^^ You really love conspiracy theories:D

Why Somalia needs to give Somaliland what the rest world refused to give Saed Faadi Jun 22 2012 OPINION On Wednesday June 20, 2012, historic talks between the Somali Transitional Federal Government and delegates from Somaliland have started direct talks on the long-term relation of two in London. The historic commencement of the dialogue presents both Somaliland and Somalia an opportunity to turn the page of the past and start writing a new page in history. The process is a long overdue deliberation on touchy issues. It is a historic exercise of future-determination long in the making. The outcome of the talks will either reintegrate the two sides back into the union or break them up into two separates state. But unfortunately, the political rhetoric on the ground is inflammatory, irreconcilable and alarming. Both sides look to have taken hard-line positions. That is why no one could dare to mention the ‘real’ issue in the first phase of the meeting. In the pre-conference press release, each party vowed to tender three non-negotiable key words to the negotiation table. For Somaliland, Dr. Mohamed Abdullahi’s men have taken the key words, the Will,Inspiration and Self-determination of the‘people’ of Somaliland close at their hearts while the TFG negotiators hold firmly the ‘sanctity’ of the Sovereignty, Territorial integrity and Independence of Somalia. Where will we go from here? What is beyond me is how the UK government – which is determined to broker a deal – will manoeuvre to bridge the gap of these contesting and divergent views. But my little bird tells me, no one waves a magic wand to end this diplomatic spat. I don’t have monopoly on intellect and wisdom but a viable proposal came to my head. And that is why I have decided to pen down this article to share with . Fast-forward to the history of Somaliland quest for independence. Somaliland aggressively – and sometimes desperately – pleaded the world to acknowledge its quest for independence in the past 21 years. But for reasons known to them, the world turned its back on its pursuit. The quest for independence seems to have hit a dead end. This put our brethren and compatriots in the north in an awkward and frustrating situation. The world slammed the door in their face shut! That is why Somaliland came back to Somalia looking for a shoulder to cry on. It has realised the fact that Somalis are the only genuine-blood-brothers they have. The world proved to Somaliland – beyond a reasonable doubt – that ‘blood is thicker than water’. Somaliland’s megalomaniac attitude against their fellow compatriots failed to gain any diplomatic score. And although Somaliland acts as if there will be no love lost in the break-up, Somalia is always reluctant and pessimistic about the consequence of the split-up. But as they say, you never miss the water till the well runs dry. What is my proposal? Methinks the TFG delegates in London should negotiate Somaliland with a spirit fully of emotions and mawkishness. They should reciprocate their acknowledgement and hand Somaliland what the rest of the world refused to. They should guarantee recognition and independence for Somaliland – pronto. Yes, the TFG delegates should put on a brave face and negotiate as if they are authorised with the strongest possible terms. Back at home, President Sharif should dispatch diplomatic shuttles to all over the world to propagate Somaliland quest for international recognition. He should instruct the PM and his cabinet to lobby in the diplomatic circles for Somaliland. Come on guys, let’s reflect the spirit of the ‘comeback’ and allow Hargaysa to burst with jubilant songs, music and Somali traditional folklore dance. If Somalia don’t recognise Somaliland, who will? And if not now, when? I know fanatical unionists cannot wait to hurl insulting comments on me. But hold your horses and allow me to explain my point with facts and figures. First, fanatics aside, and let’s put on our thinking hats to interrogate the logic of the two arguments on the table – the Sanctity of a Sovereignty of a country Versus the Will of the people. In contemporary politics of the world, the later carries the day. In this school of thought, sovereignty failed to stand the test of time -in the face of globalisation. Elements of global governance- UN, IGOs, NGO and Global Civil Society – has already called the state sovereignty into question. That is why Ambassador Augustine Philip Mahiga of UNPOS is the most powerful“political leader” in Somalia. On the contrary, the Will of the people is the only legitimate power of any civilized society. And it should be respected and defended at all cost. In plain English, the ‘will’ of the people is final. An old English adage says “one can take a horse to water but 20 cannot make it drink”. And as they claim – and I am judging their proclamations -the people of Somaliland have spoken ‘clear and laud’. And the foreign Minister’s men brought the table nothing but the “will” of the people. But this assertion will be, sooner than later, thoroughly interrogated. The argument Britain colonised the North and Italy the South does not hold water. It is impossible to divide the members of the same family along the straddles of colonial borders. That is why Somaliland needs to leave the world of phantom and fiction to come to terms with reality to precipitate the process of its recognition. What do I mean? Three of the regions, Somaliland stake a claim stand out of the secession plan. People of Sool, Sanag and Awdal regions are not part of the break-up. The is why Somaliland should magnanimously drop this bid. Finally, allow to explain my proposal with tested theories. For Somalia, I choose Charles Darwin’s theory of Natural Selection. The theory states, in part, that “ ………… the traits and characteristic of living creature begins to become more common and attractive during evolution”. If the traits and characteristics of the living creature become unattractive, extinction of that species is sure to follow. That is what the law of Natural Selection is teaching Somalia. In its current state, Somalia is unattractive and unpromising. A plethora of ugly and distasteful events tainted its image beyond its means. It has become a popular example of the most quintessential failed state in the world. And it is unfair – as it is unacceptable – to invite others to join it in the league of failed states. My unsolicited advice to the ‘unionists’ would be – put your house in order first before you come to the negotiation table. For Somaliland, it should consider the popular game theory in its divorce proposal. The zero-sum- games of this theory states that “one person’s gains is exactly equal to the net loss of the other rival”. This is a very cynical approach and it does not always work in real life situation. My point? Somaliland needs to compromise and consider a win-win solution. In football game, there are three possible scenarios – A win, lose or draw. Everyone strives to win and none wants to lose. But at times, inconclusive results are not bad results. One point is sacrificed to the birds and the remaining two are equally shared, 50 -50. As noted above, Somaliland brought the “Will of the people” on table. But the same chickens have come home to roost. As long as the‘will’ of the people is concerned, Somaliland has only two regions to pull out with. It does not command majority in the other three. People of Sool, Sanag and Awdal are for the union and against the secession. And their ‘will’ should be equally respected. Although, there are MPs and Ministers from these regions in the government of Somaliland, but their status is similar to that of the former TFG foreign Ministers – Ismail Hurre Buba and Mohamed Abdullahi Omaar and the likes. They are citizens who are entitled to their own opinion but they should not fool anyone. In patriotic American colloquial, they don’t represent Mom’s apple pie. Again my unsolicited advice for the secessionist would be -it is difficult to put toothpaste back to the tube when it is out. So you better chew this blind secession project over and come to the negotiation table with a final word. I hope, Somaliland won’t behave as this spoilt brat boy who refuses to drink milk when the mother is begging him to do so and carries when she decides to returns the milk back to its container.

^^ The Guurti elders of Somaliland in 1991 the legitimate Assembly of Somaliland in 1991.

Carafaat;844173 wrote: London Oo Wadahadaladaasi Ka Furmay Waxa Kaga Haboonayd In Lagu Qabto Hargeysa, Sheekh Shariif Iyo Cidii Wada-Hadal Doonaysaana Ay Halkan Inoogu Yimaadaan- Suldaan Maxamed Kampala- (HWN)-Suldaanka guud ee beelaha Somaliland Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan C/qaadir ayaa sheegay in Magaalada London ee uu http://hadhwanaagmedia.info/detail.aspx?id=69595 Its two early for that lets hold the first meeting between the two Presidents in a Foreign Country if they reach an agreement Sh sharif should be the first head of state to visit the Somaliland republic.

Amazing Historical hada wada hadaladi labaad phase two ba lo diyaargaroobaya Madaxweynaha Jamhuuriyada Somaliland iyo Madaxweynaha Dawlada kumeel gaadhka Somalia Sh sharif Axmed qatar or dubai you pick. Xaalku meel wanaagsan bu ku socda i was talking to an MP the other day in Hargeysa the guurti will pass a few laws on the new agreement between Somalia and Somaliland. We broke the ice for the first time in 21 years finally a partner to talk two on the other side.

I just one mans opinion Majority of Somalilanders trust President siilaanyos policy in dealing with Somalia in dialogue and at the same time seeking international recognition from the international community. These are mostly former udubist the talks just started its a long process it will not be solved in one or two days if you listened to Somalia's TFG minister he said arimaha xasaasiga oo dhani wano hadhasnyihin wana bilow wada hadaladu .

^^ The vote already happened 2 decades ago:D

Che do you support sharif for another term?

AUN

Somaliland future discussed in UK Leaders from Somalia and Somaliland have held their first formal discussions on the future of the self-proclaimed Somaliland republic. It broke away in 1991 and wants to be a separate country - but it has not been internationally recognised. Mogadishu wants the northern territory to be part of a single Somali state. Since declaring independence, Somaliland has enjoyed relative peace in contrast to the rest of Somalia, which has been plagued by conflict Timing of talks The BBC's Peter Biles, who was at the talks near London, says that although they were preparatory, they were nonetheless something of a breakthrough. It was the first time in 21 years that there had been formal, direct contact between the authorities in Mogadishu, and the Somaliland administration, which used to be a British colony, whereas southern Somalia was governed by Italy. The two sides agreed the talks should continue and, in a declaration, they called on their respective presidents to meet as soon as possible - this could be as early as next week in Dubai. They also called on the international community to help provide experts on legal, economic and security matters, which our correspondent says are all issues that will need to be addressed in clarifying the future relationship between Somalia and Somaliland. Significantly, they've also agreed to co-operate in the fight against terrorism and piracy. However, our correspondent says the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia and the Somaliland administration are still poles apart on the central issue of Somaliland's status. Britain, Norway and the European Union have said they want the two sides to negotiate a settlement. Somaliland agreed to enter into the talks during a February meeting in London, when 40 global leaders met to tackle piracy, terrorism and political instability in Somalia. But its administration says its priority is to remain separate from the rest of Somalia - and wants Mogadishu to recognise its independence. Analysts have questioned the timing of the talks - the mandate of Somalia's transitional government expires in August when it is due to hand over to an elected president. Somaliland unilaterally declared independence after the overthrow of Siad Barre - who led Somalia's last functioning national government. It is relatively stable and holds regular elections, which have seen peaceful transfers of power - unlike the rest of the country, which has been racked by continued conflict ever since.

Short interview with Mudane Xirsi Chief of cabinet of Somaliland and Faisal cali waraabe ucid party chairman

burahadeer;843996 wrote: Desperate fake unionists can keep dreaming................only thing left with them is argue for what they know deep down their hearts is not attainable.....really can see tears coming down these posts. War iska daa niyo niyada ha ku dhistaan eh:D Burah Somaliland gives them hope aad ha ugu cadayn:D

xiinfaniin;843995 wrote: A-Khadar is right m kala go'o ma jiro, Jacaylbaro knows this forum can never be substitute for the political reality on ground both locally , and nationally. Siilaanyo has finally taken a bold step with the cover of international help and in the veneer of national respect , he's doing what those before him could never dare do... good for him. The mark has been put on the question of representation, the composition of committees clearly shows that. This is indeed a welcome development for all those concerned. You have been saying that for 21 years still wax midnimo ma hayno between Somaliland and Somalia The Political reality on the ground is Somaliland is not giving up its statehood. Siilaanyo is a servant of the nation and he thinks using different methods achieving state recognition should be put in practice we welcome that, so don't get to excited.

^^ Bal weynu eegi halkay ka degto:D

So much qabyalaad so much hate all off you seek help

Adan jugle thats how it starts with talking Somalia finally has something that resembles a government how the hell could Somaliland get recognition from Warlords in the 90s or Abdiqasim hiding in a hotel in Mogadishu. Or Abdilahi Yusuf and the Ethiopian mercenaries or the Islamic courts union. Saaxib Somaliland didn't even try they didn't even approach Somalia i can assure you Somaliland and Somalia talks and restoring their relations as two separate independent states next to each other is the most easiest thing. But it wasn't done because Somaliland didn't approach Somalia and Somalia was busy fighting among themselves.This is the best timing there is a government now in Somalia and Somaliland is willing to talk and Somalia its self wants to come to the negotiating table there is no problem the international community will facilitate talks between the two countries or the two Presidents soon.

^^ The transition will end any way whether Somaliland or Somalia likes it didn't you listen to edo Hillary Clinton

Wonderful excellent well done both Sides Somaliland and Somalia

Maad qabilka iska deysid inadeer meeshan Qabiil iyo waxa laga ma ogala.

Aadan Jugle;843949 wrote: For you even if somaliland was flushed down the toilet is historic. But any sane somalilander can see the situation today clearly, Dr Beenaale insisted time and time again that these talks would be about the future of somaliland's nationhood, and all of sudden when he was asked today he said "somaliland'd nationhood wasn't even in the agenda", and further when he was asked what would Siilaanyo ahd Mr Dalxiis will discuess he couldn't say so. Its pretty clear and obvious unless you are deaf and mute that you were told plenty of times that Somalia's unity is not nogatiable, its in the constitution that was sponsered and payed for by these same "IC" you seem to regard as omnipotent. So what part you don't seem to understand. If drag these sort of talks and meetings we will confuse our population and that could wreck our stand and divide us. Everytime we go to these endless meetings we are weakening our position and the southers will see it as a softening of somaliland resolve, the process should be limited it should have been done in simple 2 stages period, there is nothing to discuess but somaliland's stathood and after then we can talk about fishing and hunting lizard agreements. this is dangerous and siilaanyo's agenda is obvious. You seem a bit worried about the koonfurians there is nothing there to be afraid of Somalia's government barely controls the Banadir region Somalia its self is divided more than anything the TFG is one of the many entities of Somalia. If you compare it to Somaliland an elected government an elected parliament territorial control. Adan this is the first phase of the talks they were paving the road for the next phase of talks between the two Presidents this is heading the right direction you have to give talks a chance this is the way to get state recognition for Somaliland.

Che -Guevara;843947 wrote: I am actually liking this now:-) I told you talks is good now and it should start now and not in a few years time.

^^ Oke so you're prefer Ina waran cade's policy declare war on Somalia or Mohammad xaashi not calling them brothers Adan Jugle , President Siilaanyo is playing people's diplomacy the talks between Somaliland and Somalia was suggested in the London conference by the the international community they will be present when such talks are being planned. Somaliland is in better situation than Somalia when it comes to talks. Somalia cannot refuse anything Somaliland called for all legal recruitments to do the legal legal framework between Somaliland and Somalia SL just need to prepare the next talks between the two countries its all well this was a historical day.

Its a start Somaliland and Somalia talked for the first time after 21 years it has a long way to go Somaliland and Somalia agreed to fight against terrorism and piracy this was not the case they also agreed to set up another committee and continue the talks. Also the two Presidents will meet shortly in one of the Arab countries to continue further talks between Somaliland and Somalia this is a good step we should welcome this.President Siilaanyo broke the ice his policy is working when it comes to foreign policy.

DEGDEG: Shariif oo shirka ka carooday,Faroole iyo Gaas oo kasoo horjeestay’iyo Shirkii oo Xaalkiisa Allow sahal Noqday 21. juni 2012 allpuntland Shirkii lexda Saxiixayaasha oo qilaaf uu hareeyay iyo Madaxwayne Shariif oo diiday Nuqul laysku raacay. Warar hordhac oo kasoo baxayo Shirka kasoconaya Dalka Kenya ayaa waxay sheegayaan in Shirka maanta uu qilaaf wayn uu hareeyay lexda Saxiixayaasha ee shirka ugu soconaya Nairobi. Qobada laysku dhaafi la’yahay ayaa waxaa kamid ah Noqulo laba ah oo ay kala wataan Madaxda Maamulada iyo Dowlada. Madaxwaynaha Soomaaliya Shariif Sheekh Axmad ayay arinta meelxun kagaartay kadib markii uu sicad ugu sooo horjeestay Nuqul Cusub oo dastuurka ah’ oo qaarkamid ah Lexda saxiixayaash ay tageereen. Ra’iisulwasaare Cabdi Wali Maxamad Cali gaas,Madaxwayne Cabdiraxmaan Sheekh Maxamed Faroole iyo Wasiirka Dastuurka Cabdiraxmaan Xoosh jabriil ayaa tageeray in laqaato Nuqulka Cusub halka Shariifna uu warkaas gaashaanka kudhuftay. Warar hoose ayaa sheegaya in shirka madaxwaynaha Soomaaliya uu kacarooday ,oo uu uqaatay in isaga lagu wada goobanayo. Wakiilada kusugan Shirka ayaa kadhaa dhinacanaya in Lexda Saxiixayaasha in labada Qodob oo uu midna madaxwaynaha taageerayo kakalana ay tageerayaan Gaas’faroole’iyo C/raxmaan Xoosh Jabriil in laqaato mid kamid ah si looga gudbo qilaafka. Shirkaan Dalka Kenya ugu soconaya Saxiixayasha Roadmap-ka ayaa lagu waday in lasoo gaba gabeeyo maanta lakiin warar ayaa sheegaya in beri uu udhacay xiritaankiisa.