Chimera;838933 wrote: That is the lamest analogy if I ever heard one, your relative's command of "knowledge" is alot more complicated than accounting, one makes your brain grow for a reason. Nobody asked you to comment on this topic NGONGE. If I want to share my personal interpretation of a suspiciously leaked report coinciding with a major event than I have ever right in the world to do so, this is an internet forum not a PHD thesis. There were no billboards inserted in the original post with the signage NGONGE PLEASE REPLY, so spare me your attempt at psycho-analysing me, and the baseless claim that I don't know the process of "auditing", which you can't even deduce from my post in the first place. Never had you down as one that had hissyfits, Adam. Ok. I’ll humour you and try the Somali style of stroking your beard into listening. Saaxib, this is not personal. You’re a good guy who made a simple mistake. We all do from time to time. It is no big deal. If my words hurt your pride in any way, be the big man and let them pass. The World Bank probably publishes reports about all sorts of countries. But in this instance it did one about Somalia. To say that it’s not fair and that it should do one about the NGOs in Nairobi or the fraudulent Nigerians is akin to little kids shouting “why are you telling me off, you never tell Cabdi off?”. It’s childish, it’s irrelevant and it’s beside the point. I asked you to go find out about the audit scope, objective and information so that you would, understand why the audit was commissioned, what were its terms of reference and any details relating to it. Only then could you (with a straight face) claim that it is an old report or that it was an attempt at sabotage. But, you were hasty saaxib (this might have even strengthened your argument). We all get hasty from time to time though. Waa caadi. Your argument about some countries not pledging any funds because of this report is somewhat plausible, I suppose. But I disagree with it simply because of the timing of the report. This took place during the Istanbul conference when the champions of Somali future (none of them Somali by the way) were all there to lobby any doubters and ensure that the show must go on. Plus, any country that went this far anyway is not likely to back out just because of a report. They all went in knowing how bad the Somali situation IS. It’s not a blind date, saaxib. Hang on; let me stroke your beard one more time before I deliver my next point. Are you calm? Ok, here goes; The issue of corruption is indeed found all over the world (from MPs expenses and Police bribes in the hacking scandal in the UK to convicts in the jails of India becoming members of parliament) but just because it is found everywhere does not mean it should be condoned, brushed under the carpet or ignored. I told you earlier it is all about a change of attitude, saaxib. The beard stroking that I’ve been mocking you with here is a Somali custom. It is the very ugly tradition of saying “inaga daaya” in order to keep the peace and get on with things. IT IS WRONG and vulgar. The roadmap is going ahead regardless. The only people that can stop it or derail it are Somalis. The only people that can make it work are also Somalis. Somalis like yourself that profess to love their homeland and dream of seeing it back on its feet again. But for that to work, you need to be strong in word and in deed, saaxib. As for being idealistic; idealistic is to memorise the entire history of Somalia but not have a clue about how the future should look like, saaxib. What I am telling you here is practical, pragmatic and RIGHT. Finally (and with a parting stroke of the beard) let me comment on your angry protestation about my contribution to this thread. I agree that you didn’t invite me to comment here but I thought the invitation was implicit (next time maybe you should specify who you want to reply to your threads, saaxib). At any rate, I merely reply to your threads over those of the many kids on here because I believe you to be a cut above the many simpletons that post on SOL. For, believe you me, had I thought you to be a duplicitous man full of humbug I would not have wasted my time posting reply after reply on this thread (stuff and nonsense would have sufficed). Now clam down and see the sense in my words.

Chimera;838823 wrote: NGONGE, you're taking the piss, and are arguing for the sake of arguing. I have relatives that run businesses sxb, I have seen their paper work and their audits are done annually, and never back-dated further than that unless its actually necessary. In the case of the TFG, the recent report is old news, and is being recycled by the World Bank, because they are well aware of the fact that the original discovery was made by the Somali Anti-Corruption Committee, not an international organisation, and that this same anti-corruption committee has tackled the issue. Secondly with regards to foreign donations, that issue has also already been delt with through a joint-financial board, where the donor-countries will be in control of where their funds go to on the ground. Therefore the World Bank is clutching at straws and whipping a dead horse of an issue. I have a relative who is a taxi driver but I still can't locate every street just from hearing its name. If there is one arguing for argument’s sake, it is you saaxib. You come here with no facts; no understanding of audit systems and no actual argument save the one about the timing of the report and, YET, want us to listen to your crazy conspiracy theory about sabotage! I want you to go away and find out what the audit scope was and what periods it were asked to cover (there is no reason why an audit cannot cover a two year period. In fact, many audits cover the periods from January to March of the following year). Furthermore, that an "internal" audit was undertaken does not mean an "external" one shouldn't. I don't know what business your relatives own but we are not talking about a corner shop here, saaxib. Most major organisations and governments use both (though an external one would not (usually) be as intrusive unless there are signs of fraud). At any rate, the infamous Fartaag also released his report at the same time. As for your "secondly" point. Pay attention now; I am not the audit report author and you do not need to justify the shortfalls to me, saaxib. My gripe with you is in your haste to dismiss such a report out of paranoia and, rather than telling us that you're uncomfortable with the timing of the report, you go on to regale us with your non-existent knowledge of auditing and the way it works. Remember, in my first post, I told you that you may be correct and there may be something untoward about the whole thing but since you have no evidence you better stay away from making foolish statements. You want the best for Somalia and are usually full of hope but like I keep telling you a million times, hope alone is not good enough. A change of attitude is needed here. The "us" and "them" nonsense needs to stop. Focus on the "us" alone and strive to improve what are (honestly) an awful government and people. When the World Bank (or anyone else) talks to you about corruption, your first reaction should be to criticise such a serious custom. It should be about discussing, thinking of and finding ways to stem such an awful tradition. If, you, who seems the most reasonable of Somali patriots is allowing his passion to get the better of him and make him frolic amongst the ignorant rabble, what hope has Somalia, saaxib? The report claims that Somalia has no accounting systems and there is no transparency. But is that the case today (putting the joint-financial board to one side for now)? Is the shop-keeper mentality prevalent all across Somalia’s financial world (from the accounts of the small municipalities to that of the TFG)? Remember, the joint-financial board is only likely to deal with money coming in and the way it’s distributed amongst the various government institutions but who is going to oversee those and who is going to keep an eye on the money there? There are millions of questions this report should have triggered in your head and none of them have anything to do with paranoia or "the man". The International Community (with Turkey at its head) have decided to help Somalia out. The wheels are already in motion and the roadmap is in place. Even if we argue that the World Bank has ulterior motives (which, with the evidence we have, is a far-fetched argument anyway) the process is not likely to stop. So what happens next? Well, like I told you earlier, this could only be nothing but good news. It means that those c*****ng the way for Somalia to stand on its own feet are going to tighten the noose around the TFG and ensure that funds are properly received, spent and accounted for. It means that there is hope yet for the Somalia of your dreams. Only the thieves that plunder Somalia’s money should be upset about such a report, everyone else should rejoice. Wax fahan.

Che -Guevara;838212 wrote: NGONGE...how is it waterproof? The logic (compared to your pictures of burnt women) is not bad. Carafaat, as the starter of this thread, put down the terms of reference for this dicussion and carried on the argument along those lines, I see nothing wrong with his logic thus far. Do YOU, really?

Chimera;837201 wrote: No I will not blame the government of 2011-2012 for something a different administration did in 2009-2010. There is an anti-corruption committee in place for two successive cabinets now. Secondly Somalia is steadily rebuilding its institutions, its pretty disgusting to see such a global organisation nitpicking about scraps when they were and are blissfully ignorant about the billions that went missing in Nairobi. The conference is important, for this will affect our infrastructure on multiple levels for the next two decades. Think of roads and highways, think of power-plants, think of reconstruction of the capital, think of funds for Somali institutions like the army and navy, think of investment in the economy, healthcare and education, think of upgrades of Somali ports. The World bank is trying to sabotage of all of this, because ultimately they want to be the ones to loan Somalia all that reconstruction money with poisonous funds. Put that microphone down, saaxib. Audits are normally done for previous peroids (regardless of who is in charge at this moment in time). Your ignorant (with respect of course) logic of saying that "this is not the problem of the current management, it's the fault of those before us" is neither here nor there. Audits, after all, are about ensuring BEST PRACTICE and giving recommendations about the way forward (along with agreeing to the reliability of the accounts, which in this case they didn't). This actually works to Somalia's advantage (in the current climate of hope). For the TFG could show that it has taken steps (since that period) to tighten controls and make the accounting process more transparant. Those that you see as sabatours in your passionate haste are actually doing you a favour. After all, the TFG will have to reply to the points raised in this audit and can (If we go by your words) show that it has improved the quality of its systems and plugged all the previous loopholes. This would have strengthened its case in the Istanbul conference, not weakned it. WAX FAHAN and don't be a loox like galia.

There used to be a time when this was the dress of choice (I'm sure you own one of those, Norf).

The above and number 1 are the only normal positions, the rest are corpses.

Juxa;838296 wrote: Thank you altho hadal uukuu ekaa markaad joogtay hargeysa, a slap or two should have done the trick Dee way i diiday and I wouldn't know what the guy looked like or what dark allyway to wait for him in. I was genuine in my offer ee Ibti ba wax iga maqli wayday.

Good story that fits the situation. Until the recognition comes, it's all (honestly) guesswork. But WORK it is.

*Ibtisam;838151 wrote: Lol. Oh My God, you guys even got peace loving smiling JB to offer to beat people up!!! and lovely MAlika egging him on!!!! Juxa @ burning his house down and breaking his hands! Im not known for peace loving, nor is my clan!!!! classic quote of the day! lol Blessed ayaa ii hadshey- we need to learn a new language, be it legal or just letting things go and moving on with the positive aspects. Bisinka, we are very hot headed people, this is why small things such as this in our society turn into reer hebel iyo reer hebel and escalates so fast. Though it is still your personal choice I strongly disagree with your position. It's not an issue of clan, politics or (the unacceptable) moving on. It's about stopping an attitude from becoming the norm. This is why I was telling you in my earlier post to come back "home". The "inaga daaya" attitude of H Town has messed up your moral compass, Ibti. Though you let it go for conveinience sake (an understandable reason), you should never rationalise it with talk of clan fueds, taking the easy road or relying on the creaking SL justice system. At some stage, men such as this Dr will need to be confronted head on. Should their clan decide to stand by them (even if the shoe was on the other foot and he happend to be from your own clan), they too should be confronted. Or else, what is the point of having a clan or, even worse, a country! p.s. Beating up women is never a small thing. The muctasim bi allah was lounging in his Baghdad palace and ignoring Muslim problems until a WOMAN shouted "waa muctasimaah" and got him to get up and restore her honour. The Greeks sent ten thousand ships to Troy over a woman. A man beating up a woman is the most cowardly act possible and is never a small thing.

*Blessed;838129 wrote: No offence Carfaat but you seem confused and easily swayed, bal isla yara hadal intaanad caalamka kale afkaaga u furin, waa iga talo. Seems like Alpha dhowr bool ayaa ka dhacay in those qaad sessions. According to Islaamo news, qaadka Ethiopia laga keenaa wuu fooraraa oo raguu foorariyaa, waad liicaysaa ee bal is ilaali. Ibts. As much as that xayawaan pissed me off, you did good. We can't all resort to uncivilised behaviour. Don't let Carafaat get to you, ayeeyo. He's a loveable script that aims to irritate (same as Alpha). As for the uncivilised behaviour, I would normally agree with you (in general) but in theis case, I still feel the man got off lightly.

^^ Clever shuffling of feet there, A&T. Carafaat, a script that loves to cause controversy has you all beat here. His argument is water proof and does not appeal to the emotions (unlike his detractors or the subject-changing A&T).

"you look bored" said the eldest "why don't you go on the pc and pass some time". I'm not sure if I'm babysitting or being baby sat today.

Qandalawi;838090 wrote: Lool, I laughed not because the thread is funny the comments of the contributors. Ngonge offered 'hiil' to fight for the girl of the clan, seriously? Also Alpha's claim to belong to a Somali clan , I always thought the man's dad was Mali and his mom Somali, mase clan-ki of the mother ayuu sheeganayaa I don't know what happens in your part of Somalia but in the rest of the manly world, nobody sits about as women get beaten. Plus, putting aside the clan link with Ibti (for c is always e), I still have hopes of making her my sis in law. It's not as if she wasn't already perfect, the girl can even take a punch.

No point complaining now, Ibti. You had you chance to get revenge on this guy but you refused. I am not a violent man and the last time I've been in a fight, your dress of choice was (probably) huggies pullups. I did offer to confront the rascal for you (or at least wait for him in a dark alley) but you would have none of it. Ha kaa saarto dee. By the way, you do need to take a break and get away from that place for a while. Come back to civilisation, dear. Come recharge your batteries and remind yourself of what is acceptable and what is not.

Much ado about nothing. Juqle, slow it down saaxib. If you argue that "we won", why are you still fighting? (wonder if he's a script).

Chimera, you may have a point and this conspiracy theory of yours may be correct but, the money is still missing and the finger of blame should be pointed at a government that can’t account for such vast amounts of missing funds. As for the timing, I believe it to be perfect. What better time to reveal such news than when the Somalis are sitting down and planning how the next stage in Somalia’s development should look like!

Because she's worth it.

You should have known that the dullest form of communication is a darn LIST, Alpha. (I have no idea what the rest of the thread is about).

^^ I am not sure yet. There are parties all over town and, if I have the energy, I may take the kids to one of the nearby ones.

^^ Because the old man's words and the expected responses in SOL tickle me. Why else!

^^ Maasai warriors to hand out Kenyan tea gifts to London commuters to celebrate Queen’s Jubilee http://www.whats-on-guide.co.uk/uncategorized/maasai-warriors-to-hand-out-kenyan-tea-gifts-to-london-commuters-to-celebrate-queen%E2%80%99s-jubilee

I always thought that being in a long holiday is like being in prison, Norf. All those hours of doing nothing and exaggerating the mundane turn you into a philosopher (or at least they should). Juxa, I'm tempted but I don't like Camden.

^^ What quiz and where? I was invited to another one in some Somali resturant soon (no idea what day). Is this it?

Summer blues, Juxa, summer blues. Besides, everyone left and now we have to wait for you to post on here before we could carry on a conversation. Dee ma maanta o dhan baan ku sugayna? Carafaat, no need to consult the law. You are always in the wrong.

AYOUB;837049 wrote: ^ Well sounds like he's a cog in an well-oiled machine. Somalia is a broken clock. If he 's used to handling cash, Somalia is broke my friend. He is fresh cool head? So was Sharmarke and Formaggio. In fact both Sh. Sharif and Cabdiwelli are cool heads with experience under their belt. When you say he's the best you seen over the last 20 years; what you mean he's the best since the late president M S Barre. He was just a plain soldier, wasn't he? P.S You do have to sell him. There are lot of candidates out there; from Hiildaran Samatar to the blind guy in NW10. If you think the chap is better, you have to say why. *I think I'm degenerating to cynical NG* You're right to be cynical. Somalia is a political jungle and it would be a joke to give someone the presidancy just because he worked for IBM. Of course, these abilities do count but what counts more are his political abilities. Is he rutheless enough to swim with the sharks that litter the Somali scene? Can he cope with the clannish side of politics? After all, the last thing Somalia needs is Farmajo II. (actually, Somalia does need people like that but the shame of it is that such guys could never hack the childish politics).