Will, unlike you I believe these courts actions and their percieved threat to the region and world might get two secesionist states rather than one. What if through clan warfare Puntland declares itself anf recognise Somaliland, what do you think Ethiopia and Kenya would do? We have been betrayed before and who to say we are not heading to the end of Somalia as an idea. Somaliland flafg. Southern flag.. Puntland f;ag with the Shahada and maybe a crescent..

Will, unlike you I believe these courts actions and their percieved threat to the region and world might get two secesionist states rather than one. What if through clan warfare Puntland declares itself anf recognise Somaliland, what do you think Ethiopia and Kenya would do? We have been betrayed before and who to say we are not heading to the end of Somalia as an idea. Somaliland flafg. Southern flag.. Puntland f;ag with the Shahada and maybe a crescent..

You might be thinking that the TFG and PL and SL have Ethiopian support. Ethiopia will do nothing. I agree, but Puntland and TFG do not need Ethiopia support,to fight the courts. I put to you that once they attack Baidoa they will face their first set back. The whole clans of Puntland in the country and diaspora will support the self defence of the government. Thats the reason Xasan Dahir always denies attacking Baidoa and says he will not regardless of the younger officers in his camp like Abu Mansuur. He knows he will face a real foe. Somalia was a number of powers, Hargaysa, Garowe, Mogadishu...Thats the end game.

You might be thinking that the TFG and PL and SL have Ethiopian support. Ethiopia will do nothing. I agree, but Puntland and TFG do not need Ethiopia support,to fight the courts. I put to you that once they attack Baidoa they will face their first set back. The whole clans of Puntland in the country and diaspora will support the self defence of the government. Thats the reason Xasan Dahir always denies attacking Baidoa and says he will not regardless of the younger officers in his camp like Abu Mansuur. He knows he will face a real foe. Somalia was a number of powers, Hargaysa, Garowe, Mogadishu...Thats the end game.

loooooooooooool Alle-ubaahne, sxb maad u ducaysid inta aad habareysid. Waa dad muslima oo qaldamay waa loo duceeyaa ha noqonin sidii Xasuuso markii Nabiga scw u tagay Daif oo caruurihii lagu soo kiciyey inaay shiidaan ama tuuryeeyaan ee malag u yimid muxuu ku yiri? ma habaaray? ma yiri baabi'i may wuu u duceeeyey basa, marka atleast u duce in xaqa Allaah waafajiyo inta aad u habaari lahayd. well said. Red Sea, you are right the people of Somaliland have no blame, in fact they came out to demosntrate against these allegations.

Again you bring nothing new to the table. I dont want a clan war and not one between my two closest clans i.e. Mogadishu and Puntland. We want equality and peace. Shariah law is fine, but why must it be under the control of oen group? I want Shariah law in Puntland and Somaliland and Djabouti, but it must come from the people and not from the top imposed. You speak of reveloution, but how many in Puntland and Somaliland want a reveloution today, we want developement and not a new fake war in our region? Ethiopia you say, but I have bigger problems with TB, polio and hunger. I dont want to destroy the little we built. We have had this type of fake dawns. The courts came about through the gun and will no doubt exit by it.

Again you bring nothing new to the table. I dont want a clan war and not one between my two closest clans i.e. Mogadishu and Puntland. We want equality and peace. Shariah law is fine, but why must it be under the control of oen group? I want Shariah law in Puntland and Somaliland and Djabouti, but it must come from the people and not from the top imposed. You speak of reveloution, but how many in Puntland and Somaliland want a reveloution today, we want developement and not a new fake war in our region? Ethiopia you say, but I have bigger problems with TB, polio and hunger. I dont want to destroy the little we built. We have had this type of fake dawns. The courts came about through the gun and will no doubt exit by it.

The blood spilled will be Soomaalis, not Eritreans and the other Tigreys in Addis Ababa; the dead bodies will be Soomaalis children, elders and women, among the innocent, not the two Tigreys of Addis Ababa and Asmara. MMA 2006

ME. again you mix up many issues, what rebelion is there in Puntland? None so far, just like there was no rebelion in Kismayu, Marka, Barava and Baidoa. Kismayu was taken over, so if they courts attack Galkacyu they will spark a clan war fare. Its a catch twenty two, noh? They need an internal uprising that might not come, and they cannot invade. So they must wait. The conditions in these areas are not the same as in the south. But that’s one mistake these courts are making. You make a number of invalid assumptions. The most basic is that the ICU has more military power than the TFG, Puntland and so on. And that the people of Puntland are sufficiently dissatisfied with their regime to replace it with the courts. The courts filled a vacuum in Mogadishu, those other areas have been in peace for a while. Do not take Shiekh Rambo's comments literaly, will they attack Hargaysa?

ME. again you mix up many issues, what rebelion is there in Puntland? None so far, just like there was no rebelion in Kismayu, Marka, Barava and Baidoa. Kismayu was taken over, so if they courts attack Galkacyu they will spark a clan war fare. Its a catch twenty two, noh? They need an internal uprising that might not come, and they cannot invade. So they must wait. The conditions in these areas are not the same as in the south. But that’s one mistake these courts are making. You make a number of invalid assumptions. The most basic is that the ICU has more military power than the TFG, Puntland and so on. And that the people of Puntland are sufficiently dissatisfied with their regime to replace it with the courts. The courts filled a vacuum in Mogadishu, those other areas have been in peace for a while. Do not take Shiekh Rambo's comments literaly, will they attack Hargaysa?

Cayrow a tough young man. But is he a match for the whole clan? I have my doubts.

Its a good move on their part and to be expected, but like NN stated the truth is in what they do and not what they say.. The begining of a new government? no

ME. I never took you to be rash. Brother mark my words these courts will not be able to replicate what happened in Mogadishu for several reaons in both Puntland and Somaliland. There needs to be no panic. The Mogadishu residents have just gained the security that many in these areas have had for more than a decade. Also you forget that the people of those regions, specially Somaliland are very suspecious of anything Mogadishu. Millitarily the courts have only been able to occupy areas which their clans had a hold over. Mogadishu, Beledweyne, Kismayu and so on. Who have they defeated? They cleared their home turf, but they have not faced the other well armed clans of Somalia, including Hiiraales in Battle. If they attack Baidoa then Puntland would be sucked in and thus the clan war can not be avoided. Puntland has many troops in Baidoa and they represent every clan of the state. They have slim hold over the learge araes they control, so any adventure could give them a great set back. We wait and see, but I am feeling that the few victories they have had is like the call of the fake dawn. Right now Mr ME the others are planning just like the courts..The quite before the storm I guess.

ME. I never took you to be rash. Brother mark my words these courts will not be able to replicate what happened in Mogadishu for several reaons in both Puntland and Somaliland. There needs to be no panic. The Mogadishu residents have just gained the security that many in these areas have had for more than a decade. Also you forget that the people of those regions, specially Somaliland are very suspecious of anything Mogadishu. Millitarily the courts have only been able to occupy areas which their clans had a hold over. Mogadishu, Beledweyne, Kismayu and so on. Who have they defeated? They cleared their home turf, but they have not faced the other well armed clans of Somalia, including Hiiraales in Battle. If they attack Baidoa then Puntland would be sucked in and thus the clan war can not be avoided. Puntland has many troops in Baidoa and they represent every clan of the state. They have slim hold over the learge araes they control, so any adventure could give them a great set back. We wait and see, but I am feeling that the few victories they have had is like the call of the fake dawn. Right now Mr ME the others are planning just like the courts..The quite before the storm I guess.

ME. What will the rest do wait, for the uprising, assasination, spliting of the government and so on? The problem for Mogadishu is the perception that they have the millitary power to subdue the whole country. Puntland and Somaliland go beyond just personalities, there are too many stakeholders, beyond Cade, Riyaale in comparison to the warlords and factions that the courts have over taken. I say that the courts are blowing their won trumpet a bit too much. A confrontation withe Puntland will be seen as a clan war on a major scale, say bye to Somalia.

ME. What will the rest do wait, for the uprising, assasination, spliting of the government and so on? The problem for Mogadishu is the perception that they have the millitary power to subdue the whole country. Puntland and Somaliland go beyond just personalities, there are too many stakeholders, beyond Cade, Riyaale in comparison to the warlords and factions that the courts have over taken. I say that the courts are blowing their won trumpet a bit too much. A confrontation withe Puntland will be seen as a clan war on a major scale, say bye to Somalia.

What Islamic court? lol. The governemnt led by the President in the title of your post..

^^Good point. Same rubish rehashed.

France issues warrants on Djibouti death probe Monday, October 02, 2006 PARIS (Reuters) - French authorities have issued arrest warrants against the Djibouti state prosecutor and the head of the country's secret services in connection with the 1995 death of a French judge, his wife's lawyer said on Sunday. The cause of judge Bernard Borrel's death has remained unsolved since his burned corpse was discovered in Djibouti , in the Horn of Africa, in 1995. Djibouti authorities initially said Borrel, who had been working as a consultant to the country's Justice Ministry, had committed suicide, but his widow has accused high-ranking local officials of involvement in the murder of her husband. French investigators have tried to obtain information from Djibouti officials and last year even summoned the country's president to testify in the case, although he refused to do so. Olivier Morice, who represents the wife of judge Bernard Borrel said the appeal court in Versailles had issued the new warrants on Wednesday. "This is a considerable advance in the case of the murder of Bernard Borrel," he said. The strategically important former French colony hosts large numbers of French troops as well as U.S. forces hunting militants such as those who blew up the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, killing more than 200 people. Source: Reuters, Oct 2, 2006

LOL. Ibrahim Badamasi Babangida , Maradona is running? The North will support him, as he is a Muslim Hausa. The South-west dominated by the Christian Yoruba, and the Eastern IGBO will not give him much support. Though he has money and might buy his way through.

^^^That Small country dear MMA, is a confederacy, i.e. each state runs its affairs. And you have been known to be against the Federal formula that I belive would go along way to solving our problems. ME. Efficiency enhancers (technicals)

^^^Kindly back this up with some evidance. What you say puts a new light into this story.

Qudhac thats some big accusations. Did you make them up or is that what he was arrested for?

^^^ When will the people of Marka and Barava dance on their beautiful beaches.

lol, Somalia is converted because you say so? Because Inda Cade and the baised clan media says so? Nothing has changed yet mate.