

So they let the kufar into their country and they invited them, is this an issue of disbelieve? If so where can I find it in the book of Allah and the sunnah of his Rasul(sas)?

read the article!

 

 

Don't get smart with me mate. Are you trying to justify the presence of the americans because they weren't stationed in Mecca or Medina?

No im not, but you said the holy land, as far as I know “the Haaram†this does not include Jedda, Riyyad, and other cites like them! so to say they invited the Kufar into the Holy land is a mistake! just Admit it!

 

Do you think it is good to have a branch of McDonalds in Mecca? What does that say about us?

Whats wrong with MCdonalds if its halal?

The prophet(saw) brought food from the jews, even ate with them before his death, did business with christians and jews! so what are you getting at!

 

A treaty is permissible but siding with them, paying for their expenses of war towards Muslims, giving them bases to launch an attack on Muslims and helping them in any way to fight against your fellow Muslims isn't

Brother its agreed 100% by the scholars of this ummah unanimously that Saadam is a kafir, and shall remain until he frees himself from his party! But Assuming the Iraqi Regime are Muslims, then when they invaded Kuwait, wouldnt that be two believers fighting one another? If so what are we instructed to do in the Book of Allah?

 

Wallahu Alim

[sahal]

Whats wrong with MCdonalds if its halal?

The prophet(saw) brought food from the jews, even ate with them before his death, did business with christians and jews! so what are you getting at!

:eek:

 

This is one of the clear evidences that there are hidden hands behind this group, since they're very LEAN to the greatest enemies of ALLAH, look the word "Whats wrong with MCdonalds if its halal?" :confused: and very HARD to the ALLAH'S AWLIYAH like Sheikhs SAYID QUTUB, ABULALAA AL-MAWDUUDI, HASSAN NADAWI, HASSAN AL-BANAA, ABDIHAMID KASHKA and many others, among the living ones Sheikh QARADAWI, SALMAN AL-AWDA, SAFAR AL-XAWALI, MOHAMED QUTUB, ABDURAXMA ABDUL-KHALIQ and many others.

 

can anyone give me any explanation other than the suspicious that someone don't mind the enemies of ISLAM to occupy and penetrate the Muslim countries and HATE not only the other MUSLIMS but the top of the MUSLIMS i.e great scholars.

[Samafal]

Since all of you are urguing about Sheikhs and talking about other people, please ponder on this article, it may be telling something importan for all of us. I am not saying some one is wrong or right just be careful all of you:

 

From leading principles to which the Muslim needs to pay attention before he raises any doubt and before he accepts and believes in any accusation is to give priority to having a good opinion over having a bad opinion of his Muslim brothers. He should look for excuses and justifications that will excuse them and clear them of blame, especially when the accusation is directed towards callers to Allah and the righteous.

 

 

This is the practice of the righteous, people of understanding and wise men from among Muslims who fear their Lord and desire victory and predominance for Allah's Deen.

 

 

Had it been the other way around - had having a bad opinion of people been given a priority over having a good opinion, then no scholar would have been left without being maligned, no nobleman without faults found in him, and Muslims would be deprived from good examples. That is a methodology that is accepted neither by the Islamic Law nor by any logic.

 

 

“The basic principle in this rule is the saying of Allah `azza wa jall: “O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful.†[Al-Hujurat 49:12]

 

 

Allah `azza wa jall ordered avoiding much of the suspicion because some of it is sin, and He followed this order with the prohibition of spying, pointing out that spying in most cases does not occur except due to bad assumptions.

 

 

The way of the Muslim – the general rule - is hiding others' faults and having a good opinion of others. This is why Allah `azza wa jall ordered believers to have a good opinion of people when they hear slanders of their Muslim brothers.

 

 

And in the story of ifk (the lie which hypocrites invented against A`isha, the Mother of the Believers, from which Allah declared her free and innocent in the Quran), when it was said what was said, Allah `azza wa jall clarified the true position which every Muslim must understand. He said subhanahu wa ta`ala:

 

“Why, when you heard it, did not the believing men and believing women think good of themselves [i.e. one another] and say, 'This is an obvious falsehood'?†[An-Noor 24:12]†[Hisham Ismail As-Sini, Manhaj Ahl As-Sunnah wal Jama`ah fin Naqd wal Hukm `ala al Akhirin, Al Muntada, London, 1992, p. 21]

 

 

Dr. Mustafa as-Siba'i said, “Because having a good opinion and then regretting is better than having a bad opinion and then regretting.†[as-Sibai, Hakadha `allamatni al Hayat, al Maktab al Islami, Beirut, 1984, vol. 1, p. 42

[sahal]

Agree with you Bro. Rainbow 100% and this was the behaviour of our SALAF but ask salfi-on-line or deenu-naseexa (as he called himself later) if he agrees with you.

 

i'm sure he would say NO Ahlul bida's (as he calls the respected ULUMA) should be named and shamed since this is one of the principals of his group (NAME & SHAME the respected ULUMA).

 

I challenge him to give you another answer, and this is how they decieve the others, they say we're fighting against AHLUL BID"A, KHAWAARIJ and many other name.

 

I am waiting his response.

[Viking]

Brother Viking, Why is that you consider sufies as “sunnies†but not consider Shia as “sunnies� Its evident that these two great Imams despised Sufism, not to mention ibn taymiyah!

I suspect you are asking in spite, but in case you didn't know, according to the current and available classifications, Sufis and Wahhabis are both Hanbali. Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi'i and Hanafi are Sunnis. Shi'a are followers of the Ja'fari school of thought, which is not classified as being part of Sunni Islam.

 

 

Its simple brother, because none of them ascribe to the ba’ath socialist atheist party! do you happened to know the creed of this party! Ask any arab what the Ba’ath party stands for! do some research brother!

Not much research is needed for this mate, anyone who follows the news knows that the Ba'ath party is a socialist and secularist party that has ruled Iraq for decades. But what you don't seem to know from your response is that it is also the CURRENT ruling party in Syria. So Syrians do "ascribe to the ba’ath socialist atheist party"

 

 

Brother its agreed 100% by the scholars of this ummah unanimously that Saadam is a kafir, and shall remain until he frees himself from his party!

I assume the scholars you are referring to are Salafis; have they also agreed 100% as to whether Bashar Al Asad is a kafir, for he too "ascribe to the ba’ath socialist atheist party"?

[BiLaaL]

The Action of Rasoolullah (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam ) at the Time of a Storm.

 

Aisha (RadiAllahu Anha) relates that whenever a strong wind bringing dense clouds started blowing the Prophet's (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam) face turned pale with the fear of Allah (Subhanahu wa Taala). He became restless and would go in and out with worry and would recite the following Dua:

 

"Oh my Allah! I ask you the good out this wind, the good out of that which is in this wind and the good out of that which is the outcome of this wind. I seek refuge in you from the evil out of this wind from the evil out of that which is in this wind and from the evil out of that which is the outcome of this wind".

 

She says:

 

And further when it began to rain, signs of delight appeared on his face. I said to him once, "Oh Rasul of Allah (Subhanahu wa Taala) when clouds appear everybody is happy, as they foretell rain, but why is it that I see you so much perturbed at that time?"

 

He (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam ) replied, "Oh Aisha! How can I feel secure that this wind does not bring Allah (Subhanahu wa Taala)'s anger? The people of Aad were punished with the wind. They were happy when they saw the gathering dense clouds, believing that they brought rain; but actually those clouds brought no rain but utter destruction to Aad. "

 

Rasulullah (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam) was obviously referring to the following Aayah of the Quran:

 

"Then, when they (Aad) beheld a dense cloud coming toward their valleys, they said, 'Here is a cloud bringing us rain.' Nay, but it is that very calamity which you did seek to hasten, a wind wherein is grievous penalty, destroying all things by commandment of Allah. And morning found them so that naught could be seen, except their dwellings. Thus we treat the guilty fold." (al-Ahqaaf 24-25)

 

Look at the fear of Allah (Subhanahu wa Taala) in the heart of a person who is the best of all creation (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam). In spite of a clear Aayah in the Quran that Allah (Subhanahu wa Taala) would not punish the people so long as Rasulullah (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallam) was with them (al-Araaf 33), he has so much fear of Allah (Subhanahu wa Taala) that a strong wind reminds him of the punishment awarded to the people in the past. Now let us peep into our own hearts for a moment. Although we are fully drowned in sins, yet none of the unusual phenomena such as earthquakes and lightning arouse the least fear of Allah (Subhanahu wa Taala) in our hearts and instead of resorting to asking for Allah (Subhanahu wa Taala)'s forgiveness or Salah at such time, we only indulge in so called investigations.

[BiLaaL]

An Admonition by Hadhrat Abdullah bin Abbas (Radhiyallaho Anho).

 

Wahab bin Munabbah says:

 

Abdullah bin Abbas (Radhiyallaho Anho) lost his eyesight in his old age. I once led him to the Haram in Mecca, where he heard a group of people exchanging hot words among themselves. He asked me to lead him to them. He greeted them with 'Assalamu Alaikum.' They requested him to sit down.

 

He refused and said, "May I tell you about people whom Allah holds in high esteem? These are those whom His fear has driven to absolute silence, even though they are neither helpless nor dumb. Rather they are possessors of eloquence and have power to speak and sense to understand, but constant glorification of Allah's name has so overpowered their wits that their hearts are overawed and their lips sealed. When they get established in this state, they hasten towards righteousness. Whither have you people deviated from this course?"

 

After this admonition, I never saw an assembly of even two persons in the Haram.

 

It is said that Hadhrat Ibn Abbas (Radhiyallaho Anho) used to weep so much with Allah's fear that the tears streaming down his cheeks had left permanent marks on them.

 

In this story, Hadhrat Abdullah bin Abbas (Radhiyallaho Anho) has prescribed a very easy way to righteousness. Thats is to meditate over the greatness of Allah. If this is done, it becomes very easy to perform all other acts of righteousness with full sincerity. Is it so very difficult to devote a few minutes, out of the twenty four hours of a day at one's disposal, to this spiritual meditation?

[BiLaaL]

The Prophet's (Sallallaho alaihe Wasallam) passing near the ruins of Thamud during the Tabuk expedition.

 

The Tabuk expedition is one of the major campaigns of the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe Wasallam), and the last one in which he personally took part. When he received the news that the Caesar (of Rome) had mustered a large force to crush the power of Islam and was on his way (through Syria) to invade Madinah, he decided to lead the Sahabah to check him on his way. On Thursday the 5th of Rajab, 9 A.H., the devoted band marched out of Madinah. As the weather was hot and the fighting was expected to be very tough, the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe Wasallam) made an open declaration that the Muslims should gather in strength and prepare fully to face the forces of the Roman Empire. He also exhorted them to contribute towards the equipment of the expedition. It was on this occasion that Hadhrat Abu Bakr (Radhiyallaho Anho) contributed all his belongings.

 

When he was questioned by the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe Wasallam) as to what he had left for his family, he replied, "I have left Allah and His Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe Wasallam) for them."

 

Hadhrat Umar (Radhiyallaho Anho) contributed half of his belongings and Hadhrat Usman (Radhiyallaho anho) provided for the equipment of one-third of the whole army. Although everybody, contributed beyond his means, yet the equipment fell far short of the requirements. Only one camel was available for each group of ten persons, who were to ride them in turn. This is why this campaign is known as "The campaign of hardship."

 

The journey was long and the weather hot and dry. The orchards were laden with ripe dates (the staple crop of Madinah) and it was just the time for harvesting, when all of a sudden the Sahabah were required to start on this campaign. It was really a test of their Iman. They visualized the long and arduous journey, the scorching heat, the formidable enemy opposed to them and, to top all, the prospective loss of the year's crop, but they could not even dream of evading the call to arms, and that solely on account of the deep-rooted fear of Allah in their hearts. Except the women, children (who were excusable), those who were ordered to stay behind by the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe Wasallam) himself, and the munafiqin, nearly everybody joined the expedition. Also among those left behind were such persons as could neither arrange transportation for themselves, nor was the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe Wasallam) able to provide them with any. It is about such people that Allah says in his Book:

 

"They turned back with eyes flowing with tears in sorrow that they could not find means to spend." (IX: 92)

 

Of the true believers, those who stayed behind without any excuse whatsoever were three in number. Their story would be presently related. On their way to Syria when the expedition reached the habitation of Thamud, the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe Wasallam) covered his face with his shirt and quickened the pace of his camel. He also instructed the Sahabah to do the same, since that was the scene of Thamud's destruction. They were advised to pass there weeping and fearing lest Allah should punish them as he had punished the Thamud.

 

The dearest and the most beloved Prophet of Allah and his privileged companions pass by the ruins of the punished people in fear and tears, lest they meet the same fate. On the other hand today, if any place is struck with an earthquake, it becomes a place of sightseeing for us and, if we come across any ruins, our eyes remain dry and our hearts unaffected. What a change of attitude!

[Rahima]

ASC Viking,

 

Akhi there is a marked difference between grave worshipping and shafaaca.

 

Yes, we believe in shafaaca for it is something established in the Qur’an and Sunnah but we reject the asking of the dead for assistance.

 

What I was referring to, grave worshipping, is something which was ruled out by Rasuallah himself:

 

"Those before you took the graves of their Prophets as places of worship. Do not take graves as places of worship for verily I forbid you to do so." [Muslim]

 

So Akhi don’t you think that if anyone is worth calling upon it would be the best of mankind, the most beloved to Allah, Muhammad s.c.w? If we are not even allowed to ask for his help then what do you think about the righteous people who could never reach his level?

 

The other point is, you would think that the best of generations would of have practiced this, but nowhere will you find that they participated in it.

 

Allah also says in the Qur’an Allah states concerning the calling upon the dead:

 

"If you call upon them, they hear not your call, and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your worshipping them" [35: 14]

 

Brother this practice of saying that they (the dead) are a sort of intermediaries between us and Allah is no different than what the Quraish claimed concerning their idols:

 

"We only worship them so that they may bring us closer to Allah." [39: 3] and we all know that this was rebuked by the prophet of Allah.

 

Furthermore, it is no different than what the Christians do concerning the idols of Mary.

 

I am not calling them names or anything, but please don't tell me that they are beyond critisism becasue it doesn't take a nano-tech scientist to see what is going on.

There is nothing wrong with criticizing other human beings, including the scholars for it is not like that they are infallible, however all I was saying was, there is a certain etiquette with which this must be done. Irrespective of whether a scholar is right or wrong, inshallah they will receive their reward from the Most High, therefore let us always keep this in mind. I am 110% sure that when the likes of Shaykh ibn Baz and Cutahymin etc (rahimuallah) made any rulings that they thought it was in the best interest of the Muslims. Look I too disagree with that particular ruling, but this does not reduce the respect I hold for them. Anyway all in all, we just need to keep things in perspective and not continue to argue over points which even the scholars were extremely divided on.

[Viking]

Rahima,

Sis, surahs al-Fatir and al-Zumar that you quote above refer to people who worship or give 'partnership' to Allah SWT. It has nothing to do with intercession.

 

I quoted the following surahs that show that intercession is permissible;

 

 

al-Nisaa 4.64...

 

"O Allah, indeed You have said, Had they, who had wronged themselves, come to you and asked Allah's forgiveness and the Apostle had asked forgiveness for them, they would have certainly found Allah Most-Propitious, Most-Merciful"

 

 

Suratul Maryam 19:87

 

"None shall have the power of intercession except such a one as has received permission or a promise from Allah the Most Gracious."

 

There's a few posts initiated on teh Islam pages regarding this issue, please take it up with ther initiator of the threads for further discussions, it could be intructive.

 

 

About the sheikh you mentionned, ibn Baz, and his rulings, didn't he say that the earth was flat? How could that be "in the best interest of the Muslims"? This is man who died a few years ago, after the invention of the satelite and numerous other scientific endeavors that refute his claim. These are things I don't understand.