Mukulaalow;829958 wrote: and why divide Nugaal and sool, why divide Sanaag and Bari, bal taa ka jawaab xaaji. Mudug was one region i don't remember nugaal and sool being one region nor sanaag and bari being one region do you remember there were six regions in the south and 2 regions in the north at independence.

Nin ba beri igu yidhi Somali qabiil bay isku dishay wixi ay isku dileen bay ku heshiin kari wayeen balse hadana wax bay ku qeysbadeen wa ayno mar labaad isdilno.

General Duke;829950 wrote: What is clan federalism ? Also a unitary Somalia based on the 18 regions with NW Regiona part of the package is a great idea. No more nonsense about British Colonial borders. It's a step in the right direction. However all one is observing are the crocodile tears of the secessionists who seem even more confused lately. Clan federalism clan states based on clan qabil reer ama beel for the clan by the clan why divide mudug between galmudug and Puntland why divide Juba states between azana and jubaland why divide hiiraan state into 2 because of clan? i dont know you tell me??

Lets just see in the next 10 years if clan federalism works we will have this topic in the archives.

Abdul;829943 wrote: Xx,you should know that Sl is part of the package. if Somaliland is willing to be part of Somalia i welcome them to be part of a Unitary state instead of clan federalism.

With Clan federalism u will have little armies little regions various clan leaders fighting for power securing villages it will send Somalia back to the stone age , of Qabiilku ha wada loolaamo sidi laba qurumood eh.

Carafaat Unitary Somali State is the best way forward its the only thing Somalis know and its not confusing we should be careful though when it comes down to dictatorship Somalia needs to turn into a traditional democracy.

He went to the main market suuqa bacadlaha hargeysa sariflayasha suuqa hargeysa , and he visited jeelka weyn eeh hargeysa and berbera beach bataalaale along with that woman ina ibrahim.

Mukulaal maxa dhacay Simon muxu qalday.

By the way xamar Somali Portuqees Carab Persians Italians Dawlad Kacaan Dawladihi ka horeye mid walba wax bu ka dhisay.

Somalia;829918 wrote: Nin reer waqooyi oona tusiya magaalo kacaanka disay kacaanku ma wax reer koonfureed iska leeyihin bay ahayd mala caruur baad tahay kacaanku Somali oo dhan ba u dhama

Carafaat;829913 wrote: I am hearing from sources in Muqdisho that the secret draft constitution is based on a Unitary Somali State with strong unified regions based on 18 previous regions rather then Clan Federalism. If that is the case, then we have to support it. Because; Only a Unitary Somalia can stand up to foreign powers and international aid agencies. Only a Unitary Somalia can support and advocate (in future) for Somali in Western Somalia and NFD. Only a Unitary Somalia can end the conflicts throughout Somalia and reconciliate people. Only a Unitary Somalia can draw Somaliland back in to the Union. Only a Unitary Somalia can take part in global financial, economic and trade system. Only a Unitary Somalia can prevent prevent problems like food shortages, famine's, Only a Unitary Somalia can prevent Somali's from becoming a minority in their own country. Only a Unitary Somalia can stand up for the rights of Somali youth imprisoned everywhere in the world. Only a Unitary Somalia can guarantee the excistense and unity of the Somali people. Only a Unitary Somalia can fight extremist terrorist like Al Shabaab and Al Qaida. Only a Unitary Somalia can prevent that our (marine, oil, gas) resources are stolen by foreign powers. Only a Unitary Somalia can prevent piracy, illegal money printing, charcoal export. Only a Unitary Somalia can ensure all Somali's can live, travel and do business everywhere in Somalia. Only a Unitary Somalia can guarantee equality and justice of all Somali's irrelevent of their clan or where they li ve. Only a Unitary Somalia can prevent that we become in the first place citizens of/or Galmudugians, Ximan and Xeebs, Somalilanders, Puntlanders, Hiiraanians, Bakolians, Jubbians, Gedogian, Shabbelian, etc. Only a Unitary Somalia can guarantee wem all remain Somali's in the first place. This is the reason why I have opposed any form of a Federalist Somalia and have called upon everyone to renounce any consitution that would be based on anything else then a Unitary Somali State. All else in the constitution are minor details that can be changed and amended later. United we stand divided we fall its time to rebuild Somalia well said son

Ukraine Russia Nigeria south Africa Eritrea Ethiopia Israel as long as u have dollars no one cares about the embargo.

Nimankanki maraykanka laan laanti wa ku dawakheen But than again Americans are terrible at geography.

^^ Go where

Uchi we are talking about the well being of Somalia and its a future don't be all emotional on me now, Britain has nothing to do with this nor does the country belong to Europeans no to clan federalism.

Somaliland: Sheikh Sharif puts talks with SL back on Track Monday, 14 May 2012 18:14 Sheikh Sharif, The President, The Imaam & The WarlordBy: Yumoha Pasha NAIROBI (Somalilandsun) – President Sheikh Sharif of Somalia seems to have acceded to Somaliland demands pertaining to the composition of the TFG talks committee. The beleaguered TFG president is said to have removed the two Somaliland citizens who were the bone of contention from his ten man talk's technical committee. According to Somalilandsun and Hornnewspaper sources in Nairobi, the TFG revealed this decision to a group of Somalilanders whom he met in the Kenyan capital where he was on transit to Mogadishu. Although Sheikh Sharif is yet to make an official statement, our reliable sources informed that the TFG president has proposed a meeting between the chair's of the Somalia and Somaliland talks technical committees. Sh Sharif is reported to have categorically promised to sign agreements reached by the two committee leaders thus put the talks back in track as well as accede to the dictates of article six of the final communique of the February London conference on Somalia that imposed talks on the two countries. The Somaliland government which jump started the talks after president Silanyo appointed a five man technical committee later withdrew in protest against the inclusion of two Somalilanders in the 10 member TFG technical committee that was appointed by Sh Sharif. The decision to withdraw from the talks received wide acclaim from Somalilanders who were originally opposed to the talks with the Sh Sharif led TFG due to the perceived lack of popular support for the government whose mandate ends by August this year. The anti-talks campaign received support from a breakaway section of Somalia parliamentarians who cautioned against haste claiming that the corrupt TFG did not have the authority to sign any agreements reached or muscle to enforce the implementation of accords. Now that the president cum sheikh has made a reversal of his calculated inclusion of Somalilanders in his committee to talk to Somalilanders it is imperative that his calculated moves be discerned before we jump into his trap. The good sheikh and his TFG have of late been very pro-Somaliland, in their overt actions as can be surmised by the following reported acts; • The president of Somalia has revoked the TFG's recognition of the Khatuumo state as a regional administration within Somalia • The TFG has denied pro Khatuumo traditional elders participation in the Somalia constitutional process in Mogadishu. • President Sheikh Sharif of the TFG reveals his desire to address Somaliland grievances during a meeting with UCID opposition party leader Hon Feisal Ali Warabe in the UAE and finally • The TFG president has agreed to withdraw Somaliland citizens from his talks committee thus accede to Somaliland's demands. the president cum sheikh is a shrewd political player having turned from anti-American fighter while boss of the Islamic courts to a darling of the west as well having survived years of living in a bunker in a Mogadishu while president of a country under Al-shabaab. His further political genius is the purported bribery of some fake WAGOOYIZ to participate in the constitutional process as genuine traditional leaders from Somaliland thus authenticates his ulterior motive of pulling and pushing Somaliland to become part of the proposed Somalia road map. Hon TFG president Somalilanders tell you with one clear voice "ONCE BITTEN TWICE SHY" For 21 years we scrapped, begged, slept hungry, but we persevered while YOU traversed the world in a jet, dinning with presidents, your own TFG pocketing millions, WITHOUT a thought for us who you now call WALAALHAYAGA WAGOOYI (our northern brothers) just because you have realized that with or without your talks or agreement the international community will ultimately and sooner rather than later recognize Somaliland Well we shall agree to disagree or disagree to agree so long as this agreeing and disagreeing has nothing to do with our sacrosanct sovereignty

Nice sanaag looks beautiful

What you need in Somalia is all inclusive states or regions or provinces Lets go back to the former six regions of Somalia the days when galguduud and Mudug were united as one region.

Whats the difference between reer galmudug and reer Puntland why do they need different states reer galkacyo miyaanay isku dan ahayn they both want Somalia to come back, what is holding them back?

Somalia;829806 wrote: Galmudug is a success story. I don't know why you are sad, a few weeks ago you were welcoming Indhacade's proposal and the dawn of a new day. We must unite Galmudug and the rest. Its a great opportunity but it wont work in the long term.

King of kings federalism will never work in Somalia as for Somaliland if they want to reunify with Somalia they will never accept clan federalism but a decentralized system.

Federalism was introduced in 2003 and so far we only have one federal state and the other didn't even fulfill the criteria Galmudug it failed miserably, and now with the whole new constitution its taking a different route.

Layzie we people who want a decentralized state. Clan federalism failed.