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Somaliland to split in two with New North East state

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Dhaqaale   

Articule from the African inteligence website.

The Somalian president Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed Farmajo is doing everything it takes to hold on to power. On 10 December, he invited his most loyal MPs to the Villa Somalia to elaborate with them a parliamentary delaying strategy to block the holding of a general election in 2020. As James Swan, the UN representative in Somalia, pointed out on 21 November during a briefing to the Security Council, parliament needs to pass the electoral code and adopt amendments to the political parties' law before the end of this year. ‘Any delay in this timeline puts the 2020 electoral calendar at risk', he stated. Farmajo is also trying to further undermine the federal states, with which Mogadishu has a fraught relationship. To this end, he asked Somalia's ambassador to Ethiopia Adihakim Abdullahi Amey who is from the Sool region and previously served as vice president of Puntland, to meet Turkey's special envoy responsible for mediation between Somalia and Somaliland, Olgar Bekar, on 6 December in Addis Ababa. Under discussion is the creation of a new federal state called Northeast (to the west of Puntland), which would encroach upon Somaliland soil according to a map which the Indian Ocean Newsletter has procured

 

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Tallaabo   
11 hours ago, Dhaqaale said:

Does anyone know if this is simply rumour or is it legit?

I think it is a rumour. Farmaajo can not just create federal states out of thin air. 

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7 hours ago, Tallaabo said:

I think it is a rumour. Farmaajo can not just create federal states out of thin air. 

It's not about what Farmaajo wants but Ì  am not sure how another tribal entity will do anything better. Somaliland and Puntland are barely functioning.

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Dhaqaale   
42 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

It's not about what Farmaajo wants but Ì  am not sure how another tribal entity will do anything better. Somaliland and Puntland are barely functioning.

I think with the tension between Somaliland and Puntland a Northeast state may give the people caught in the middle of this struggle a break. The Harti live in this region and do not trust Somaliland or Puntland. 

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On 12/16/2019 at 10:45 AM, Dhaqaale said:

Articule from the African inteligence website.

The Somalian president Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed Farmajo is doing everything it takes to hold on to power. On 10 December, he invited his most loyal MPs to the Villa Somalia to elaborate with them a parliamentary delaying strategy to block the holding of a general election in 2020. As James Swan, the UN representative in Somalia, pointed out on 21 November during a briefing to the Security Council, parliament needs to pass the electoral code and adopt amendments to the political parties' law before the end of this year. ‘Any delay in this timeline puts the 2020 electoral calendar at risk', he stated. Farmajo is also trying to further undermine the federal states, with which Mogadishu has a fraught relationship. To this end, he asked Somalia's ambassador to Ethiopia Adihakim Abdullahi Amey who is from the Sool region and previously served as vice president of Puntland, to meet Turkey's special envoy responsible for mediation between Somalia and Somaliland, Olgar Bekar, on 6 December in Addis Ababa. Under discussion is the creation of a new federal state called Northeast (to the west of Puntland), which would encroach upon Somaliland soil according to a map which the Indian Ocean Newsletter has procured

 

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Too much copying from Ethiopia.

Turkish will say no if they know its going to be against Puntland.

Farmaajo is trying to provoke new conflict to avoid election and freely interfere in regions under state of emergency, which Abiy has found impossible to declare.

Why not accept what was agreed in Djibouti and affirmed in Kenya and build on it?

The Turkish are most unhappy with Farmaajo, vey unlikely to help him negotiate with Somaliland.

 

 

All indications is this machination will die in face book.

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galbeedi   
On 12/17/2019 at 5:17 PM, Old_Observer said:

The Turkish are most unhappy with Farmaajo, vey unlikely to help him negotiate with Somaliland.

 

On 12/17/2019 at 5:17 PM, Old_Observer said:

Turkish will say no if they know its going to be against Puntland.

Turkey might be unhappy with Farmaajo , but not with the crazy and outlandish reasons professor OO mentioned.

In our side of the world, we don't  care about  these useless negotiations. These talks were nothing but a racket to make some cash. It worked for Ahmed Siilaanyo, but it doesn't work anymore. 

On 12/17/2019 at 9:35 AM, Che -Guevara said:

t's not about what Farmaajo wants but Ì  am not sure how another tribal entity will do anything better. Somaliland and Puntland are barely functioning.

Che,

The Sool/Sanaag region is intended to reduce the violence in the east. Not only the northern H..ti but the Sanaag Habro might join them. It will cool down the unending Ceel-Af Weyn conflict, finish off the Caare rebel group and remove both somaliland and Puntland from the flash points of Tukaraq, Sool and Sanaag.

I wouldn't add Togdheer in this new region. The Makhiris will lead the new region, the Habro ( West Burco) will be vice president and the dysfunctional Garaad community will be the parliament speaker. 

It could be done, but Farmaajo is afraid of being accused of interfering with  tribal issues, or destabilizing Somaliland and Puntland while they are all aware that the region is already unstable and needs new realignment. I am from the west side of Somaliland and for us Sanaag is a foreign land. Even Muuse Biixi and Faysal Waraabe privately said, " Sanaag iyada Soomaliland u baahane anagu uma baahnin".

 If I were Farmaajo I would do in heartbeat. They are accusing him all kind of things without lifting a finger. These Nabad Iyo Nolol fools are spending $20 million to set up the outlaws of Galmudug who are not even interested the so called Galmudug region , yet they can not spare few millions to create one of the biggest regions within the republic. By far Sanaag is one of the biggest regions in Somalia.1/3 of Somaliland belongs to Sanaag. If you add Sool , you got the second biggest region after Puntland. And by the way, Sanaag and Sool are much richer than Puntland it self both in terms of agriculture, livestock, minerals and hydrocarbons. Haven't you guys heard about the gold rush in Sanaag?

By carving out these region both the two corrupt regions of Somalia -Puntland and Somaliland--who are stagnant economically and socially will be orphans. 

After that, you have to negotiate with Togdheer, Woqoyi Galbeed and Awdal, the three regions that formed and voted the so called Somaliland. These were the ones who voted for the referendum of 1999.  

Walaahi, you could take over the whole country without firing one single bullet. 

Ah, biciidkaan dili doon, subagiisa ma dhami.

 

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galbeedi   

Tilamook,

Saaxiib we like your presence here in SOL.

Baryahan xageed ka dhacday?

I heard that in Somalia there is tradition that they will never re-elect a president which means Hassan and Farmaajo could both lose. 

I am just thinking what could be.......

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Sool and sanaag are integral part of somaliland. Qurbajoog can throw parties and farmaajo  groupies canhave wet dreams at the end of the day Somaliland rules these lands  dhulka anaga iska leh. Carke wa ninka is dhaqaajiiya

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Dhaqaale   
On 12/22/2019 at 3:07 PM, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

Sool and sanaag are integral part of somaliland. Qurbajoog can throw parties and farmaajo  groupies canhave wet dreams at the end of the day Somaliland rules these lands  dhulka anaga iska leh. Carke wa ninka is dhaqaajiiya

What if the Harti decide to join Somalia? Would they be told to leave the land and enter Puntland or allowed to form their own state. Serious question.

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Amigos   
29 minutes ago, Dhaqaale said:

What if the Harti decide to join Somalia? Would they be told to leave the land and enter Puntland or allowed to form their own state. Serious question.

Here is the thing: clans have no say in the matter, period.

Why is it that these self-proclaimed nationalists only happen to discuss clans, specifically their immediate clans? This clearly demonstrates that their claimed nationalism is just means to an end; they are the most vile clannists you will meet. 

To go back to your question, neither Isaaq, Harti nor Dir will get a say as a clan. This precedent is much more dangerous and harmful to Somalia than Somaliland, whats next? Each sub sub sub clan gets a say on whether they want to join Somalia or not?

In reality, Sool and Sanaag are shared regions, 2 out of 3 districts in Sanaag (Ceel Afweyn, Ceerigaabo) are Isaaq and have no interest in joing Puntland. In Sool Caynabo districts and northern Xudun district are Isaaq. So the notion that Sool and Sanaag just belong to Harti is false to start with, they are shared regions.

Darod as a clan needs to stop being petulant and quit demanding for borders to be redrawn along their preferred clan lines. In Mudug, they are doing the exact same thing, i.e. split the region along clan lines. This simply will not happen. Somaliland has made a decision as a collective, Sool and Sanaag are an integral part of the country and not an inch of them will be given.

I will end on this, in 1960, when Somaliland first decided to form a union with Somalia, there were many voices that opposed forming a union in haste, one of which was the grand Garaad of the Eastern Sool community; he preferred to join at some point in the future and was very vocal about it. In the end, the Garaad and his community followed what the majority of Somaliland chose, i.e. to unite. 

The situation is no different today. 

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Amigos   
40 minutes ago, Dhaqaale said:

Amigos thanks for the answer. I was getting the impression that Sool and Sanaag were majority Darood.

How so? 

Sanaag has 3 districts, namely Ceerigaabo (capital), Ceel Afweyn and Badhan. Ceerigaabo and Ceel Afweyn are Isaaq districts whilst Badhan is a Darood district. 

Sool is one of the least populated regions in Somaliland, it generally has about half the population of Sanaag. Out of its four districts (Lascanood, Caynabo, Xudun, Taleex), Isaaq reside in Caynabo (the second most populous district after LA) and northern Xudun, whilst Darod reside in Lascanood, Taleex and Xudun.

 

 

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galbeedi   
7 hours ago, Amigos said:

2 out of 3 districts in Sanaag (Ceel Afweyn, Ceerigaabo) are Isaaq a

Sanaag has four district since before 1991.

Ceerigaabo

Ceel Afweyn

Badhan

Laasqoray.

Ceerigaabo was always shared. While Badhan and Laasqoray are exclusively Maakhir community towns.

Now Sanaag has even more districts than 1991. While Garadag became a district, there are also big districts in SAnaag Bari like Hadaaftimo and Dhahar.

If you measure by today's population centres, east SAnaag has four major districts. Dhahar, Laasqoray, Badhan and Hadaaftimo while they share Ceerigaabo.

By the way, being named district by Somali administration whether it was military government or the current one is not the best way to measure towns or districts. Here is dhahar, by far the best landscape in the North. 

 

Below Hadaaftimo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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