Jay you told me you live in south philly!

Well i did see three Klashis dropped off today in an AL Jazeera report. 4 days to go. 4X3=12 which will make 15 Klashis at that particular post if the average is taken.

BUMP! Chicken comes home to roost? Sh*t hits the fan? Beans have been spilt? Duke, nice attempt at calming the cyber politikals. Stop running around and face the future mate. You will be a xabashi

^^Did he mention Somaliland in his article?

Originally posted by ThePoint: quote:Originally posted by Northerner: quote: Originally posted by ThePoint: ^There was an agreement to have a cease fire and get back to talks as negotiated by the EU envoy. It was widely reported. Come on now TP, that was just a PR exercise by the EU to save face. War was looming by then. Agreements to a ceasefire were simply to not take blame for the conflict. Are there conditions to deal with gaalo on Muslim lands (even if they are invited by the 'govnt')? I have a the feeling this will be long discussion so will return when time permits IA. Adeer, PR exercise or not(and you have yet to prove this) - it's clear that you are farting around on this. The offer was made, both sides accepted and that should've been the end of the matter. Unfortunately, one side acted foolishly and now is left with next to nothing. Not only was it the Islamically correct thing to opt for peace when it is offered to you - but it is unislamic to agree to a ceasefire and then break it. But many on this board are defending this action. Strange. TP, i certainly dont know about the ins and outs of the agreed EU brokered ceasefire but we all know the altimatum the ICU gave to the Ethiopian troops before the ceasefire. Remember they did say they were fighting against the Ethios and not the TFG on numerous occassions thus making the 'agreed' ceasefire with the TFG still standing. The TFG chose to fight alongside the Ethios (you can say they were the same team as they invited them) but it all depends which way you look at it. Its simple really, muslim tells gaal to leave his land, gaal doesnt leave, muslims agree to ceasefire, muslim fights against gaal with which there was no ceasefire, gaal fights with help of other 'muslims' whom had agreed ceasefire with muslims, somali diaspora blame muslims for starting war, 'muslims' claim power and call muslims terrorists, etc ps my farts are sometimes a wiff of fresh air

Isnt it funny how the gaal raacs point fingers when they supported xabashis to kill their brothers? My support for the ICU is simple. They were the most genuine grassroots organisation that came out of Southern Somalia. I think genuine is the key word there.

http://www.furd.org/default.asp?intPageID=321

Originally posted by ThePoint: ^There was an agreement to have a cease fire and get back to talks as negotiated by the EU envoy. It was widely reported. Come on now TP, that was just a PR exercise by the EU to save face. War was looming by then. Agreements to a ceasefire were simply to not take blame for the conflict. Are there conditions to deal with gaalo on Muslim lands (even if they are invited by the 'govnt')? I have a the feeling this will be long discussion so will return when time permits IA.

By Monte Morin, Stars and Stripes An Ethiopian soldier waits in ambush during training with U.S. military instructors at the Ethiopian Training Academy in Hurso recently. DIRE DAWA, Ethiopia, December 30, 2006 — As soldiers of Ethiopia’s Christian government continued to rout Islamist militiamen in southern Somalia this week, 2nd Cpl. Wonderfraw Niguse celebrated his own victory on the parched scrublands of eastern Ethiopia hundreds of kilometers to the north. With the sporadic barking of baboons or braying of donkeys in the distance, the 25-year-old squad leader led two successful ambushes against simulated enemy forces here as his fellow trainees charged through thickets of needle-sharp thorn bushes and down dried river beds. The feat, which Wonderfraw and his fellow soldiers cheered with songs of victory and courage, was accomplished during a three-month basic infantry skills course offered by the U.S. military at the sprawling Ethiopian Training Academy in Hurso. “They are very good, these techniques that they are teaching us,” Wonderfraw said through an interpreter. “I appreciate everything they are teaching us, especially the ambush. They instruct us on how to establish it and provide security. The ambush is very interesting for me.” Troops attached to the Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa have been training Ethiopian soldiers in basic infantry tactics, officer logistics and maintenance since 2003, when the U.S. government identified the East African country as an ally in its global war on terror. Similar training programs are ongoing in Djibouti and Kenya. In Hurso, the so-called military-to-military training has taken on a new urgency in the days following Ethiopia’s incursion into Somalia on behalf of that collapsed nation’s embattled, albeit U.N.-sanctioned, government. “Depending on whether things really kick off, it’s a very real possibility that some of these guys could find themselves using these skills very soon,” said Sgt. 1st Class Bill Flippo, an instructor based at Camp Hurso. “You want to make sure you cover everything thoroughly,” the 27-year-old Winfield, Kan., native said. “The stuff you teach them could result in things working out really good for them, or really bad.” Flippo is one of a handful of instructors here who belong to Company A, 1st Battalion, 16th Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. The instructors, who are three-quarters of the way through a yearlong deployment, are currently training more than three dozen Ethiopian army officers, noncommissioned officers and enlisted from throughout the country. “The majority of these guys are trainers themselves,” said 1st Lt. Ben Daughters, 24, of Chillicothe, Ohio. “The idea is that we train them and they go back and train their own.” Roughly 60 U.S. personnel reside at Hurso, most of them soldiers from the 1st Battalion of the 294th Infantry Regiment of the Guam Army National Guard. The guard unit is now on its third, yearlong rotation in the Horn of Africa, and is scheduled for a fourth. “They love us here because we interact a lot with the locals,” said Chief Warrant Officer 2 Noel Camagaganacan, 40, of Dedeo, Guam. U.S. instructors operate from a very small, fenced compound deep within the Ethiopian Training Academy, which itself encompasses miles of sparse scrub and rocky mountain ranges teaming with wildlife. The barracks and classroom buildings were constructed by the former Soviet Union, a financial and military ally of Ethiopia’s ousted Derg regime. Concrete monuments bearing the communist hammer and sickle can still be found on base. Among the minor diversions available to soldiers here is the feeding of dozens of hawks that circle and swoop over the compound daily. A pastime among the Guam Army National Guardsmen is to toss cooked hamburger patties or fried buffalo wings into the air and watch as the hawks attempt to catch them in their talons or swoop down and grab the chunks of meat that have fallen to the ground. While the trainers at Hurso were not immediately aware of Ethiopia’s plans to wage war on southern Somalia’s Islamist militiamen, they did notice a sudden increase in troops at Hurso, as well as other preparations. It was roughly two weeks ago when soldiers here watched as Soviet-built Hind helicopters belonging to the Ethiopian Defense Forces fired rockets into the mountains on the edges of the camp. “We were wondering, ‘why are they doing that,’ ” Flippo said. “Then a week later the war kicked off.” Horn of Africa mission plays role in war against militants The mission of the Horn of Africa task force is to prevent Islamist militants from establishing a foothold in a region whose widespread poverty, instability and lack of food and water make it a potential breeding ground for terrorists. U.S. policymakers and commanders point to the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen, as well as the fact that the Sudan once played host to Osama bin Laden, as symptoms of the region’s instability. They hope to disrupt militant activities here by strengthening allied governments with military-to-military training and by sowing goodwill among East African nations with well-drilling operations, humanitarian aid missions and civil affairs projects. Like nearly all of those U.S. military personnel who are deployed to the horn, soldiers such as Sgt. 1st Class Bill Flippo, an instructor based at Camp Hurso, and Sgt. John Coleman, 27, of Chicago, knew little of the area or why they were being sent there. “When they told me I was coming here, I thought ‘what the hell’s in Africa,’ ” Flippo said. Now however, the instructors say they find their work very rewarding. “I’m all for drilling wells and building schools, but I feel that what I’m doing now is really helping to fight the war on terror,” Flippo said. “The knowledge we are giving to these soldiers is what they will use if they go fight in Somalia, Eritrea or wherever. On top of that, it’s a lot of fun.” Flippo and Coleman said they were continually impressed by the Ethiopians’ willingness to learn. Both soldiers served in Iraq, where they dealt with what was then called the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps, the precursor to the Iraqi Army, and were frustrated by the experience. Where soldiers in Iraq seemed reluctant to learn or were unmotivated, soldiers in Ethiopia picked up quickly on classroom instruction and relished the opportunity to train in the field. “In Iraq, they don’t have any sense of country,” Coleman said. “Here, it’s different. Ethiopia was never colonized. They fought off the Italians with swords and bows when Italy had tanks and planes. They are very motivated and they are strong. You don’t mess around with Ethiopia.” - Monte Morin source

^the first somali player who makes it in the Prem will be playing for Sheff Utd by next year inshallah (if they stay up) along with a Yemeni brother.

Whenever i meet Mr Goth i will knock him out! I will post the pics on SOL! didnt read the article

CG, lol, what did you post man? something dodgy?

I certainly hope not. I'm no fan of the Transitional Federal Gaal Raac Govnt but somalia does not need more strife. A broad based govnt without warlords and Ethio elfs is what is required.

Since you were the originator of this thread i think its only fitting to hear your take first ya Bashi. What will happen next? Have the ICU left an example for the warlord govnt to follow ie peace, law and order or will old scores be settled on the streets of xamar once the cameras have left by the end of the week?

email me ninyo! I have two word documents with the details of accounts.

^^why do you want to get your money back Rudy? Its called sadaqa ie charity. I cant set up an organisation in this place. It would take forever. It has taken 4 months just to get my work permit (working on tourist visa before that). I will IA send the account details of both organisations via email once you email me first. It is then upto the individual to do what he/she said they would. It would be good to see the faces of those treasury people at the two organisations. I can see him/her ask, who is Rudy in LA

Anyway,,,,,,,,,, I have two weeks before the 10km run. I will email the details this wee IA so dig deep people. Training is near non existent (nomads dont need to train for a 10km run) E-mail is sponsor-a-brother@hotmail.com Silent readers welcome, i have had a great response so far so please all those who feel they can add to the life/education of someone less fortunate please contribute. Gaal raacs not welcome!

I would be happy but for the warlords and gaal raacs controlling it as per the thoughts of most Somalis. I'm not disullusioned (sp) into thinking everything is ok as long one entity control it. Recognised or not. Again you fail to answer my question. How much influence with the Ethios have within the TFG? Who will pay for Ethios military operations? Prediction, you will come back with more 'you are against TFG because you is SLder'

Duke, again you have masterfully side stepped the question by refering to my 'stance'. Predictable as always.

Duke, i focused on the Ethios being in charge of the TFG, do you dispute this is the case? Do you dispute the Ethios will have a big say in what goes on in Somalia/Somaliland? I know you are smarter than that

^^ Jump and how high will be the TFG's motto. Do you really, really, really think the Ethios will simply go back and not pull the strings? All the money spent on the military this week will be taken from UN aid money for the people who have experienced a drought and floods in the same year! To simply construct a road will need the permission of the Ethios. But i guess you dont mind that ey,,,,,,,realism realism

Originally posted by Dabshid: 2 and half. yeah,they may extend as they wish,Geddi and Yusuf can not be trusted. Somaliland may join if they see peace and prosperity in the rest of SOmalia...for now to stay away, the have a point. I am dissappointed though that they didnt mediate between ICU and TFG,they coudl have done something,instead watching kill each other! May ALlah unite Somalia. Dabshidow, you know the Ethios pull the strings. Even if this was proposed by SL the Ethios would have said NO and Riyaale would follow. I personally dont think the TFG will make SL a priority as Ethios like things as they are. Who knows what Riyaale has been promised by them? The general elections in 2008? will be very interesting indeed.

Allamagan, gaal raac me not

Warlord supporters are all the same, they seem to think the warlords have become angles during their exile :rolleyes:

You know who he is,,,