Open a nursery or become a child minder. Voila! You’ll have time to be a good mummy to yours and ours.

I didn’t think it was really that bad (for a first day). They gave us real news and covered important topics. The BBC news on the other hand, was talking about the changeover between Blair and Brown, some man who killed his family and the latest Bond film! Sky news was not much better. I was talking to a friend about this channel last night (a Somali friend). He infuriated me with his contention that ‘Al Jazeera Somali ba eska leh’! Apparently, yesterday, they not only had a report by Mr Raggah Omar and another about the situation in Somalia, they also had a program called Everywoman that included an interview with a Somali expert on skin whitening products (her name was Amina Mirre – maybe I should google her info and put it on that ‘inspirational’ Somali women thread). Anyway, with such a Somali theme running through the spine of the first day’s broadcast, my friend was convinced that an invisible Somali hand was ruling that channel. Of course, it goes without saying, he was chewing at the time.

Apart from one or two with distinctive voices I’m really yet to come across a Somali singer worth talking about. It seems to be all about the lyrics of the song or else the late Magool would not really have made it in Music. Not wishing to talk ill of the dead, she did really have a voice like that sounded like a goat trying to clear its throat. But I’m sure that she was a very nice lady.

It’s a very eerie and hypnotising stare, wouldn’t you say? The posture is even more alarming! Observe the hands on thighs and the erect way he seems to be sitting, ready to bounce any minute. What a fascinating photo, and I have not even looked at the wives yet. Heh.

Val, If you look closely at the groom (come on just stare at him for five seconds) you’ll see that he’s already decided to have you as his number three. Look! Look!

Originally posted by General Duke: ^^^Saxib, stop with the nonsence. We in Puntland are confident of defending our land and interest just like any other clan in Somalia. The clan courts are a clan we have lived with for centuries, nothing new about this type of conflict.. Heh. Was merely trying to elevate the discussion from this pathetic chest beating into something more tangible and readable, soldier. Still, maybe you’re not yet ready for a proper discussion on this subject and are only paving the way for a later assault. It’s a shame really. I personally would have loved to read your take on this issue. And, when I say your take I don’t at all mean empty boasts with nothing to support it but rather a solid case and argument. Ah well, I suppose that when those arguing against you are almost all going on about how the Courts are god’s chosen people that will conquer all in their way you really have no choice but to respond in kind. Lets hope that, in time, you all get tired of the bravado and finally get round to discussing the subject at hand with the respect it deserves. Where are Tolstoy and Samurai Warrior when one most needs their input!

This whole story is as fascinating as my third ear! Sorry, can’t offer you any advice here but maybe your doctor friend can do something about my annoying third ear. It’s the echo you see...

Originally posted by B0B: if you are a true SOMALI and have the best interest for SOMALIS & SOMALIA in the heart then stop criticizing the real Somali men who dedicated their lives to protect Allah's religion and keep Somalia a Muslim country and stop committing a sin against Allah by singing the praises of the unworthy..namely the Warlords who don't care about mother Somalia and its Somali offspring. Salam Aleikum W.W Peace, Love & Unity. [/QB] Ouch, Bob! Never thought you capable of such sanctimonious and holier-than-thou balderdash, saaxib! Blind support of anyone is the height of recklessness, my friend. One can only give total support if one knows what he is supporting. The ICU fans in SOL need a total makeover. You need a change of approach and maybe a few catchy slogans. But, most of all, what you need (and this is to you personally) is some common sense. It will be real sad if this thread descended into boasts about one’s Somalnimo and strength of Iman when it could have been much more informative and helpful to the originator of the thread and others. Modesty’s first post seems to be crying out for reassurance from the ICU fans. How will the Courts treat women? She seems to say! Will women lose their rights like some of those in Saudi Arabia? She asks. Can a woman expect to have a position of responsibility in any ICU administration? Am I unnecessarily panicking here or is my anguish justified? She wonders! (I know I’m speaking for her here and that there is a very small, almost non-existent chance that I might be wrong but I doubt it). How would the Courts sell themselves to the womenfolk of Somalia? How should these women expect to be treated? How can you (Bob & Nur) get these girls to bat for your side? Sell, sell, sell...

North, Of course I did. I’ll go as far as saying that I looked very elegant and stylish in my white dishdashas. The thing you’re talking about is found in Omani dishdashas. I have no idea what it is for. But for all the other stuff, here is a quick guide (with a smiling model no less).

Come on come on, boys and girls. Lets not squabble and daydream here. Be brave, nail your colours to the mast and tell us, in strategic and military terms why you believe your side will win. What are the military capabilities of Puntland? How favourably (or unfavourably) does it compare to that of the ICU? How sure is the Puntland administration of its people? Is there a possibility of finding a Fifth Column in their midst? Most importantly, for the uninformed amongst us, what tribal implications do these new skirmishes promise? And, does this latest fight work along a clear tribal divide or are they still all mixed up? It’s much better and more entertaining when one can boast about their side’s looming victory whilst also giving a somewhat critical analysis of the situation (as critical is your rose tinted shades would allow of course). Who dares to step in first?

^^^ Seeker really wants to go to Egypt. It's just her cold that's making her get her words all mixed up. Anyway, tell me, how is the Arab working life treating you? ...fun is it not?

Originally posted by AYOUB_SHEIKH: What "was" your "highest" moment? Did you not see the big smile after the words 'the mum gave us her room'?

^^^ Stop showing off, silly. You don't even wear a niqaab.

Cambaro, Again, you’re mixing your causes here. The attacks on Islam in the media are there for everyone to see. Making a stand is a must. On those two points I am in total agreement with you. However, we still have to pick our arguments carefully. When the faith allows such a lawyer flexibility in her actions yet she chooses to be stubborn, why should I support her petulant stance? I think she has made the wrong choice. You can’t force the world to follow your desires. Here, imagine if she was the defendant instead of being the lawyer. Lets say she was accused of murder or something. Would you expect her to wear her niqaab in court and would you agree that she should not be asked to show her face to the judge? Don’t assume that the accused here is guilty by the way. Wearing your niqab in the street, as you travel or if you’re window-shopping is all fine in my humble opinion. However, when you come into contact with people (such as the bus driver, the cashier in the shop or a judge) it all becomes business and one can’t see how showing your face as you conduct your business is in any way an invitation for fitnah and what have you (remember, avoiding fithanh was the reason for the niqab in the first place).

Sophist, I had to quickly google one of those Latin phrases. And yes, it’s possible that you are maybe right. But that’s if we’re talking straightforward judgments without any human feelings involved. With such feelings however, the whole case changes. The judge might not take in all she says because he’ll be curious, fascinated or distracted by her clothes. Surely every last little thing about the lawyer’s performance must help the client. Or else we would not need any lawyers to be present in court and we would only rely on dry, bland reports to be presented to judges for final decisions! Ps How effective would such a lawyer be in cases that involve juries? PPS Here she is. Recognise her now? I thought you would. Did the LBC together I bet

I thought the SNM as a military faction was disbanded long ago! Or maybe.... In 1992, a crack commando unit was left jobless after liberating Somaliland. These men promptly created their own bandit group and are prowling the streets of Hargiesa. Today, still ignored by the government, they survive as bandits of fortune. If you have a problem barber, if no one else can burn him, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...the SNM Gangs.

^^^ Have you not hired a nanny yet, ayaayo? What a glutton for punishment you are!

^^^^ You’re blowing a burst balloon there, saaxib. Common sense went out the window the minute we perceived an attack on Islam and Islamic values. Still, in the case of this lawyer I really fail to see how her thinking process goes when she knows that she’ll come up against many judges (who are not Muslim) that will be prejudiced against her clients purely because the advocate is wearing the ‘wrong’ attire. Wrong or right the lawyer’s responsibility should be to her client here. Surely if you’re going to do a job you need to attempt to do it perfectly and avoid the obvious pitfalls in your way instead of attempting to bulldoze them with your political stances! Bravado and emotional principles will eventually create a domino effect that will harm more veil-wearing sisters than this petulant lawyer. But, whom am I kidding here. The clash of civilisations has well and truly begun and every little corner from school to courts of law is a battlefield.

Lawyers 'can wear veils in court' Legal advisers and solicitors may wear the Islamic veil in court unless it interferes with the "interests of justice", judges have been told. The judiciary were told to use their discretion to interpret the temporary guidance, which covers all courts. The advice was issued by immigration tribunals chief Mr Justice Hodge after a case had to be halted when a legal adviser refused to remove her veil. The Lord Chief Justice said full rules on the veils issue were being drawn up. Case adjourned Earlier this week it emerged legal adviser Shabnam Mughal had refused to remove her headwear during an immigration tribunal in Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire. She had been asked to do so by Judge George Glossop, who said he could not hear her properly. Eventually Judge Glossop adjourned the hearing to seek advice from president of the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal (AIT) Mr Justice Hodge. It is understood the hearing will now go ahead next week with a different judge presiding. The case followed weeks of controversy over the wearing of Muslim veils. Last month teaching assistant Aishah Azmi, 23, lost an employment tribunal case after being suspended from her position at a school in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, for refusing to remove her veil in class. Issuing the interim guidance on Thursday, Mr Justice Hodge said: "Immigration judges must exercise discretion on a case-by-case basis where a representative wishes to wear a veil. "The presumption is that if a representative before an AIT tribunal wishes to wear a veil, has the agreement of his or her client and can be heard reasonably clearly by all parties to the proceedings, then the representative should be allowed to do so. 'Arrangements will vary' "If a judge or other party to the proceedings is unable to hear the representative clearly then the interests of justice are not served and other arrangements will need to be made. "Such arrangements will vary from case to case, subject to judicial discretion and the interests of all parties." The guidance applies to all courts. Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers said he had asked the equal treatment advisory committee of the Judicial Studies Board to develop detailed guidance on the use of veils by all people involved in court cases - including the parties, legal representatives, witnesses, jurors and magistrates. Source

quote: Pick a line and dissect it instead of worrying about its correct placement on this forum. Originally posted by Socod_badne: Why would I wanna dissect poetry? To what practical end? What is to be gained by dissecting fiction? And even if you did attempt to dissect it, what empirical evidence can you present that'll show these quotes to be wrong? None! And that's my point. NOt only is any evidence against them be imponderable but the quotes themselves are imponderable as they only exist in language, not in reality. [/QB]

Originally posted by Socod_badne: Shouldn't this be posted in poetry section? Hasty rambler. Reading the title of the thread I would have thought this should really be posted in the Women section. Reading the first line of the thread (where he says: interesting quotes) my first instinct would have been to expect to read such stuff in the Joke section. The quote about amusement and kufr would not be out of place in the Islam section. The one about extremism can both fit into the Islam and Politics section. The quotes about the ego and those (quotes) that follow it could easily be put forward as a subject on the Camel Milk Debate section. So, in conclusion, and I accept no counter arguments on this, the thread is too General to place, son. Pick a line and dissect it instead of worrying about its correct placement on this forum.

Originally posted by Valenteenah: ^ Perhaps. Or it could be that there is less information online about some of the more successful women out there. That's good. We don't want our women to put their faces in public for every Tom, Dick and Harry to look at. Cover up.

Why do Somali men become Bus drivers? Why do they open restaurants and Internet cafes? Why is Dubai’s Gold Suuq full of Somali Hotels? What’s with the One Pound Shops (One Dollar if you’re American)? It’s fine to have ambition and dream of studying Geology, Geography or Advanced Latin. But when push comes to shove and you need to acquire a job, you would need to ask around and find information about these jobs. Nursing is a great profession. It’s not easy to study but once you qualify it’s one of those careers where you’re almost guaranteed a job (not many other careers have such guarantees). Secondly, on the issue of careers and ambitions, you’ll be surprised to find that not many people are that ambitious! For the majority, their ambition (career wise) only extends as far as acquiring a degree in a respectable subject and securing some sort of well-paid job. Not everyone that studies law is a passionate lawyer that would effortlessly quote Cicero or even Atticus Finch (Or Shakespeare’s: first thing we do is kill the lawyers ). Most just probably wanted to be lawyers and are now doing the job like everyone else and are happy with whatever position they carved for themselves in their particular firm/field. However, one or two might harbour dreams of becoming QCs or, in time, becoming an authority in their particular area of expertise (but that’s just one or two). The same would apply to Doctors, engineers and scientists. It’s the way of the world. For example, how many doctors have you met that were the sons of doctors. How many lawyers (I’m not talking about Somalis alone here)? In short, I think the majority of people choose their careers according to the information they happen to have at their fingertips at the time. A Somali woman can easily find out all she needs to know about nursing from a dozen people that she knows. A Somali man can easily find out about Bus Driving or Restaurant owning (requirements) from a hundred people he knows. Success after that really depends on the individual. Having said all of that, in these modern days, people’s ambitions and passions sometimes have nothing to do with careers. You’ll find some men (and women) that are passionate about stamp collecting would travel the world to attend exhibitions on the subject but would not necessarily have a career in the mail business. A case in point is our very own JB! Did you know that he is a fanatic Star Trek fan? In fact, after dumping his last partner (O’Hara) he had to redecorate his bedroom in the shape of Voyager’s bridge just to accommodate his new partner (Seven of Nine). True Story.

^^^ We're talking perfection here, are we not?

^^^ You want her to ask for a divorce just because she was not in the mood one night? :eek: Force of any kind is never nice.