Che the emptying of Shabeele's water has nothing to do with Ethiopia. Both Jubba and Shabeele start in the OG land in Ethiopia's zone 5 and the diversion of the river's water for irrigation is carried out by the administration in the region. If the people of Goday use the river for irrigation is it not their right to do so? I sympathise with the HAG in Southern Somalia that their Shabeele will no longer be a river but a seasonal doox like the one in Hargeisa. The OGs on the other hand will have enormous economic benefits from the dams, canals, and commercial farms they are building. I think the Hags should start preparing for a life without lush green farms and a flowing river. The poor families who depended on Shabeele should be given alternative livelihoods. As for the Jubba, I think the Ogs will not divert or empty that river because it passes through their territories in Jubbaland.

@BestCaseScenario said: How does accepting life in the grave as a possibility would be a corruption of faith? What are the basis for not accepting your soul can come back to your body for reward/punishment purposes before day of judgment if Allah so wills? Is it illogical? And if it is, how do you justify Heaven and Hell, people all aged at 30, human waste in the form of sweat etc? To me, all these are possibilities. It is a matter of design and engineering. New natural laws out of the old. God's capability of doing what human mind can not understand unless given the ability to do so. If one believes in God without meeting him, his prophet without being a witness to his teachings when he lived, it is all faith, and matters of the grave fall into that category. I don't see why someone would pick and choose out of Islam when what they are objecting to are minor compared to the main teachings of Islam that require as much faith as anything else. God said he built seven firmaments above us for example. Can human beings explain exactly how these are built and how far in between one has to travel to see the second one? The answer is no. Would that then render the Quran corrupted simply because some teachings in it can not be verified by humans today? We are not taking about blind faith Mr Bootaan but verifiable truths. I am referring to the Quran when questioning the foundation for the claims made about punishment before Judgement Day, so likewise tell us the reason for your believes.

With an ever present tribalism and a cocktail of poverty, corruption, bad leadership, ignorance, determined enemies, religious extremism, and mutual suspicion, its hard to see if Somalis will ever have any real independence and ethnic unity.

I could not have agreed with you more Galbeedi, this picture is horrifying. Ma caruurtan gaajoonaysa ayaa askar loogu yeedhayay? Subxaanallah walaahay xaaladu way xuntay Illaahay ha ina kala badbaadiyo.

@xabad said: Your a very sexually liberated kind of skinny aren't you ? So confident talking about this stuff, *claps*. Sex is an integral part of the human being so why mystify it?

@xabad said: The evil and barbarity of Islam on full display. Grown men gratuitously inflicting bestial violence on a small defenseless woman for the crime of sacrilege against gibberish rantings and ravings of an Arab Bedouin aka the Koran. This really shocked and saddened me. What has Islam got to do with the evil action of a bunch of barbarians? Indeed it is the holy Quran which is the first to condemn such savagery. May Almighty Allah bless Farkhunda's soul and forgive her sins. Amin

@Alpha Blondy said: lol. whats the difference between being feminazi and being pro-feminazi. are you transgender too? lol Do you know transgenders are in high demand in Turkey? I watched a BBC documentary presented by Stacey Doole about sex in strange places. In Turkey a lot of closeted queers with wives and kids seek transgenders for a quick relieve. And especially the guys who have a nice pair of boobs plus their dick are sought after because they are seen as a sort of intermediary between the two sexes. Those who have sex with them find comfort in the fake boobs and convince themselves that they're straight whilst playing with the tranny's dick at the same time.

@Alpha Blondy said: jimco wanagsan Tallabo. are you going to jummah today? Of course the Friday prayer is a must. Adigu innaba fooda dhulka ma dhigtaa

@Alpha Blondy said: ^ its pure sexism. don't you deny it. I thought you were a feminazi Tal? sitting on the left, in the industry, is called 'presenter one'. My comment was a joke alpha. I am not a feminazi but just a pro-feminazi. In other words I have sympathy for the feminist movement.

@BestCaseScenario said: Understanding Quantum Mechanics can help in this case I think. How things can be real but defy human logic. Sort of counter intuitive. Grave related teachings in Islam can be understood that way, that it is in a different dimension and what happens there surely defy the norms of our world. One has to accept it in faith just as he or she accepts God exists based on the book without seeing him. Angels, Demons, etc, All the unseen including God fall into this category. Some of you forget also that if you came into being from nothing originally(Creation of Adam in the form we are today out of no prior blueprint), reconstructing your bones from some records(biological) won't be that difficult right? Speaking from technical point of view anyways. Some of you are confused or know little and it is obvious. PS: It is always helpful to accept that your knowledge and understanding of things can be limited, religion or otherwise. With that attitude, one is more likely to learn/understand something. My infidel friends are the ones who rejected all forms of afterlife but what is being discussed here in this thread is not a negation of faith but the corruption of faith.

Che is there an agreement between the governments of Somaliland and Puntland for the construction of this road?

The seating arrangements are planned in such a way that the adult male viewer would have one eye on the female assistant's cleavage and the other on the news coming from the senior male presenter :-D An argument can be created about anything indeed.

@Che -Guevara said: Good progress, Ceeldaahir and Ceerigaabo is road about to start. These roads will benefit Sanaag and the larger region immensely. Who is paying for this major project Che?

Alshabaab or Daesh can land in these remote hideout places and no body would know anything about it. It is pretty worrying.

Is Geelwayn another village in the area?

I love remote locations so a retreat there would be ideal.

@Gheelle.T said: Tallaabo imaadan fahmin, naf la soo celinayo marka qabriga qofku galo baan ka hadlayaa. Meel kalaad u qaadday adna. Btw, what's with this recruit camp you resort to every time you disagree with someone. Soo adigii hadda " Kaafir" ka qaylinayay! Walaal kuugumaan yeedhin kaafir ee waxaan qoray su'aal kaftan ku jiro ayuunbay ahayd. Waan kugu raacsanay ra'igaaga maxaa yeelay qof la gubay ama bahal cunay siduu qabri u yeelanayaa.

@gooni said: puntland waa isku filan tahay haday taageero ka hesho beesha caalamka iyo amisom Ma waxaad leedahay amisom Puntland ha gayso ciidamadeeda

Where did they come from and who gave them the boats?

^ That is alot of cattle Mashaallah. I wonder if all these animals belong to just one family.

@Gheelle.T said: Qof haddaan laba aasin oo la gubo, then there wont be grave, no? Naf la soo celinaayo ma jirtaa markaas? This is a fascinating discussion. Am I seeing a new recruit to the crowded camps of Satan the accursed? Allah said in the holy Quran: "Does man (a disbeliever) think that We shall not assemble his bones? Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers" (75:3-4) Whether one is cremated or eaten by a beast, Allah the Creator of Mankind will reassemble everyone of us atom by atom, cell by cell until non of our body parts is missing. As the above mentioned verse indicated, even the intricate patterns of the friction ridges in our fingertips will re-emerge.

@Allyourbase said: Istaqfurullah akhi Tallaboo, cadaabta qabrigu waa xaq ee toobad keen. Lol :-D Where have you been these days waaryaa? I am sure most people here would disagree with me but nevertheless it must be said your contributions to the debates in this forum are important. Somalis don't like to be out of their comfort zone when it comes to religious and cultural issues and would rather stick to long held falsehood and superstitions than adopt challenging ideas and change perceptions. Of course I too disagree with a lot of what you believe but it is very educational to have open discussions with those who do not share the same views. At the very least such open discussions would lead one to see their beliefs and values in a new light. I think the Somali people's dislike of an open challenge to their way of thinking is manifested in this very thread where we are here refuting a very deeply held believe and yet non of them have the slightest appetite to make a statement. This rule does not include our old friend Dr kenny as debating was natural to him

Rejecting something which contradicts the holy Quran doesn't make me a kaafir mr xabad.

Alshabaab has got no serious presence or operations in Puntland and most likely do not wish to open another front in their war. This is probably a logistical operation where alshabaab is making use of the safe coastal town to get fighters, weapons, and other reinforcements to their strongholds in the south. I hope the Puntland soldiers avoid fighting these terrorists within the boundaries of the town to prevent causing unnecessary damage to properties.

This nice article explains my views really well. http://quransmessage.com/articles/grave%20punishment%20FM3.htm