I got bumped by Orange Soup lol two disappointments in two days :mad: watchout lads shes lethal, used the bruise function against ME!lol

^^saxib, promoting where your from and being proud is all well and good, so is dacaayadu, but when it goes below the belt then one will defend where he is from against such ignorant attitudes

^^amiin, he is going through an ordeal which will only make his Iman stronger

Red sea says: Don't get me wrong here Reer Burco I just was bit surprised and happy at the same time of your accomplishments. I had the mind set of the Budh and knife you guys carry all the time and I didn't think you would be able to settle down and build something up; not that I didn't think you had the potential to do it, but your patience was questionable What do you mean surprised? That narrow minded thinking your parents gave you ie rear Burco waa sidaa iyo sidaa has taken hold of you ey? Get a grip saxib and stop offending Burcaawis. Life is not always as what your elders taught you! Dacaayadi waa dacaayad but your taking it a little too far but i'm not surprised by it, coming from someone who has probably never ventured too far outside Hargaisa let alone visiting Burco :rolleyes:

^^^ We have never been destructive saxib, a little tempremental yeah but not destructive Ayoub says: Did I mention I'm a part-time Burcaawi? Soo dhawoow inaabti but being a part-timer doesnt make you a heir Burco for manufacturing Haigaisa for Politics/business Berbera for sea import and exports (port city) Ceerigaavo/Awdal for agriculture Laascanood for town and country planning

Hyde Park in spring and summer Millenium Wheel at night in summer Little Venice in summer (on a boat) Edgeware Road on a summers evening Alexandra Palace and it's views across London from North to South Brixton Market and surrounding - a unique place Chiswick/Ealing/Shephards Bush The Theatres/Museums/Galleries Regents Park Mosque/East London Mosque and many more The Zoo The drive along the River Thames where east meets west in the space of 40 mins Westminster and surrounding Leister Square/Piccadilly Circus (watch your pockets) Oxford Street Mayfair Park Lane Knightsbridge/Gloucester Road/Earls Court/Hammersmith Shephards Bush market Brent Cross Shopping centre (Zara) Those who came, sat in a house and only travelled to non-important places please don not complain to us but blame your relos!

Good post Ayoub Just last week i was watching a video recorded at the start of the year in Burco. Mainly of some contruction and the water plant. Many nationalities now in Burco i saw chinese engineers, indian and pakistani engineers all happy and getting along with the Burcaawis ^^check out colours of the building, very subtle ^^ Maaxda Water (Togdhere) plant which already flooded Hargaisa

JB, I have tried to understand your point as much as I possibly could but I can’t help but feel a tad disappointed with your answers which are all over the place and brands censorship in a bad light but you support everything to be out in the open as indeed we are ‘free’ in the west. So far we have had numerous attempts at making the western system of governance (secularism) superior to that of say the Middle East (which also has its flaws by the way). Now, I have tried to get an idea of the liberalists’ way of thinking before delving into a discussion comparing two totally different types of governments/systems of governance. So lets try it (in a dignified manner that is) to compare say Canada (the most liberal of all nations in my view) to that of Iran (the harshest of systems in many western people’s view). The discussion will focus around the themes of: Freedom – each govnt’s beliefs in what it means to the government and its people. Protection – protecting it’s people from ‘harm’ Now this is a wide ranging issue and can take weeks to explain and digest so be patient with one another. Each post must not exceed say 500 words (approx double this post). Please note Iran’s law is Sheria Law (for the most part as far as I understand it) so be careful in how you interpret it and note the thinking behinds the other nomads post(s). I will post my brief notes tomorrow IA (its getting late here) but feel free to you’re your thoughts. Have a nice day.

JB, as you are a supporter and advocator of secularism, what is your thought process when you hear of such a thing as legal wife swapping orgies? Do you a) think that they are free to do what they want (ie think along secularism and libral lines) or b) do you deplore the actions of those individuals, the government and the laws that make it possible based on your Islamic faith and its teachings? I would like you to try to answer it as clearly as possible with reasons for and against if you have enough time. Thank you

^^faaraxa degeesta! ^ Waryaa Northener, ninka iska dhici ninyahow anigaa meesha haysoo dhex galin Cool saxib

Absolutely. Such as blacks and whites eating in the same restuarant in the US. It was illegal in parts of the southern United States as recently as the 1960s. I'm sure the reason people decided that racial segregation was immoral wasn't because of the struggles of the Civil Rights-era activists. I'm sure it's because Hollywood is run by secularistic Blacks, who made movies and shows that portrayed sympathetic and funny black characters (Sidney Poitier, anyone?). This then 'groomed' ignorant whites so that they mistakenly think blacks should have 'human rights'and then they were duped into being 'selfish' and letting blacks sit on the bus seat right next to them. What next? Blacks as mayors of major cities? Blacks in the US Supreme Court? Ahh, mocking is a good form of defence when all else is lost. What are you? Johnny Cockran? Utilise the race card when all else fails? So your alighning racial ahtred in the 60s to that of wife swapping???? I will not even bother with that but I still believe you are a groom Honestly. You've contorted the meaning of the word selfish into something pretty interesting there, haven't you? Now looking after my and society's best interests is selfish and immoral? Are you actually reading what you type? Like I said before, by eliminating any moral or religious values in your thought process (due to a secular way of thinking) makes you selfish and without morals. Like I said in my first post, what you think is unharmful to society may be different to my views. I have moral values, sxb. I don't cheat. I don't steal, or murder, or otherwise deliberately hurt others. I have gathered that. Yet you don’t have any qualms with wife swapping. Indeed you a person of high morals. The hijab is hurting no one, and France is wrong to ban it. But that's my opinion. France's government thinks that the hijab is somehow harmful to French society, and so they banned it. The argument can then revolve around whether France is right or wrong about the hijab's deleterious effects. What happened to your freedom of expression? Oh I forgot, it doesn’t suit the secular society and religious identity is frowned upon, but I’m the extreme one and indeed you are ‘free’. Callypso, Castro iyo Socod Ha-kabadin, please define the term ‘freedom’ in the context of secularism and lets make this debate more interesting. The wife swapping thing is getting boring now. All that effort and your argument has as many holes in it as wall in down town xamar, go and get some plaster before your next post please, I’m becoming bored.

Well chaps the waiting is over, the actions starts in Qaahira tonight. This is a link for the fixture schedule and groups which will be updated. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/4425466.stm Come on Cameroun!!!!!

Ahh the joys of Liberalism Callypso, I noticed you failed to address the ‘grooming’ thing? Was I wrong? Would these actions (wife swapping/homosexuality) have been accepted say 30 years ago? Does secularism allow what was previously unacceptable to become acceptable? If you are accepting despicable actions by despicable people under the terms you have mentioned above, then yes I will class you as being selfish! By simply accepting that this is a norm and should not be frowned upon, you are looking after yours and societies ‘best’ interests in accordance with secularism, thus eliminating any moral or religious values in the process. To me (and others) who do not accept libralism/secularism as a form of governance designed for the good of the people, then that is ‘selfishness’ (looking after one’s own interests). Now you can paint over this with glossy emulsion paint but that the bottom line regarding liberalism/secularism and it’s supporters. Callypso says: But it's one thing to argue that something is abhorrent to one self, and another to deny another's right to self-expression. The secular societies you are advocating has some major double standards in this ‘it is not harming anyone’ nonsense you are supporting. You only need to look at France/Holland and Belgium where the Hijaab has become a contentious issue but hey ‘it is not harming anyone’ so ban it? How do measure where the Hijaab is harming people? Does this make you a hypocrite (for supporting liberalism)? Where do you draw the line?

big question indeed

A MASSIVE mosque that will hold 40,000 worshippers is being proposed beside the Olympic complex in London to be opened in time for the 2012 Games. The project’s backers hope the mosque and its surrounding buildings would hold a total of 70,000 people, only 10,000 fewer than the Olympic stadium. Its futuristic design features wind turbines instead of the traditional minarets, while a translucent latticed roof would replace the domes seen on most mosques. The complex is designed to become the “Muslim quarter†for the Games, acting as a hub for Islamic competitors and spectators. “It will be something never seen before in this country. It is a mosque for the future as part of the British landscape,†said Abdul Khalique, a senior member of Tablighi Jamaat, a worldwide Islamic missionary group that is proposing the mosque as its new UK headquarters. Tablighi Jamaat has come under scrutiny from western security agencies since 9/11. Two years ago, according to The New York Times, a senior FBI anti-terrorism official claimed it was a recruiting ground for Al-Qaeda. British police investigated a report that Mohammad Sidique Khan, leader of the July 7 London bombers, had attended its present headquarters in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire. In August, Bavaria expelled three members of the organisation on the grounds that it promoted Islamic extremism. Defenders of Tablighi Jamaat say that it is not political and confines itself to humanitarian work. It was founded in India under the British Raj and has many members in Pakistan and Bangladesh. The east London complex would have by far the largest capacity of any religious building in Britain. The biggest at present is the Baitul Futuh in Morden, Surrey, which holds about 10,000 worshippers. Liverpool’s Anglican cathedral, the largest Christian place of worship, has a capacity of 3,000. The new building will be called the London Markaz (Arabic for centre) and will be built in place of an existing mosque on a 10-acre site 500 yards from the Olympic development. The three-storey mosque will be designed to accommodate more than 40,000 worshippers. Its sweeping roof is intended to evoke tented cities. The complex would include a garden, school, library and accommodation for visiting worshippers. Islamic calligraphy would cover the walls and ceilings, the washing areas would have cascading water to mimic a stream, and the complex’s buildings would be adapted to allow extra worshippers during festivals such as Eid, accommodating a further 30,000 visitors. Ali Mangera, the London and Barcelona-based architect who is designing the mosque, said: “People in this country build mosques with fake domes and plastic minarets to look like the mosques back home. Islam has traditionally been at the forefront of technology and change. The Markaz will reflect this. It will be more than a mosque. The whole idea behind it is to break down barriers.†Mangera has previously worked with leading British architects including Zaha Hadid, designer of the Cardiff opera house. Mangera and Tablighi Jamaat are in negotiations with Newham council, the Greater London Authority and the Thames Gateway Development Corporation for planning permission. Sunil Sahadevan, a planning officer at Newham council, said: “We are working towards the mosque application with the organisers and discussions are ongoing. The application will be finalised over the next year.†It is estimated that the project would cost more than £100m and donations are being sought from Britain and abroad. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1892780,00.html

Wife swapping in accepted in Canada as it is a liberal and secular society where ‘freedom’ is termed as actions not being of harm to others. However, harm in the west is different to that of harm in the east (important factor in the argument). Fornification and homosexuality is viewed as a right if one wishes as it’s a ‘free’ country and its not harming anyone whereas in the Middle East for example lashings, long jail terms and maybe even death is the outcome of such actions. Now the posters on here are standing on two sides of the fence. In one camp we have those who are utilising their thoughts and actions in accordance with religion and morality and another camp who base their thoughts on the democracy that is Canada. The view of such actions being accepted so long as it not harming society is infact short-sighted as society is ‘groomed’ to accept such actions over a number of years. Wife swapping has probably been going on for a number of years, same with homosexuality, but were never accepted by society until after a period of grooming. Take homosexuality for example. In the early 1990s it was a major issue if someone was openly gay but after a long and hard fought campaign by gay rights groups who had close ties with the media, this became accepted by the end of that particular decade as the masses where groomed to accept ‘that it is OK’ through films, music, TV Shows etc. If you make the gay person likeable (ie funny/comedian) then the herd will accept it was the general motto. At the same time governments where being lobbied from the same group of people for their ‘rights’ as human beings. With governments being secular, the Human Rights Act plays a big role in such discussions and is generally accepted that people be given their ‘rights’ (ie to live a life they want as long as it is not harmful to society). This is where the selfish attitude of the public has been groomed to accept whatever is ‘unharmful’ to them and society. I see a few grooms in here :rolleyes:

I'm dissapointed with a draw against the Champions, i was 2-0 up at half time, hit the post twice and they equalised on 92 mins :mad: :mad: W11 consider yourself lucky i wasnt aware of the first match!

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^^man i was gutted :rolleyes: The whole turned into a religious thing with Barrera saying: "my god (Jesus) is better than yours" istakhfurrallah Naseem should have ordered a re-match straight up but i guess he has made his money Viking, France vs Brazil 1998 to me was just overshadowed by Ronaldo's fit before the game. A fit (excuse the pu) Ronnie would have won the game for the samba

More pics The Mosque near to my place of work A recent (Eidul Fitre) trip to a small town called Samail where we ate Shuwa - an Omani meat cooked underground using coal for 3 nights. The animal (lamb/goat/cow) is prepared and spiced before being wrapped up into a bag-like straw basket. This is then brought out (with a mighty struggle) on the 3rd day of Eidul Fitr for the local villagers to enjoy. Here are the pics,, The hole All together now,,,,, Time to eat,,,,,

^^Tafadal saxib, all sports are welcome, the problem with American Sport is that its played over 7 games, this takes a lot of passion out it. Imagine if the NBA final had to be played in 1 game at a neutral venue, now that would bring out fireworks! 1 game, 1 winner! Soma, i'm sure u can come up with more saxib, England vs Nigeria?? when? The games i mentioned are only the one that turned out how i wanted them to, there are other great games that didnt go how i wnated them to. Jaylani, Maradona plays for Liverpool now and is a vital memeber of the team. You will see him the 2006 World Cup in Germany playing for his beloved Argentina.

Just something to make this section a little more interesting,,, For me obviously it was last 25th May 2005 Liverpool vs AC Milan England vs Cameroun 1990 Liverpool vs Newcastle (2 games) Cameroun vs Argentina 1990 Argentina vs Romania 1994 Liverpool vs Juventus 2005 Liverpool vs Aleves 2001 England vs Germany (5-1) Holland vs Cech Rep 2004 France vs Italy 2000 Man Utd vs Bayern Munchen 1999 Man Utd vs Juventus 1999 Liverpool vs Everton 1989 and many more,,,,

The black ref - Uriah Rene used to referee some of our games up norf, hes a cool dude, ppl target him cos hes black. He was actually relegated to the Championship a few years back but made his way up again. How come he doesnt get the high profile games???

always been a cricket fan saxib, India vs Pakistan is always worth watching,,,

When was the first chinese restaurant opened and where?