The compensation for 'maintaining' the property is to be friendly asked to leave the property when the owner reclaims it instead of getting kicked out by the police. Consider the owner as a landlord. Why would he pay you for something you did for yourself? Doing it it for ones self or not, the 'maintenance' occured to the advantage of the owner, thus some sort of comp is only fair but not a leglity. I'm questioning whether this should be made a legal issue. STOIC, stay away from the makhaayad or maqaaxi (as rear Hargaisa would say) and keep your sanity intact.

^^Is living in the property/land not considered as up-keep? They may be primarily maintaining the property/land for their own use but upon return one should consider compensation, its only right,,,,,,

However, if the care of the current occupiers has somehow directly increased the value of the land, maybe they are entitled either a compensation or some of the land, especially if to all purposes the land seemed abandoned. That's only fair, right? Not sure about taxes but the general up-keep of lands belonging to someone in a better environment only for that person to come back and instruct the new occupier to leave without any compensation is a little iffy. But then what is meant by up-keep? GOOD question and it is a fiqh issue of which i don't know about. Maybe some nomads can help us out on this True

Let us know it went Shehsneeze

An NGO recently started registering lands that are 'known' to be owned. Not sure exactly what the score is with disputed lands. This raises the question: Should people be fully entitled to lands they left during the war which has been occupied by others? If you have been living in the west with land back home which is occupied and looked after by its new occupants over the past 15-20 years, should they be entitled to some of that land?

Allah yarxamu to the deceased, Sad indeed, the double selling of lands is now common place and anyone hoping to buy should first make sure the land actually belongs to the seller. Where were the land registry dept?

Sheh, not sure uf your still at work but if you are i suggest you make wudu (even if you already have it) then re-work your work until it is done, i dont think you should go home b4 its finished,,,,and stay away from SOL

South African paper cartoon ban Demonstrations have been taking place around the world A South African court has barred a newspaper from reprinting the cartoons that have provoked protests by Muslim groups in several countries. The Sunday Times says the Jamiat-ul Ulama group first requested the paper not to publish the cartoons, though the newspaper had not decided to do so. When the newspaper refused to undertake not to print the cartoons, the group brought a successful court interdict. The paper wants to challenge the ruling saying it is a blow to press freedom. CARTOON ROW 30 Sept 2005: Danish paper publishes cartoons 20 Oct: Muslim ambassadors complain to Danish PM 10 Jan 2006: Norwegian publication reprints cartoons 26 Jan: Saudi Arabia recalls its ambassador 30 Jan: Gunmen raid EU's Gaza office demanding apology 31 Jan: Danish paper apologises 1 Feb: Papers in France, Germany, Italy and Spain reprint cartoons 4 Feb: Syrians attack Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus 5 Feb: Protesters sack Danish embassy in Beirut South Africa's constitution guarantees the right to freedom of expression. On Friday, another weekly paper, the Mail & Guardian, reprinted one of the cartoons on its international news page, illustrating a story about the protests elsewhere in the world. Later that day, Jamiat-ul Ulama brought an interdict against the Sunday Times. "We are aware of the sensitivities regarding the cartoons, and the editorial team was discussing whether these sensitivities should be given more weight that the right of non-Muslim readers to see the depictions that had caused huge offence in other parts of the world," a statement published by the Sunday Times said. "But before we came to a conclusion, we were threatened with the interdict by the Jamiat-ul Ulama of Transvaal. "We declined to give an undertaking not to publish the cartoons, not because we were intent on publishing them, but because we strongly oppose the attempt by any group to edit or censor the newspaper," the statement said. "We regard this as a serious blow to the freedom of the press and have every intention of challenging the ruling when the matter returns to court," the statement concluded. Protests against the cartoons in Muslim countries have targeted embassies of Denmark and Norway, which were the first countries to print the cartoons which some Muslims see as blaspheming the prophet Muhammad.

Four killed in cartoon protests Four people have died in violent protests against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad, following more than a week of demonstrations. Three people died after police in Afghanistan fired on protesters when a police station came under attack, a government spokesman said. In Somalia, a 14-year-old boy was shot dead and several others were injured after protesters attacked the police. Further protests have been taking place from Gaza to India, Indonesia and Iran. They follow attacks on Danish embassies in Syria and Lebanon over the weekend. The cartoons were first published in a Danish newspaper. Monday's deaths were thought to be the first, but officials in Lebanon have now said a demonstrator died on Sunday after jumping from the third floor of the Danish embassy in Beirut to escape a fire. Nationwide rallies Hundreds of people took part in the morning demonstration in Afghanistan's Laghman province, in a second day of protests in the city. The province's director of information, Hamraz Ningarhari, told the BBC that a policeman and a number of other people were injured. Demonstrators shouted "death to Denmark" and "death to France", and called for diplomats and soldiers from both countries to be kicked out of Afghanistan. "They want to test our feelings," protester Mawli Abdul Qahar Abu Israra told the BBC. "They want to know whether Muslims are extremists or not. Death to them and to their newspapers," he said. Across Afghanistan, hundreds protested in Kandahar and Mazar-e-Sharif, while 200 demonstrators gathered outside the Danish embassy in the capital, Kabul. In the north-eastern province of Takhar, demonstrators threw stones at government buildings and police fired in the air. In the port city of Bosaso, in the autonomous Somali region of Puntland, police shot dead one protester and three more were injured after demonstrators threw stones and barricaded streets outside international aid agency buildings. In escalating demonstrations around the world: A crowd of about 200 people used stones to smash windows at the Austrian embassy in Tehran, and firecrackers and smoke bombs were set off In Indonesia, police fired warning shots at protesters outside the US consulate in Surabaya, the country's second largest city. Earlier, demonstrators hurled stones and broke windows at the Danish consulate in the city, and there were protests in the capital, Jakarta Riot police in the Indian capital, Delhi, fired tear gas and water cannons to disperse hundreds of students protesting against the cartoons Shops and businesses across Indian-administered Kashmir were closed after a general strike was called in protest at the drawings In Thailand, protesters shouted "God is great" and stamped on Denmark's flag outside the country's embassy in Bangkok, the Associated Press news agency reported There were protests outside the European Union offices in Gaza, following demonstrations there last week. The cartoons first appeared in a Danish newspaper in September and caused outrage among Muslims, who consider any images of Muhammad offensive. One of the cartoons shows Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped turban. Newspapers across Europe republished the pictures last week, saying they were defending freedom of expression. BBC

An exhausted thread, agree to disagree and get on with your lives! Each to his/her own and will only answer on his/her own when 'the' day comes. peace

^^what a shoot out last night lol The Elephants remind me of Senegal pre-2002, no big names (a few) and no big egos (Drogba an exception). I hope they do well, it will be a tough game vs Nigeria. ps did you see how those guys were kicking lumps out of each other???? :eek: Drogba looked small when compared to the Cameroun defence

^^leave the Clay court to us mate

^^Sol Campbell's life will made a misery tomorrow in the News of The World, not good news if you believe all the rumours, i dont think it will be good reading,,,,, :rolleyes:

^^we wasted too many chances saxib. Rio is OVERATED like i have said many times before. What is up with Sol Campball?? The guy was the best CB for years and look at him now, i hope he gets back to his best in time for Germany. Soma, Sunday mate!

These kids are simply not interested in logic, if they are not listening to their parents why are they going to listen to YOU? There is alot of work in the community to keep kids off the streets and try and push them in the right directions. But badness is never too far in London's inner cities. The culture is now violence, music, drugs and alcohol.

subxana allah and allahu akbar!

If can i drop a few lines on this,,,, There is a limit to freedom of speech, but the question is what is that limit? There are billions of people living in hundreds of countries with thousands of cultures which all determine what is right or wrong dependent on their ideological views. These may all at the same time be influenced in some way by govn'ts and media. Therefore there will never be a universal agreement on freedom of speech or expression as we all have different views on what is or is not suitable. Being Muslims we do not (or try not to)offend other religions and expect the same in kind. But non-muslims do not care as they percieve muslims as being of the weaker faith (out of the 3 books). Freedom of speech is used by the west when they are trying to portray their 'superiority' over the ME but fail when someone criticises Isreal and is called anti-semetic etc etc. Therefore there are maybe 2 lines with regard the ME & the West. Our line is our religion (Islam)and theirs is Isreal and the Holocoast. I hope i made sense,,,

The Point: Today was 25 degrees C and tonights its a cool 15! Soma: stop watching tennis mate

Pakistan stun India to win series Third Test, Karachi, day four: Pakistan 245 & 599-7d beat India 238 & 265 by 341 runs. Pakistan crushed India by 341 runs with more than a day to spare in Karachi to take their first Test series win over their neighbours for 19 years. All-rounder Abdul Razzaq took four wickets as the tourists were bundled out for 265 late in the day. Faisal Iqbal's Test-best 139 had led to a Pakistan declaration on 599-7. And left with the hopeless task of scoring 607 to win, India's batsmen all floundered save Yuvraj Singh, who battled away to score a defiant 112. It was India's second heaviest defeat by a runs margin in their Test history. Pakistan began the day on 511-5 in their second innings and added a quickfire 88 runs before opting to declare. Razzaq (90) was the last man out as leg-spinner Anil Kumble finished with 3-151. The hosts then wasted no time getting stuck into India's top order. Captain Rahul Dravid edged Shoaib Akhtar to wicket-keeper Kamran Akmal in the first over of the innings. Then four balls later, right-arm paceman Mohammad Asif got a delivery to seam back alarmingly at Virender Sehwag, ripping out his middle stump for a most emphatic dismissal. Asif struck again either side of lunch, bowling two more right-handers. VVS Laxman fell to another ball that cut back while Sachin Tendulkar was more unlucky, losing his off stump to a ball that kept low. At 74-4, India were already heading to defeat, but a 103-run partnership between Yuvraj and Sourav Ganguly (37) prevented complete embarrassment. Ganguly eventually played down the wrong line to a ball from Razzaq soon after tea and was out lbw. Mahendra Dhoni then hung around for 35 balls before becoming Razzaq's second victim, giving second slip an easy catch. Wickets began to fall quickly. Razzaq's following over included a brutish ball at Irfan Pathan that the batsman could only steer to gully. Leg-spinner Danish Kaneria, beginning to extract good turn and bounce, claimed a deserved wicket when he dismissed Kumble. And Kaneria had Imran Farhat to thank, the fielder diving acrobatically to his right at slip to grab Kumble's edged drive. Yuvraj, dropped three times between 45 and 97, reached his second Test century with a single off Kaneria and then clubbed Razzaq over square leg for six. But a Kaneria googly was too good for Zaheer Khan as Pakistan homed in on victory. Razzaq eventually produced the coup de grace, Yuvraj's attempted pull caught by Akmal, who was named man of the match for his 113 on day one.

Maybe our resident Aussies can shed some light on this,,,, If there are two things that can be said to mark an Australian summer, they are the beach and cricket. But this year, both Aussie iconic pastimes have been marred by a series of racist incidents that have shocked most people and threatened the future of international cricket tours down under. By far the most serious was also the first. More than 30 people were hurt in early December's race-related riots and reprisal attacks in and around Cronulla beach in Sydney. Politicians, including cricket-loving Prime Minister John Howard, were quick to reject accusations the riots showed racism is on the rise in Australia. Instead, the unrest has essentially been blamed on simmering local tensions. On one side were the largely white residents of the city's southern beachside suburbs. On the other, were the Sydney-siders of Middle Eastern descent who visited the beaches at weekends. Less violent, but in some ways more disturbing, have been the growing number of racist taunts that have since sullied international cricket grounds throughout the summer. Perhaps spurred on by the alarming images a week earlier in Cronulla, spectators at the first Test in Perth subjected some members of the South African cricketers to crude apartheid-era insults. Fast bowler Makhaya Ntini and several other players were called "kaffirs" and "kaffir boetie" (brother of blacks) by people in the Waca crowd. Although the remarks were widely condemned, there was a suspicion that the culprits may not have been Australian. After all, Western Australia has a lot of white South African immigrants. But the theory that racism in cricket may be geographically isolated or simply un-Australian has since been shown to be false. During the Test series with South Africa and the current one-day VB Series that also features Sri Lanka, every single one of Australia's major grounds has experienced similar racial abuse. Sri Lanka did not formally complain at the Adelaide Oval when their players were abused, but five offenders were identified and swiftly ejected from the ground. The South Africans have found the experience so painful that they have even spoken of ending their tour early and not coming back. Recognising the seriousness of the situation, Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland has called for urgent action. He wants the nation's legislators to pass measures allowing heavy fines and life bans to be levied on the "half-a dozen half-wits" he says are to blame. And he points out that "nearly one million Australian spectators have offered a warm and enthusiastic welcome to South Africa's, West Indies' and Sri Lanka's cricketers this summer". The Australia team has a reputation for playing hard and sledging their opponents to gain a psychological edge. But they stop well short of racism and have made it clear that there is no place in the game for spectators who cross the line. South Africa captain Graeme Smith wants cricket to take the racist issue as seriously as football's rule-makers. That may yet happen. The International Cricket Council has announced it will investigate the allegations by sending India's solicitor general to Australia to compile a report. Sutherland said he expects the fallout from the report to raise the question of possible sanctions against countries seen to have a problem with racism. Possible action might include restrictions on those grounds with a poor record of crowd behaviour. Whatever happens, with the one-day series yet to be concluded, it promises to be a nervous few weeks for Australian cricket. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/other_international/australia/4670676.stm

Viking, you just reminded i had a tennis match at 9pm, it is now 9.30pm and i'm still at home,lol. We have had a two day holiday here which has messed up my scheduling. I thought it was Wednesday last night and found myself staying up until 12am for the Liverpool vs Birmingham game (the game is tonight) before realising it was actually Tuesday :rolleyes: Just spoke to my opponent and rescheduled the game keeps repeating tomorrow is thursday, tomorrow is thursday,,,,,

A very sad state of affairs indeed. These kids go crazy when they are in a crowd. This 'urban' culture in London is getting out of hand. Its actually the garage and 'grime' music thats influencing them more than the hiphop. The illusion of pretecting your 'ends' has got into them through this music and culture that is 'urban London'. You have all the different boroughs scoring points against each other through violence and sadly somalis have fallen into that trap.

The beeb should leave our northern cities alone :mad:

Dalacal badru calayna, min thaniyat alwathaac, wajaba alshukru calayna, mathaca lillahi daac,,,,,, somebody please carry-on

mouthwatering games saxib, bring it on!