Oops! I made a couple of visits to Somaliland in the past couple of years. As for the article itself, I can't stand the idea of talking about your marriage to anyone. Worse still, I could never understand how Somalis do it. The rest is stuff and nonesense.

^^ They sent the wrong list, did they? It was supposed to be the scholarship students list.

http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/10275-Mobile-phones?highlight=mobile

Malika;835560 wrote: The swahilis, believe the husband is yours once he is indoors, he is any ones when he is out and about..Loool. There is an Arab folktale about a man who married a new wife. The maid of the new wife walked past the first wife's house and recited a couple of verses from a well known poem (maids are right cows ): ما يستوي الثوبان, ثوب به البلي وثوب بأيدي البائعين جديد (two dresses can't be equated; one is tattered and the other is still new in the hands of the sellers) So, quick as a flash, the maid of the first wife replied: نقل فؤادك حيث شئت من الهوي ما الحب الا للحبيب الاول كم منزل في الارض يألفه الفتي وحنينه ابدا لأول منزل (Let your heart roam wherever you desire Love is but for your first lover Countless are the places a youth get used to But his longing always remains to the first one)

AYOUB;835548 wrote: NG, But you did raid the fridge because the risk was worth it. I was young and didn't know any better back then. Which is why, in my first reply here, I mentioned that it's a sign of immaturity. Keep up.

AYOUB;835094 wrote: Waa runtaa. No justification for cheating, but stop being Farah and give credit where due. Being caught must be out-weighed by "too much to lose". Nope. Being caught is a bigger worry for me. It's a personal thing, man. I never liked mother catching me taking a drink out of the fridge without asking. I never liked the idea of cheating in school in case I got caught, and I never would like being caught with my shorts downs (in both the literal and figurative sense). It's not about wives, parents or friends, saaxib. It's about self worth and knowing that The NGONGE is never this vulgar. Control, adeer, control.

Sayid*Somal;835537 wrote: اللُّهُمَّ إِنِّي أَعُوذُ بِكَ مِنَ الْخُبْثِ وَالْخَبَائِثِ Waa into Caalin yedhi marko toiletka galayay. Ma waxaad leedahay way o socon wayday, Sayido?

Addis, May 2012 In a break in the meeting of the Somali Roadmap signatories, The Galmudug 'president' goes to answer the call of nature. As he's relieving himself and muttering the words "wale inaanan ogalaan, Sharif iyo xirtiisa ima dhici karaan", he hears a sound coming from the cubical behind him. He looks around only to see a half closed door with a four fingered hand beckoning him over with the sound "psstt, psstt". “acoodo bi allah min qooma loot” says the president loudly. “war waa aniga” comes back the reply. “Yaa? Maxaad tedhi? Adiga a? Ma xita Somalida xanuunka la baray? Najina!” “War waa cabdiraxman, bal yara kaalay” shouts the person behind the door “Noocaga magacyada illahy in lago daro may aheen” replies a disgusted Caalin “War waa Farole, axmaqyaho. Waxan doonaya in aan kaala tashado arrinta shirkaan aan ku jirno” says the Imam. “Ma Faroole ba? Aax! Hada in ay xabadi maqantahay waan arkayay” says an excited Caalin “Haa. Bal kaalay intaanay cidi na arkin” whispers an agitated Imam “Haye. Maxa so kurdhay?” asks a curious Caalin. “Qoladi TFGda siday inoo galeen ma argtay?” asks a conspiratorial Imam. “Haa! Sharif iyo Cabdi wali ayaa buskotkii wada boobay” answers a livid Caalin “War buskotka iska ilow, aniga mid ka fiican kuu keeni markaad Garowe igu timaadid” says a frustrated Imam “Horomar” laughs a suspicious Caalin. “Waxaan ku idhi, ma argtay ragii siday o fadheesteen? Kurasida ogo fiican bay wada fadheesteen! Anaga na koonahay na fadheesiyeen!” says a hurt Imam “Waa runtaa! Agtaaday I fadheesiyaan!” says a disappointed Caalin. “War ragga waa inaan iska cilino” says a determined Imam “Haye, maxano samiina?” asks a puzzled Caalin “Istanbul markaan tagno wa inaano kuraasida ogo fiican lana fadheesyo” Argues the Imam. “Waa runta. Agtada hadii ay mar kale la I fadheesyo wabaan cadhoonaya” Says Caalin. “Haa! Madaxdo waa in ay is ag fadheestaan. Sheikh Sharif labadiisa dhinac wa inay na fadheesiyaan” states a resolute Imam. “Sax! Cabdi wali iyo kii qoslaayay wa inay xaga kale fadheestan” adds an animated Caalin. “Marka maxaano yeelna?” asks a probing Imam. “Mahiga aan ka codsano ino kuraasida inoo badalo” Suggests a pondering Caalin. “Mahiga naga daa, waxba inoo ma kurdhinyo, ninyaho” says a resigned Imam. “Hada maxan sameena?” asks a perplexed Caalin “Shrika Turkiga waan diidaynaa inaan ka qayb galno” says a scheming Imam “War ha odhan! Turkida lacag badan ayaay igu balan qadeen. Anigo ma diidi karo” says a beseeching Caalin. “Axmaq baad tahay aan siyaasada wax ka aqoon, Caalino. Been been bano ku diidayna” says an emphatic Imam. “Been been?” asks a perplexed Caalin. “Haa. Siyaasad iyo wax aan jirin ayaan ka cabanayna. Kolay Turkido way nala yaabayeen markaasay na odhan, “maxa dhacay? Oo maxad nago diideen?” waba markay kubbada inoo salaxayaan oo arrinta kurasida o sheegi doono. Miyay kula tahay in ay na diidi karan?” asks a triumphant Imam “Maya. Maya. Xareef baad tahay Faroolo” Answers an impressed Caalin. “Hadaba aniga baritoole warqaad aad ila saxixdid ku keeni doona” says a resolute Imam “Warqaad maxay? Anigo waxba ma saxiixyo” answers a worried Caalin. “War waa warqaad aan ku diidno shirka Istanbul. Labada yada saxiixaya oo websityadaan o dirayna. Wax fahan” says an increasingly agitated Imam. “Ma tii kuraasida?” asks Caalin. “Haa, waa tii kuraasida” answers a despondent Imam. “Sax. Qor warqada, Faroolo, Qor” says a joyous Caalin “Hadaba barito ha inoo ahaato. Iminka na iga bax aan kaa kaajay” says a dismissive Imam. “Waayahay. Eeen..een..buskutka Garowe guurmaad ii keeni?” (pardon any mistaks in the Somali. It was a twenty minute job).

rudy-Diiriye;835029 wrote: yeah..i am sediy..or brother-low if u cant understand my spelling of the somali word. So can i get some respect Heh. Brother in law? And you're encourging me to play around. For shame, rudy, for shame.

rudy, are you married these days? I thought you weren't.

AYOUB;835013 wrote: Translation: Mrs NGONGE is a dream of a lady and my love and respect for her increases as time goes by. Cheating never crossed my mind ileen nin loo duceeye/a baan ahay.* Not the point. Mrs NG could be a right witch and I would still do the same thing. Would you have the energy for all the lies, cover ups and games that such people play, Ayoub? (regardless of love and all that other nonesense). Fear of being found out or caught with your shorts down is a much bigger deterrent than love, saaxib.

^^ How do I explain that one dee? Just assume that people will work it out from the story itself. Heh.

^^ Like I said, if you go down that root you might as well pay a prozzie, saaxib.

rudy-Diiriye;834985 wrote: ngonge lpos...liar liar pants on fire!! since stone-age both sides having be cheating. However, rule is suppose to be hit n run way back since stone age. However, modern confused man is not following these rules and hence getting burned big time. I stick with the og rule. u keep her around, u gonna be nothing but a sugga-daddy! If it's hit & run, why don't you save yourself and open an account with a prostitute, rudy?

^^^ You want me to translate all of that? (dee maad af somali ku qortid) BLOCK! BLOCK! BLOCK! (A Facebook Addicted Family) Girl: Some fool sent me an 'add' request on FB! Angry Dad: Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat???? Mother: OMG! Curse you, girl. Did I not tell you not to stay up all night on FB? Young Brother: Who is this animal, sister? I swear I'm going to get all my FB friends together and we'll send him lots of "reports" until we jam his account. Clever brother: Sister, maybe the man means well and wants to marry you! Father: Are you stu pid, son? If he were a respectable man with halal intentions he would have sent ME the add request, not your sister. She brought shame to your family and made people talk about us in FB. The dad slaps the girl and ordres her to delete her FB account. Mother: Steady on, man. She only has girls on her friends list, and I know all their mothers. Father: Actually, this is all your fault and a result of your bad upbringing. Go you are BLOCKD. BLOCKD. BLOCKD! The family is now broken. Some are on twitter, some are on google+ and some are back to the darkness of MSN. (The neighbour puts 'like' in total glee).

LANDER;834914 wrote: lol...apparently being a waffling Somalilander gets you cool points on this forum. Bit late, aren't you? My "waffling" came true.

I can’t understand where such men get their energy from. And, when I say energy, I don’t mean any physical exploit s or excess virility. What I mean is the headache of juggling all this extra work and forever trying to cover their tracks. Furthermore, since I believe all women to be mad, I consider it reckless for any man to attach himself to, have any amorous dealings with or maintain contact with more than one woman. It shows a lack of control and a whiff of immaturity That, of course, is not to say that I am some sort of a mullah (much as I would love to be one) and that I wouldn’t steal a glance at a pretty skirt should it ever glide past me. However, like pretty flowers in a garden, or sweets in a shop; once I picked one for keeps, I merely stare at the rest in admiration. As for the topic, I knew a guy that had an entire SIM card for his bits on the side that he only put in his phone once he left the house (and not even all the time; it was a two hour window of opportunity). He wasn't much fun to hang around with because all his conversations revolved around women. (toobad keen warya).

Carafaat;834929 wrote: Xaajiyoow, if Somaliland and Somalia talk and unite again, all this clan states can be ended. And we can put the jinni back in the bottle. You do realise that these two will eventually go to the conference, don't you? It's all a bit of horse trading and trying to extract as many concessions as possible before attending the meeting (heck, even SL is doing that). As for Turkey having ulterior motives, well that's an obvious smoke screen (even if it were true), because it will not only be Turks and Somalis in that conference, the usual suspects will also be there and, when push comes to shove, Turkey can not force its own agenda on the meeting without the say so of the other world powers. The Imam realises this and understands the whole 'spoiler' tag but, like a little kid, he's sulking and thinking that a tantram will get him what he wants. Lets see how it developes.

Abtigiis;831478 wrote: Waryaa Ngonge, ma cadhoonin, maxaan la cadhoon ma Uchi baan ahay? I only pointed out your below par cantarbaqash! But seriously, we understand why you downplay the renaissance of national consciousness among the grassroot somalis, Perhaps because you do not know about it, but more probably because such narratives are damaging to your efforts to find legitimacy and moral cover for secessionist aspirations. The advent of political parties that are recruiting members along clan divide is a sheer indicator of a growing appetite for new clan-free political dispensation and organisation in Somalia. This is not what naysayers who gauge somali political temperature from london tea shops and not from ceelasha biyaha want to hear. Again with the "we"? My motives for asking could be anything (up to and including the accusations you make) the questions still stand and could be asked by anyone. Kuwa maxaad ku odhan? Dee ma hawaad iga iibinaysaa adeer? It's me, remember.

Abtigiis;831468 wrote: Mario, War ninkan Ngonge dee sheekada iyo taarikhda somalida waxay uga bilaabataa aydhi-aydh kii (88). Dagaaladii SNM ta ayaa ugu horeeeyey sheeko Somali markaa halkaa wixii ka horeeyey lama waydiiyo.Rayaale, Faroole iyo waxaas unbuu fahmayaa. Bal C/risaaq Xaaji Xuseen muxuu ahaa waydii? Waa Af-hayeenka Alshabab buu ku odhan! I don't know him nor do I need to know him to spot nonesense when I see it. Maxaad la cadhootay dee? You wrote some sensationalist cantarbaqash and I pointed it out to you.

Mario, And yet, and yet, and yet..IT IS! Abtigiis;831459 wrote: Ngonge, This is not a discussion on the shalloweness or depth of Somali politics. It is about demanding from some somali political leaders a modicum of nationalism. As an ardent secessionist who identifies himself first as an 'I' and then as a Somali, the false PL and Sharif blah blah structures mean a lot to you. The fact is there is a growing movement that is disillusioned by these miasmic fiefdoms and are looking for a radical reshaping of somali politics through galvanzing national consciousness. Those would understand the theme of this curse against Faroole. Also, whatever is said about Faroole applies to those who are in the same league, the Shariff's included. And you are absoultely wrong if you think Faroole's manouvers are about PL interest. They are not. As you will see in not so distant future, once the PM and other sensible men move forward on national agenda, the Faroole's of this peninsula will be left in the cold. I take you half-cooked thing as a retaliatory nonesense to my earlier salvo. If at all you conceded Somali politics is as shallow as SNM's secession ideology, then you would know even half-cooked minds would get it. Leave me out of it, adeer. It doesn't become you to turn this personal and show yourself up here. Lets talk about this great speech of yours instead. Adeer waxa ku hor yaala ka hadal. It is what it is, as they say. Why then do you suddenly come up with the rosy ideas of nationalism and other nonsense when you KNOW the people you're talking about here? As for the movement you mention, where is it? Show me proper, real and believable signs of its existence and save me the dreamy talk about it existing. War even the Imam claims that he is a Somali nationalist (but you don't believe the Imam). So why do you believe others? As for this business of seeing in the not so distant future, I would rather wait and see it. Xiin's crystal ball had put me off such empty talk. Wax naf leh la kaalay ninyaho. You know better than this, A&T and you should stop acting the fool here. Fix up.

Abtigiis;831439 wrote: Dear Uchi, "The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism" , writes Karl Marx in his seminal paper "On the Jewish Question". The political emancipation of Puntlanders and Somalilanders will be attained only whey they cease to think of themselves as MJ and I's. Or to paraphrase it, the national emancipation of Somalia is the emancipation of Puntland and Somaliland. Viewed from this angle, Faroole's actions, which are driven purely by self-centredness and a desire for political self-preservation, are inimical to puntlanders interest in the long run, contrary to what Ngonge is saying in his usual harebrained analysis of somali politics. The existential question that must be asked is "where does Puntland's interest end and national (Somalia) interest start?". Faroole got everything he wanted in Gawore II conference. He is now getting greedy and petulant. And he must be stopped. For nothing other than power satisfies him and he thinks the return of a powerful national state heralds dminished political profile for himself. Ngonge, We, here, denotes "we, the Somali people" Oh, hairbrained! That's a nice word. Quoting Karl Marx is not going to make Somali politics seem deeper and more profound than what it is, saaxib. Heck, even you with your half cooked opinions on politics could become one of the so called leaders (and that's no compliment to you or them, saaxib). You already know that I have no love for the Imam or his awful political ability. However, one must give credit where credit is due. Zoom out, my friend, zoom out and don't focus on the Imam alone. Is PL trying to protect its own interests? Of course it is. Should it not? In an ideal world, PL's interests are the same as those of Somalia. But, Karl Marx lover, it's not an ideal world. Sheikh Sharif, Sheikh Xasan or any of the others involved in Somali politics are all jockeying for positions for themselves (and their people), should that mean that they'll trample on PL as a result, none of them will bat a single eyelid in the process. So, tell me, why is it only the Imam who gets labeled with treason or greed? Is it because he’s making the loudest noise and (through his rudimentary political skills) managing to receive the best concessions? Bahasha baro, saaxib.

Baah. You people have not read The Grapes Of Wrath or you wouldn't be making a big deal of all of this. Though I would have loved you to read the whole book, let me give you the final page anyway. Ma looked. There were two figures in the gloom; a man who lay on his back, and a boy sitting beside him, his eyes wide, staring at the newcomers. As she looked, the boy got slowly up to his feet and came toward her. His voice croaked. "You own this here?" "No," Ma said. "Jus' come in outa the wet. We got a sick girl. You got a dry blanket we could use an' get her wet clothes off?" The boy went back to the corner and brought a dirty comfort and held it out to Ma. "Thank ya," she said. "What's the matter'th that fella?" The boy spoke in a croaking monotone. "Fust he was sick—but now he's starvin'." "What?" "Starvin'. Got sick in the cotton. He ain't et for six days." Ma walked to the corner and looked down at the man. He was about fifty, his whiskery face gaunt, and his open eyes were vague and staring. The boy stood beside her. "Your pa?" Ma asked. "Yeah! Says he wasn' hungry, or he jus' et. Give me the food. Now he's too weak. Can't hardly move." The pounding of the rain decreased to a soothing swish on the roof. The gaunt man moved his lips. Ma knelt beside him and put her ear close. His lips moved again. "Sure," Ma said. "You jus' be easy. He'll be awright. You jus' wait'll I get them wet clo'es off'n my girl." Ma went back to the girl. "Now slip 'em off," she said. She held the comfort up to screen her from view. And when she was naked, Ma folded the comfort about her. The boy was at her side again explaining, "I didn' know. He said he et, or he wasn' hungry. Las' night I went an' bust a winda an' stoled some bread. Made 'im chew 'er down. But he puked it all up, an' then he was weaker. Got to have soup or milk. You folks got money to git milk?" Ma said, "Hush. Don' worry. We'll figger somepin out." Suddenly the boy cried, "He's dyin', I tell you! He's starvin' to death, I tell you." "Hush," said Ma. She looked at Pa and Uncle John standing helplessly gazing at the sick man. She looked at Rose of Sharon huddled in the comfort. Ma's eyes passed Rose of Sharon's eyes, and then came back to them. And the two women looked deep into each other. The girl's breath came short and gasping. She said "Yes." Ma smiled. "I knowed you would. I knowed!" She looked down at her hands, tight-locked in her lap. Rose of Sharon whispered, "Will—will you all—go out?" The rain whisked lightly on the roof. Ma leaned forward and with her palm she brushed the tousled hair back from her daughter's forehead, and she kissed her on the forehead. Ma got up quickly. "Come on, you fellas," she called. "You come out in the tool shed." Ruthie opened her mouth to speak. "Hush," Ma said. "Hush and git." She herded them through the door, drew the boy with her; and she closed the squeaking door. For a minute Rose of Sharon sat still in the whispering barn. Then she hoisted her tired body up and drew the comfort about her. She moved slowly to the corner and stood looking down at the wasted face, into the wide, frightened eyes. Then slowly she lay down beside him. He shook his head slowly from side to side. Rose of Sharon loosened one side of the blanket and bared her breast. "You got to," she said. She squirmed closer and pulled his head close. "There!" she said. "There." Her hand moved behind his head and supported it. Her fingers moved gently in his hair. She looked up and across the barn, and her lips came together and smiled mysteriously. Read a summary of the story here: http://www.gradesaver.com/the-grapes-of-wrath/study-guide/short-summary/ Read the whole book here: http://www.tiengiang.edu.vn/FileUpload/Vanban/File8128.pdf

Salaam Spadez. Hope all is well with you, saaxib. Don't you think your title is a tad optimistic? SL had developed and progressed during those twenty odd years but I wouldn't use the 'coming of age' declaration just yet. There is a lot of work to be done before we can claim that SL has come of age. There are journalists to be freed, poor Oromos to be left alone, the justice system requires major improvements and the accountability of government needs urgent attention. Nonetheless, 2012 is a million times better than 1991.

Can't blame the Imam for trying his luck, saaxib. In that regard, at least, he is doing a brilliant job in looking after the interests of PL. It's neither treason nor spoiling (though Mahiga may disagree). It's an attempt to position PL at the centre of the decision making process. And, to be honest, it's not much different to anything the other Somali factions are doing. p.s. When you say "but we feel it is time Puntland makes the transition from reprehensible to responsible leadership". Who are the 'we' here? I thought you only reserved such talk for when you're sharing information/opinion from the ONLF's central committe.