If Sh. Umul sincerely cares about Somalis he should focus his diatribes on Alshabaab. He should tell Alshabaab that suicide bombings and assasinating people as they leave mosques are against Islam. Leave manly tasks like lawmaking to real men. In the old days Wadaads weren't even trusted to partake in wars and settle disputes. This is because Wadaad's loyalty always laid somewhere else and not with his community as Somalis are finding to their detriment today. Wadaads were given lofty tasks such as overseeing marriages, reading last passage rites, murmuring some verses at tacsi and organizing communal events like the cruel Roobdoons where sinister Wadaads tell barefoot kids to run around under the scorching sun. The question is: how was it that Somalis of previous generations could see Wadaads as untrustworthy but current generation of Somalis, with all the education and hindsights offered by history, can't?

^Turkey didn't exist in 16th century. What can Somalis do for Turkey though?

Lol. That old man is my hero. Only a true Somali can spew utter BS with a straight face. This propensity to talk BS without a flinch is common among all Somalis. Not that long ago I chanced upon "Xamar yaa Leh" debate on Universal TV. The debate was between some qurbojoog dude named Maxamed Raage who belonged to either Sh. Shariif's or Qanyare's clan and a Rer Xamar or Rer Cadcad man. The Reer Xamar guy didn't know that he was dealing with veritable Somali that day. First, Raage denied the very existence of Reer Xamar people claiming they're fictious group despite sitting across a self-proclaimed Reer Xamar. Stunned Rer Xamar guy retorted by citing the prominent role Reer Xamar played in Somali history including their role in SYL. At this point Mr. Raage's annoyance is all too apparent and he relieves his annoyance by calling the Rer Xamar SYL members a pack of self-styled criminals. But he doesn't stop there because the Rer Xamar guy, looking for any consensus, mentioned the historical role Rer Xamar played in Benaadir region going back hundreds of years all the while introducing innovations, new ideas and architecture. To upstage his opponent, Mr Raage came up with the best of his outlandish claims when he said it took only 300 Somalis to defeat the Japanese at Bermuda! Since when? Lool!

I think Aaliyah started this thread 'cause she's miffed at a guy who texted her instead of phoning. Random topic my backside! Anyways, tell the SOB that if he doesn't wanna talk to you, it is his loss. If he can't be bothered to phone he probably doesn't fancy you.

One of the great appeals of organized religions is that they simplify otherwise complex world into pre-packaged set of binary choices. Good and Evil. Xalaal and Xaraam. Heaven and Hell. Dos and Donts. Why bother with the tough task of thinking for yourself when you can relegate that to others. That is why we have Churches, Mosques, Synagogs, Temples and by extension self-help gurus because no one wants to take respensibility for themselves... people are enticed by the idea that everything will be hunky-dory if you pray this way and read these verses. But the surrender of independent thought means you're prone to being misled as we often see with religious people. Muslims all over the world are blowing themselves and others up on the believe that they're going to go to heaven. None of them have paused for a second and asked: wait a minute, is this even true?

nuune;824686 wrote: Wax interesting la dhaho ma jiro, you are either a believer in God, or Kaaffir jaahil mulxid murtad ilaah ka furtey oo Jahannama sugeyso iney diirato, labadaas wax ka dhaxeeyo ma jiro, wixii diintooda ka suuban ka baxey after reading few books and articles of interesting waxaan leeyahey naari idin cuntey, mulxid murtad kuffaar diintiisa ka baxey oon walwal iyo walaac ku jirin waan waayey aniga, farxadii baa ka suushey, summum bukmun cumyun fahum laa yarjicuuna Lol... odeygan sheekada wey ka hoos baxdee, bal yaa qaban doona? Waryaa Nuune, war is deji. Iska dhaaf xanaaqa iyo dhiigkarka. Haddii kale, Diinlaawayaal baa computer screen kaaga soo dhex dusi doona si ee kuu gaaleeyaan.

^So, do you also find all green vegetables disgusting too?

Lol. Absolutely briliant! I'm in stitches.

If your goal is to know your ancestory, then DNA testing is your best bet. Abtiris is next to useless in telling anything ancestory. How can we be sure it is true at all? DNA testing at least takes away the guess work and objectively settles your ancestory. The blood coarsing through your veins is the strongest evidence regarding your ancestory. In fact, DNA testing is so reliable that courts of law routinely use them to settle paternal disputes. That's good enough for me.

Goormuu Muuse Suudi noqdey Professor? lol

NORF, the natural state of affairs, the default of position of nature is non-existence until such time some adduces evidence to the contrary. So, atheist affirming his lack of believe in Allah doesn't need evidence for his lack of believe. In fact, you're asking him/her to prove a negatie which is impossible. Can you prove there is no invisible teapot orbiting the moon. If not, how are you any different from atheist? While we can't disprove Allah's existence by appealing to evidence, we can however cite the self-refuting attributes of Allah. Take for instance, Allah's attributes of Just and Merciful. These are self-refuting and contradictory. To be merciful to someone means to be unjust to someone else. Allah can't both, He must be one or the other. AYOUB;819700 wrote: ^ What do you believe and those who say they reject Islam believe? You need to rephrase the question because I don't get what you're asking. Atheists don't believe in supernatural being or organized religions. But other than that, they're normal people who encapsulate diverse opinions and believes.

^That has to be the most pathetic Islamic apologetics screed I've ever read. And I've read a lot of Islamic apologetics. There can't be multiple creators because Allah said so in the Quran? Now, what kind of perverted logic is that? If you guys can't see the absurdity of using the Quran to prove the Quran, then we can't have much of debate. I'm afraid this boils down to intelligence. Some of you lack the intellectual wherewithal to see the folly of citing the Quran to prove Allah/Islam. I even provided the analogy of Honda's CEO claiming Hodan is the best car because he said so. Would you take his word for it or ask for objective evidence. Lets consider another analogy. Microsoft claims Windows is the best operating system because Bill Gates said so. Would you agree with them or ask for evidence? Of course you'd ask for evidence. Ditto with Islam. You can't demonstrate the existence of Allah or the prophethood of Mohammed by citing Allah's supposed words in the Quran. You need to cite some independent evidence corroborating Allah's claims in the Quran. But lets not ascribe to suprior intelligence to Atheists by dint of their atheism because it doesn't really take much of an intelligence to reject organized religions. I was only 10 when I first spotted many of the inherent contradictions in Islam. One day I asked my dugsi teacher if Allah could read our every thoughts and could see what we were always doing even if we made efforts to conceal ourselves like hiding under a bed or something along those lines. He said yes, Allah is all-knowing. But then a little later he went on to expound on the spy angels Allah perched on our shoulders to record our deeds. I remember asking myself: why would Allah who can hear and see everything we do need spy angels for? Of course this kind of glaring contradiction passes by most Muslims like water passes under duck's derriere. This got me thinking maybe Allah puts spy angels on the shoulders of his creation as a punishment. Imagine the delimma of the angels entrusted to spy on the likes of Maadeeys of this world. They'd probably be bored to death. Others will form unions taking to the picket lines to protest for better job postings. N.O.R.F;819746 wrote: ^can we do away with quotes from others and concentrate on the topic ie the verses given by Maadeey? Do you disagree with his explainations? If so, why? etc etc Why would anyone "concentrate" on verses from the Quran? There is nothing special about the Quran. It is just a book purportedly from Allah although it looks like a book by mortal men to any objective observer. I lost track of the verses posted but if you could YOUR favourite 2 or 3 I'll happily respond to them.

Lool@ Afro hashemite

Any horse named Somali will almost certainly never win anything. Poor horse, really pity him.

wyre;818553 wrote: I thought you were not a believer :D You lie! I am a believer. Insha'allah, the mujaahidiin of atheism and secularism in collaboration with Ahlu Dikr wal Bun will karbaash ahlu bidca wal fasaad aka Salafis/Wahibis. Are you with us brother? We need all the help we can get.

Mario B, Why are you citing Wikipedia? You can't defend the oxymoronic and pseudoscientific concept of Social Darwanism by appealing to Wikipedia any more than you can defend Homeopathy by citing Wikipedia. Wikipedia, or any other site, may mention Social Darwanism but that tells us nothing whether it is legitimate scientific discipline or not. Truth can not be established by mere reference to a site especially one that can be edited by any body. Furthermore, racists have always tried to rationalize their bigotry by utilizing the reigning paradigm of the day. The reigning paradigm of Darwin's time was religion, so racists the Bible and Quran to justify their racism. Ever since science replaced religion as the reigning paradigm, bigots started to use science to justify their bigotry. But there is nothing in "Darwanism" that justifies racism at all. In fact, Evolution Theory tells all humans are of common origin and human equality is contingent historical fact. Lastly, I've noticed a lot of you are whinging about the answers you're getting. Here is a possible remedy: if you need better answers, ask better questions.

At this rate of "state" creation it won't be long before they are more states than Somalis.

Mario B;818362 wrote: Remember the concept of the survival of the fittest? Yes. Do you? Nazi Aryanism and Christian antisemitism are two sides of the same coin. Both are premised on blind faith and prejudice not on reason and evidence that underpin scientific concepts such as survival of the fittest.

Actually, cancer is mostly old age disease. It is sad to hear the author succumbed to his illness but am I missing something? There is hardly a week that goes by without reading similar stories in local papers. What is so special about this particular case?

nuune;818125 wrote: Raamsade: Adeer, hadalka badan jooji, diinta Islaamka waad ka baxdey, maalin cad ayaadna gaaloowdey caasiyahow, iskaga har dadka muslimiinta ah iyo waddankooduba, intaas ma sameyn kartaa, Islam kuma daba socdo kumana rabo, iskaga har billa caleyk Sxb, dalka Somalia wuxuu u wada dhexeyaa Somali oo dhan, gaal ama Muslim. Qof walbe oo Somali waa u xaq in uu ka hadlo dalkiisa iyo dadkiisa. Teeda kale, yaa adi Somali oo dhan afhayeenkooda kaa dhigey? Qur ahaan u hadal. Been ha ka sheegin diinta Islam waayo diinta waxee amartey in qofka ka baxo Islam la daba socdo ka dibna la gowraco. Ta ma been baa? Qof murtad ah maanta parliament Somali ma ka qeybgali karaa? Waa maya. Somali oo murtad ah intee Somalia ku noqdaan Kaniisad ma Synagogue ama Hindu Temple dalka ma ka furan karaan? Waa maya. Marka, maxaad beenta u sheegi?

GaroweGal;818103 wrote: It appears that atheists like you cannot accept the fact that Hitler’s racialist social policies in Nazi Germany were inspired by “social Darwinism” as he believed the Aryan race was far superior than other races, hence paving the way for the Holocaust. I don't "accept" it because it is not true. There is no such thing as Social Darwanism since "social" connotes learned behaviour whereas Darwanism connotes genetically inheritable traits (instincts are genetically determined, for example). People learn (and unlearn) to be bigots and racists from their environment be it their parents, extended family or larger society in general. They don't genetically inherit bigotry and racism from their parents. So, it is simply wrong to ascribe Hitler's atrocities to some makebelieve notion called Social Darwanism. Hitler hated Jews because he was reared in a society that fostered antisemitism in the form of wanton demonization and dehumanization of Jews ultimately rendering them sub-humans. In fact, the Holocaust offers a cautionary tale of what happens when wanton bigotry and dehumanization is left unchecked. The Holocaust is the culmination of centuries old European antisemitism. GaroweGal;818103 wrote: I think it is immaterial and irrelevant that Hitler himself professed to be Roman Catholic as no believing person is capable of inflicting such inhumane and indescribable atrocities. This is outlandish claim born of pious hubris but can you substantiate your claim? Or do you just want us to take your word for it? I think your problem is you think Atheists and unbelievers in general are morally suprior to believers. Let me disabuse of you of such mistaken perception. Athiests have no monopoly on morality or good behaviour. They're human beings and like all humans beings they contain their share of good and bad apples. The only difference is atheists don't justify their atrocities on some prehistoric religious texts and therefore it is relatively easier to discredit their ideas.

GaroweGal;817820 wrote: Talking about so called crazed Jihadist wanting to take your lost soul, is this a joke? You think murder is a joke? Islam clearly and explicity mandates death for apostasy. All four schools of Sunni Islamic Jurisprudence concur on this point. Many Jihadist are hellbent on fulfulling this mandate. Do you agree with them? GaroweGal;817820 wrote: Last time I checked Stalin was not a believer yet under his administration millions of innocent people perished. Also remember Hitler, through his atheism inspired ideology of " Social Darwinism" millions of innocent women and children were murdered. These two men alone have killed more people than all the wars fought under the banner of any religion. Therefore, atheism is not as peaceful and benign as you would like as to believe. Don't give yourself too much credit that someone is out there to take your doomed soul, I am sure there are many more powerful atheists like Salman Rushdie and the most infamous infidel of all, Ayan Hirsi who are more deserving to be put to the sword before a small time wanna be cyber atheist like you. Stalin was a communist dictator. His atheism was incidental just like Saddam Hussien's Islam was incidental to his sadistic and brutal nature. Ditto Assad who nobody labels as "Muslim mass murderer" even though he is self-professed Muslim. His faith is extraneous to his actions. Hitler wasn't an atheist he was a Roman Catholic. Where do you think he picked all that pent up rage against Jews? You guessed it: Christianity. Just like Somalis hate Jews today thanks to Islam as Jews have historically done no harm to Somalis. Jew hating has long and sordid history in Islam and Christianity. And the reason why Hitler and Stalin killed more people is not because they were atheists as you mistakenly believe. They killed more people because they had better technology than their medieval counterparts. Muslims and Christians of Crusades era, for instance, only had swords, bow and arrows, spears, etc. Where as Hitler and Stalin had mass transportation (trains, trucks, cars, airplanes), mass communication (radio, television, telegraph, phone), gas chambers and modern weapons like tanks, artillery, machine guns, etc. Modern technology makes it easier to kill a lot of people. If there were only swords and spears in Somalia, like the good ol' days, they'd be far far fewer deaths I can assure.

nuune;817776 wrote: bal wakaasee eeg, kan Raamsade fiiri wuxuu qorey, wuxuu ku leeyahay Islam ma daba socono waan iska dhaafey, xagna wuxuu ku leeyahay wadaadaa na qarribey, dadka iyo dal baan xoreynayaa buu ku leeyahay, yuu ka xoreynayaa, Islam buu ka xoreynayaa soo ma ahan, eeg bal waa wixii aan ka hadleenay. Waxaa habboon in aa runta sheegtid. Xaggee ku qorey Islam aa Somalia ka xoreyn? Mise waxaad kala garanla'dahay Wadaadnimo iyo Islam. Wax annaga naga galay kii Islam caabuda ama kii yaxaas caaabuda ma jirto. Caabud waxaad doontid. Balse, dhibka na horyaala waa Wadaadadda. Kuwa maanta hortaagan xaquuqda dumarka Somalida waa Wadaadadda gaar ahaan markii laga hadlo qeybgalka siyaasada ee dumarka ku mudanyihiin. Oo waaba ogtahay Wadaadadda in ee ahaayeen kuwi uga coddheeraa qolooyinkii diidey Sharciga Qoysaska ee Siyaad Barre. Kuwa ku lidsan horumarka caafimaadka waa Wadaadadda waayo waxee dadka u sheegaan beenta ah in Quraanka wax walbe daawo u yahay. Qof jirran oo qalitaan u baahan, Quraan lagu akhriyo wax u ma taro. Sidaa oo kale, Wadaadadda ma rabaan in Somalida wax la barro, xataa waxee hadda marayaan heer ee ka dhidhiciyaan gabdhaha qurba jooga ah in Jaamacado eysan aadin. Haddii Somalida wax la barro oo la tuso in dhib walbe aqoon xal u tahay, yaa goor dambe Wadaad dheg u taagi doona? Waa cidna. Marka in Wadaadadda col u yihiin Somalida wee iska caddahay, adi maxaa ku diidantahay in lala dagaalamo? nuune;817776 wrote: hadaad diinta Islaamka aadan rabin, dee dadkeedana oo wada Muslim ah ma rabtid, that includes kuwii ku dhaley awowyaashaa iyo qaraabadaa, ma rabtid, ayagana kuma rabaan maadaama aad gaaloowdey, fallaagoowdey, noqotey murtad, diinta iskaga baxey, kaaffir aan isku filneyn ama ku qanacsaneyn wuxuu hada aaminsanyahey. Hadalkaas waa hadalka Alshabaab. Alshabaab aa sidaa u hadasha oo dhahda: "haddii aadan jidkeyga soo raacin, seefteyda aa ku sugi." Waa hadalka sababa qaraxyada ka dhaca Xamar bil walbe. Waa hadalka sababey ninkii lagu diley Beledweyne goor aan fogeyn ka dib markii qolo ku eedeysey in uu diinta Islam ka baxey. Waa ayaandarro in caqligaaga kaa dhowri la'yahay aragtida noocaas oo dhiiga daadisa. Ilaa iyo intii dadka noocaada u fikira Somalia ku badanyihiin, ha ka sugin nabad iyo horumar. Waayo, horumar waxaa la gaaraa markii dadka gartaan in kala duwanaanta ee tahay midnimo iyo awood. Teeda kale, sidee ku ogaatey in Somali oo dhan wada yihiin Muslimiin? Wax caqligal ah ma tahay marka horey? Ma Ilaah baa tahay mise waxaad moodey diinta dadka sanka laga giliyo oo loo gu daro handadaad, takoor iyo dil kuwa ka baxa Islam, ma diintaas si dhab ah loo aaminsanyahay. Ani waxaa ku dhihi lahaa dib isku fiiri. Haddaaba sidaan u fikireysid waxaa dhaama adoo Alshabaab toos igu biira oo gaalada la dagaalama. nuune;817776 wrote: Ma noolaan kartaa adoon diinta Islaamka soo hadal qaadin, Haa ka dib goortii laga xoreyo dalka Gumeysiga Wadaadadda. Lakin adi ma joojin kartaa caayda? Jawaabtada oo dhan caay aa ka buuxdey inkastoo caayda SOL laga mamnuucay.

sharma-arke451;817773 wrote: can you define atheism without religion? Which religion? There are many religions.

nuune;817440 wrote: ^^ Sharmaake and Malika, waliba waxaa ugu sii daran gaalada Soomaalida ah, at least gaalada ajaanibta kale ammaan bey siinayaan diimaha ay ka baxeen, unlike kan dhafoorka dheer leh ee Soomaaliga ah ee gaaloobey, gaalnimadiisa kuma faraxsana hence the obsession of Islam, you won't see them saying anything bad about Christianity, Judaism, Budhism, Hindusim, only thin we can do is inaan u soo duceeno, but personally gaal Soomaali ah umaba duceyn karo, naarta ha ku waaro ayaan oran lahaa forever, Labo wax aad illowsan tahay. Kow, "gaalada" ajaanibta ah goor hore ee dalkooda ka xoreysteen Gumeysiga Wadaadadda balse annaga gumeysigaas aa willi ku jirnaa. Marka haddii qolodaas ee badi diimaha eedeen ama ka haldin taas micneheeda ma aha in aan isku fikir eheen lakin waa fursad ee ayaga ka dhaxleen guushii ee ka gaareen Wadaadadda gumeysan jirey. Labo, eedeenta diimaha wax "gaalada" ajaanibta ku cusub ma aha, waa wax ayaga ee caadeysteen oo dhaqankood ka mid aha. Laakin adinka (Somali iyo Muslimiinta dhan) ka hadalka diimaha waa wax amakaag iyo naxdin u aragtaan. Waxaa kaloo la dhihi karaa in Muslimiinta si saa'id ah dadka Muslim eheen u neceb yihiin sidaa darteed aa keenta colaada iyo xanaaqa badan goortii Muslimiinta arkaan dad dhaha Islam aa ka baxney ama diinlaawe aan nahay. Anyways, is yeelyeelka iska daaya oo Ilaahey ka baq ee towbad keena. Sow ma ogidiin in beenta iyo neceebka Ilaahey ka ag fogtahay? Markaad tiraahdaan Diinlaawe Somali wuxuu ku waashey Islam, been baad sheegteen. Annaga Islam kuma waallan ee dadkeena iyo dalkeena aa rabnaa in aa badbaadino. Marka na daaya oo naga daba hara. Waa bila towfiiq!